Comic Sans Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Why do you think Oh Girl and Too Young To Die arent in the trilogy? A lot of GDCers told me that Too Young To Die is Carpe DiemAfter seeing that setlist I can say I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanity Loan Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Also, can we quit rehashing old topics? Ex: Too Young to Die, Oh Girl, etc. Also, let's quit posting that huge track listing until we get the track lists for Dos and Tre. The people that have been checking out this thread have seen your lists multiple times and I think we're well versed on the songs that are out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather. Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Completely random thought, but I'm just thinking about how beautiful Amy is, and how the second I get my hands on Dos, it's going to take all my willpower not to jump immediately to Track #12. And I'm excited for Fuck Time and the rest too, but... gah! I could just actually do it, I don't think these are gonna be the kind of albums that you NECESSARILY have to listen to in order, but it's only right the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDirnt Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I also think I'll want to skip tille It's Fuck Time the first time I listen to ¡Dos!. I won't do it, because the more I suffer, the better it gets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comic Sans Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Also, can we quit rehashing old topics? Ex: Too Young to Die, Oh Girl, etc. Also, let's quit posting that huge track listing until we get the track lists for Dos and Tre. The people that have been checking out this thread have seen your lists multiple times and I think we're well versed on the songs that are out there. Ok, I won't post it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtrix Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Completely random thought, but I'm just thinking about how beautiful Amy is, and how the second I get my hands on Dos, it's going to take all my willpower not to jump immediately to Track #12. And I'm excited for Fuck Time and the rest too, but... gah! I could just actually do it, I don't think these are gonna be the kind of albums that you NECESSARILY have to listen to in order, but it's only right the first time. Haha same here. But I'm sure that as soon as we start listening to that album, once it's out, it won't be that hard to listen from front to back because every song will sound so amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 This morning on the drive in to work, the iPod hoarked up the Green Day studio cut of "When It's Time" that was included on the AIOB original cast soundtrack, and (yes, be very afraid! ) it got me thinking about what's coming down the pike in the weeks/months ahead. I think this track in particular contains some important clues about what to expect, for two reasons -- first, it's the only studio recording that the band tracked and released between the completion of 21st Century Breakdown and their start of work on U-D-T, and second, like the trelogy, Rob Cavallo co-produced it. Here's a clip from Youtube if you don't have your AIOB soundtrack handy: [media=] It's a softer-hitting ballad than it appears Oh Love will be, it has only one lead guitar part, and it's built on the band's AI/21stCB-era Gibson-Fender-Leedy-Marshall equipment instead of the vintage-sounding Gretsch gear they're using for the Trilogy. Therefore you still have that "big wall of sound" production quality to it. But even so there are still several important things that distinguish this track from both American Idiot and 21stCB, and that give insight into what I think we're going to hear from Green Day into early next year. First and most importantly, Billie's vocals. Lilting, uplifting, clean, nearly pitch-perfect, and absolutely angelic. The snarkiness you hear in his American Idiot and earlier tracks is simply gone -- and along with it, so is the overproduced tinniness that you hear in the vocal tracks on virtually all of 21stCB. Plain and simple, this is Billie's voice at its absolute best. When It's Time showcases exactly what he can do with that Broadway-tuned voice of his now [Edit: In fact, as "No Rhyme" pointed out below (sorry I don't know your name!), When It's Time was recorded before Billie's big run as St. Jimmy, so he's had additional experience and coaching since then -- thus he may have some other tricks up his sleeve now that he has yet to reveal!]. Anyway, the track proves that he doesn't need any more than a touch of post-production reverb to make it sound just fucking spectacular. We've been speculating about how he's going to sound in the studio now that he's had a few months of Broadway experience (and vocal coaching!) under his belt -- well, this is the best hint I think we're going to get until Oh Love drops on Monday. Next...Mike's bass line floats in and out of the lead guitar again, like it did in band's pre-AI days. I've described this style in other posts as the bass either flirting with or perhaps French-kissing the lead guitar; where it shifts from complementing the lead to rising out of it, tickling your eardrum with a couple seconds of complex chording, and then settling gently into the background again to let the lead guitar carry the melody once more. This style is vividly present in When It's Time -- particularly in the bridge -- and what I can't emphasize enough is that you hear this same style express itself over and over again in most of the trelogy teasers that the band has released. This is Mike's talent used just right -- the bass isn't pushed too hard in the mix, but neither is it ignored like it has been on the past two albums. Most importantly, you hear this same style expressed in what appears to be the fully mixed snippet of the Oh Love bridge that the band dropped in yesterday's trailer. It's exhilarating to hear this again after it all but disappeared in American Idiot and 21stCB. The only thing that I think could make the trelogy even better than it seems it already will be is to get a few kick-ass bass solos from Mike again, a la Longview and Castaway. Finally - the mixing. Simply put, When It's Time isn't overproduced. It still has that big-wall-of-sound quality to it, but I think this is more a product of the equipment being used and Green Day just beginning to step away from their AI/21stCB "go-to" production style. Now that the band is back in Cavallo's good hands again, the cleanliness of the mix and the absence of post-production effects apart from a little reverb is a real significant indicator of the band's forthcoming new sound -- we've heard the exact same kind of clean, overproduction-avoiding production quality in the recent teasers. What will change -- I both hope and expect for the better -- is the addition of Jason White's second guitar track and a signficant tonal change resulting from the band's selection of Gretsch equipment. What I take away from all this is that we ought to be bracing ourselves for something really incredible here. I'm looking forward to finding out Monday if I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtrix Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 What I take away from all this is that we ought to be bracing ourselves for something really incredible here. I'm looking forward to finding out Monday if I'm right. Not only am I looking forward for that as well, I am pretty certain that you are right. Now I am not saying that I am expecting an enormous commercial success, but I am sure that the trelogy will be an amazing experience to listen to for old and new fans for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Rhyme Or Reason Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 First and most importantly, Billie's vocals. Lilting, uplifting, clean, nearly pitch-perfect, and absolutely angelic. The snarkiness you hear in his American Idiot and earlier tracks is simply gone -- and along with it, so is the overproduced tinniness that you hear in the vocal tracks on virtually all of 21stCB. Plain and simple, this is Billie's voice at its absolute best. When It's Time showcases exactly what he can do with that Broadway-tuned voice of his now, and proves that he doesn't need any more than a touch of post-production reverb to make it sound just fucking spectacular. We've been speculating about how he's going to sound in the studio now that he's had a few months of Broadway experience (and vocal coaching!) under his belt -- well, this is the best hint I think we're going to get until Oh Love drops on Monday. [...] What will change -- I hope for the better -- is the addition of Jason White's second guitar track and a signficant tonal quality change resulting from the band's selection of Gretsch equipment. What I take away from all this is that we ought to be bracing ourselves for something really incredible here. I'm looking forward to finding out Monday if I'm right. Your whole post made me more excited for the trelogy again! I especially like the discussion of Billie's vocals (the part I understand best, since I don't quite play any instruments, but I was in choir for 5 years). I can't wait to hear how Billie sings now that he has Broadway experience. What's interesting is that he sounds so good in When It's Time, but that was before he had been St. Jimmy in the musical. That didn't come until September 2010 and early 2011, yet this album came out in April 2010. So if his vocals were already improving when they recorded this in late 2009/early 2010 (I forget when exactly), that means that when he got actually Broadway acting experience, his vocals probably have improved even more! That's really exciting to me! About Jason White playing second guitar part on their albums - I thought the RS article (is that the only one where they really talk about that so far?) only mentioned Jason as rehearsing with them. As far as I could tell, It didn't specify that he recorded any guitar parts for the CDs,, just that he was there rehearsing the songs in general with them. I think that assuming he recorded guitar parts is jumping to conclusions a bit. He might have, but it could have been Billie who recorded the other guitar parts (like in their past albums). I don't think we know yet. But we do know Jason will be touring with them Regardless, I'm really excited for these new albums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwise Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 About Jason White playing second guitar part on their albums - I thought the RS article (is that the only one where they really talk about that so far?) only mentioned Jason as rehearsing with them. As far as I could tell, It didn't specify that he recorded any guitar parts for the CDs,, just that he was there rehearsing the songs in general with them. I think that assuming he recorded guitar parts is jumping to conclusions a bit. He might have, but it could have been Billie who recorded the other guitar parts (like in their past albums). I don't think we know yet. But we do know Jason will be touring with them Regardless, I'm really excited for these new albums! That's true, Rolling Stone said that he had been rehearsing with them for the entire year before recording. Then they also went on to say that most songs were drums, bass and two guitar parts. People took this and started thinking Jason was recording the second guitar part, even though Billie Joe had recorded both rhythm and lead for every previous album. I don't mind either way, but there was never any confirmation that Jason actually recorded on this album, or that he's an official member. There's been rumors of that ever since he started playing with the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Not only am I looking forward for that as well, I am pretty certain that you are right. Now I am not saying that I am expecting an enormous commercial success, but I am sure that the trelogy will be an amazing experience to listen to for old and new fans for sure! Commercial success of a rock, punk rock, or pop-punk-rock album (whatever you want to call the genre) at a time when pop culture seems drawn to drama-infected, minimally-talented pairs of autotuned tits overlaid on stupid lyrics and a mind-numbing beat may be too much to ask for. It all depends on whether Green Day winds up bringing something to the table that shakes this pop music culture's foundations while being exactly what that culture needs right now but didn't know it was looking for. That's what broke them through in Dookie and what broke them through again with American Idiot. That's also what gave us Hootie & The Blowfish back in the mid-90's. God knows what pop music is looking for right now, and I think the only way to find out is to let the trelogy drop and wait a year or two to see how it's received. They might have another breakthrough success, they might not, but one thing's certain: they're not holding back anything with this and they're in the best position they can be to make another commercial success from it. So - Getting some quality rock & roll out of Green Day and another multi-year, kick-ass tour seems quite doable! The rest I suppose is in the hands of fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesobxfan2296 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I wonder if we should expect a U.S. tour after iUno! comes out. I've also been thinking, could the New Orleans show on October 27th could be the kick off show for a potential U.S. tour this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindsay Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Damn, Michael. You never fail to word things perfectly. After that breakdown of When It's Time I'm even more excited to hear Oh Love on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 That's true, Rolling Stone said that he had been rehearsing with them for the entire year before recording. Then they also went on to say that most songs were drums, bass and two guitar parts. People took this and started thinking Jason was recording the second guitar part, even though Billie Joe had recorded both rhythm and lead for every previous album. I don't mind either way, but there was never any confirmation that Jason actually recorded on this album, or that he's an official member. There's been rumors of that ever since he started playing with the band. The article specifically notes that "Green Day, with second guitarist Jason White, arranged and rehearsed the new songs...". While it's possible that Billie recorded both lead and rhythm guitar parts, it's also possible that Jason actually recorded them. We might find out for sure when Oh Love drops on Monday, and if not then, then when iUno! is released in September. I suppose anything can happen with this, but the fact is that Green Day simply sounds at their best when Jason is in the mix, and not only the four of them but Rob (Cavallo) has got to be aware of this now. To the extent that the band is pushing their horizons outward yet again, my money's on Jason actually having recorded for the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Rhyme Or Reason Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 The article specifically notes that "Green Day, with second guitarist Jason White, arranged and rehearsed the new songs...". While it's possible that Billie recorded both lead and rhythm guitar parts, it's also possible that Jason actually recorded them. We might find out for sure when Oh Love drops on Monday, and if not then, then when iUno! is released in September. I suppose anything can happen with this, but my money's on Jason actually having recorded for the album. That's what I was saying. Jason rehearsed the songs with Green Day. It doesn't necessarily mean he recorded the other guitar parts, since Billie is perfectly capable of doing that too. Also, I read that as being Green Day the trio plus their second (touring) guitarist, not as GD with their new 4th member the second guitarist. But it's worded kind of ambiguously, so I don't know. But since the three albums have each of the members of GD, it would seem mean not include Jason in the fun. This is kind of rehashing the debate about whether Jason is or isn't in the band, but it seems relevant. Green Day usually records all of their own music on CDs, but obviously live performance require the extra touring members, and Jason is instrumental as the second guitarist. So it's necessary to rehearse with him. But that's just so they all know they songs and can reproduce them live. It doesn't mean the recordings necessarily. My money is on Billie recording the other guitar parts, but either way, we'll find out soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwise Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 The article specifically notes that "Green Day, with second guitarist Jason White, arranged and rehearsed the new songs...". While it's possible that Billie recorded both lead and rhythm guitar parts, it's also possible that Jason actually recorded them. We might find out for sure when Oh Love drops on Monday, and if not then, then when iUno! is released in September. I suppose anything can happen with this, but the fact is that Green Day simply sounds at their best when Jason is in the mix, and not only the four of them but Rob (Cavallo) has got to be aware of this now. To the extent that the band is pushing their horizons outward yet again, my money's on Jason actually having recorded for the album. That would be pretty cool, and this is the most involved he's ever been in the album process, which is cool. I don't think the quality would shift greatly if it was Jason recording anyways, as I think they're both on the same level ability wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenjoc Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 This was just uploaded, it's after their interview with one of the South American tv shows he was talking about the interview today, and the interview will be aired soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtrix Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 The article specifically notes that "Green Day, with second guitarist Jason White, arranged and rehearsed the new songs...". While it's possible that Billie recorded both lead and rhythm guitar parts, it's also possible that Jason actually recorded them. We might find out for sure when Oh Love drops on Monday, and if not then, then when iUno! is released in September. I suppose anything can happen with this, but the fact is that Green Day simply sounds at their best when Jason is in the mix, and not only the four of them but Rob (Cavallo) has got to be aware of this now. To the extent that the band is pushing their horizons outward yet again, my money's on Jason actually having recorded for the album. As far as I remember, this is the first time it is being mentioned that Jason was actually in the process of arranging the new songs. With previous albums this was never said about Jason. I know you have said this many times before that you believe that Jason was a part of the recording process, and every time I read it I was like "I highly doubt that Jason actually recorded some guitat parts.". But now that I am actually fully thinking this through and re-reading that quote several times, it would almost seem unlikely that he would help in the process of creating the songs but not ending up recording his part for the songs. Besides the fact that it would be quite logical that he is much more involved this time around, I am sure it also helped to fasten the recording process. After all they recorded over 40 songs. I don't mean to say that Billie wouldn't be able to accomplish all the guitar parts on his own, but maybe it kept him on a clear focus for several guitar parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJedi Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 apparently @ClaudioTelehit talked about his interview with Green Day on his channel today.. you can read some things he said here: https://www.facebook.com/GreenDayLIVEonTour/posts/10151048850113961 I'm reaaaallllllly wondering how the rap will sound xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 But since the three albums have each of the members of GD, it would seem mean not include Jason in the fun. Someone else (can't remember who) suggested a Shenanigans-like B-sides/rarities comp called iCuatro! with Jason White's DIY'd face on the cover. That would be fucking amazing. As far as I remember, this is the first time it is being mentioned that Jason was actually in the process of arranging the new songs. With previous albums this was never said about Jason. I know you have said this many times before that you believe that Jason was a part of the recording process, and every time I read it I was like "I highly doubt that Jason actually recorded some guitat parts.". But now that I am actually fully thinking this through and re-reading that quote several times, it would almost seem unlikely that he would help in the process of creating the songs but not ending up recording his part for the songs. Besides the fact that it would be quite logical that he is much more involved this time around, I am sure it also helped to fasten the recording process. After all they recorded over 40 songs. I don't mean to say that Billie wouldn't be able to accomplish all the guitar parts on his own, but maybe it kept him on a clear focus for several guitar parts. The photo that got tweeted out of one of yesterday's press sessions included only Billie, Mike, and Tre along with the interviewer, so I suppose that might be taken as a hint that Jason still won't get more than a credit in the liner notes. Regardless of his "official" status he certainly had a much bigger role in this production than he's ever had before, and his work will be reflected in the trelogy's quality whether or not he actually recorded one of the guitar parts. What's certain now is that he's a lot more than just another touring musician as far as Green Day is concerned. What's still ambiguous is whether Green Day is a threesome or a foursome. Guess we'll know for sure in September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingContradictionPL Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Forum needs a new neon pink skin. That is all. No :angry Every color, but not pink. Better neon green from the background. from a Jason Freese interview In recent interview to Rolling Stone, Rob Cavallo said That They Do not hear a gazillion parts on the music for One!, Dos! and Tré!, and That the Majority of this is drums, bass, two guitars and vocals. So, can we expect your collaboration on the trilogy albums as well? What about the tour, are you still in? Yes, I'm still in. We are rehearsing in California right now and it's sounding great! We are really excited about the new albums! The production is very minimal. It is kind of a back to basics album. Just pure kick ass! It sounds amazing! Minimum of production... My dream will come true on Monday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather. Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Found an example of Lady Cobra's rapping.... I hate this kind of stuff, but I have no idea how Green Day uses her on the album, so I'll wait... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAhqqkfOGwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redline punk Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 sep,25 is coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtrix Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Found an example of Lady Cobra's rapping.... I hate this kind of stuff, but I have no idea how Green Day uses her on the album, so I'll wait... I'm just thinking of the song Let Them Eat War by Bad Religion, which also had rap in it. Which sounded really good because it fit the song perfectly. I think Green Day got that kind of connection with the rap as well. Might be just a short part in a song. I don't think it will be something that will bother us a lot. We might even like it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Found an example of Lady Cobra's rapping.... I hate this kind of stuff, but I have no idea how Green Day uses her on the album, so I'll wait... If they use it to add some fill effect to Fuck Time, I think we're gonna have a hell of a party! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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