sara_gd Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I understand your concerns, definitely. And you dislike Christian's Inferno, so you're okay by me But... You raise two separate fears there: 1) that the albums won't be a consistent piece of work, and 2) that the songs won't be as deep and meaningful as you'd like. On the first point, I suppose that would depend on how you feel about Nimrod, right? Because that's probably their most varied work to date, while lacking the linear storyline of American Idiot and (to a lesser extent) 21st Century Breakdown. Nimrod had a bunch of different styles on it, but never felt like anything but an 'album'. These three guys recorded the songs at the same time in the same studio, so there was still a sense of it being one piece of work, regardless of anything else. Like I originally said, if you compare them directly to the preceding two albums, they will fail. But the only way to judge any piece of art is against the artist's own intentions. If Green Day aren't trying to write another rock opera, Uno Dos and Tre shouldn't be judged against that standard. They're trying to do something new. As for your second comment, I suspect your distaste for the band's early songs comes down to professionalism rather than subject. If you practice anything, you get better at it, and Green Day have been practicing their craft for 23 years now. On average, they can write a better song now than when they wrote 'At the Library'. They continue to write love songs, but 'Letterbomb' is a clearly a more fleshed out, thought-provoking love song than 'The One I Want'. Similarly, 'Jesus of Suburbia' more profoundly explores the issue of frustration and isolation than 'Longview'. Even if these albums represent a return to less political themes, the resulting songs will undoubtedly be richer than the ones you immediately think to compare them to. What I'm saying is: don't worry. These albums won't be perfect, but I do think they will represent the marriage of the two halves of Green Day - the personal subject matter of the early songs, with the professionalism and vision of their latter work. Naturally, that will manifest itself in a 9 minute reprise of 'It's Fuck Time' to finish the trilogy I feel that way about Nimrod too, and it's my second favourite album (after AI). The songs are so different and there's not a story line or anything, but they all make sense together. Yeah, that's true about the songwritting. But still, I love the music in Stray Heart, but have you listened to the lyrics to it?... You could say that "I'm where I belong, without a home" is a quite interesting lyric, but there's nothing else to think about in that song. Even a simple song like Last night on earth makes you evoke someone sleeping by the fire under a moon, a man walking through a long track... Idk, I just find it more interesting, and the music matches perfectly /off topic. So... I still have hope for the rest of the lyrics and for that "marriage" that you talk about And anyway, I know I'll like it anyhow Haha, a 9 minute fuck time would be cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sara_gd Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I'm not picking up Stray Cats in it -- I guess there's a slice of Rockabilly influence in it, I can hear a bit of that, but it's definitely not up-tempo swing. Even *that* would be going out on a limb for Green Day. What I *am* hearing, though, is a real presence of Mike's bass in the mix again. That is SO wonderful to hear again and I'm full of squee over it. Yes! That's what I most liked about the trailer actually! (Besides the cover ) Problem with judging from this mix of the track is that it's in relatively low quality and not very wide sounding. I'm guessing it's just a demo mix and Mike's bass will be silenced slightly in the final thing. I hope not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedestrian Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I actually thought it sounded pretty polished. I think they’d use a ready mixed track for the trailer really. From what I’ve gathered though, nothing from the secret shows sounded like the song on the trailer. They were all simple power chords, but this seems far more complex. Do you reckon all the songs will have been majorly reworked since we last heard them? I kind of hope so, because a whole album in the style of the trailer would be really fresh and different and seriously awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtrix Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I actually thought it sounded pretty polished. I think they’d use a ready mixed track for the trailer really. From what I’ve gathered though, nothing from the secret shows sounded like the song on the trailer. They were all simple power chords, but this seems far more complex. Do you reckon all the songs will have been majorly reworked since we last heard them? I kind of hope so, because a whole album in the style of the trailer would be really fresh and different and seriously awesome. It's a possibility that Uno will be more familiar Green Day and Dos more experimental Green Day. And god knows what Tre will bring. I am kind of expecting a different theme per album. I'm not hoping, just expecting. But eventually I am fine with anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blond-O-Sonic Shimmer Trap Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I actually thought it sounded pretty polished. I think they’d use a ready mixed track for the trailer really. From what I’ve gathered though, nothing from the secret shows sounded like the song on the trailer. They were all simple power chords, but this seems far more complex. Do you reckon all the songs will have been majorly reworked since we last heard them? I kind of hope so, because a whole album in the style of the trailer would be really fresh and different and seriously awesome. I think it will end up that the tracklisting for the three of them will be arbitrary, and that the "project" for lack of a better word is just the fact that they have a good 35-40 songs that they want to release so they've spread them out over 3 releases, I don't really think there's a theme to each album or anything. Obviously within that number of songs I am also hoping that there are different styles in there. 21st Century Breakdown touched on a number of different styles and the diversity is what rescues it from being bogged down by the themes and concept behind it. We get great songs like Last Night On Earth, Peacemaker and Viva La Gloria? from them infusing the Green Day sound into other genres of music. With these records I'm thinking that we will get at least 20 songs that are classic Green Day. 3 minute catchy pop-punk. It's the rest of the tracks, the more experimental (that term always makes me think of prog-rock) that IMO will define how good the records are in comparison to the rest of their records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beejeezee Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Dont think you have been doing anything but over-analysing everything That's the idiot way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaniluau Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I just went through the last 20+ pages of this thread. It's been fascinating to read everyone's different feelings and interpretations of the trilogy. I became a hardcore fan at about this point in 21st Century Breakdown's release, so I feel like I've finally come full circle. With the artwork and a roster of probable album songs, Uno, Dos, and Tre are finally seeming real. I wondered what direction the group would take after 21CB's grandiosity, and I'm certainly not disappointed with the turn into unruly rock and roll territory! This band is one that has always defied categorization, and the trilogy - the silly artwork, the audacity of including It's Fuck Time, and the sheer craziness of releasing three albums - is a perfect way to throw everyone for a loop, just when they thought they had Green Day figured out. Rock on, boys! No, that's the worst thing! I'll have to get used to new lyrics after being used to the lyrics from the version I have on my iPod Every time I hear a different version from the one that's on my iPod, I get so distraught with confusion. But at least a studio version will be definitive...assuming they don't go back to haphazardly making up different lyrics at every show. i don't think that mike will sing on dos and tré on Tré because billie joe is the singer of green day. why should they change that? If they mix it up at all, I'd like to see them do something like the Replacements' song Hootenanny. Having everyone switch instruments for a song could be loads of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley! Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 If they mix it up at all, I'd like to see them do something like the Replacements' song Hootenanny. Having everyone switch instruments for a song could be loads of fun. I think it would be really cool if they all switched instruments. It would definitely be different! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraedonHorbacio Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I'm sure a whole bunch of Green day songs were written as jokes or for the sake of writing a country song or something ridiculous just for fun. THEN they eventually turn into something else that they end up using. The only difference with "It's Fuck Time" is that we know where it came from, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwood Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Problem with judging from this mix of the track is that it's in relatively low quality and not very wide sounding. I'm guessing it's just a demo mix and Mike's bass will be silenced slightly in the final thing. Problem with judging from this mix of the track is that it's in relatively low quality and not very wide sounding. I'm guessing it's just a demo mix and Mike's bass will be silenced slightly in the final thing. You thought the sound of the track in the trailer was low quality? If you ask me, that recording was pretty high quality. In addition, keep in mind that Jingletown’s live room has a different ambience to it than Ocean Way’s main live room, so the instruments recorded in the live room—particularly the drums—are going to have a different feel to them. If the tracks are mixed too loud, then listening fatigue occurs—which is exactly what happened with '21st Century Breakdown.' However, I believe the sound levels of the last record were more the result of Butch Vig's preferences, as this same problem did not occur on the other two Green Day records Chris Lord-Alge mixed. In regards to Mike Dirnt’s bass playing, the bass is creating the main riff of the song in the trailer, so it's going to be front and center in the mix, not to mention the fact that Billie is using the amp's clean channel, thus allowing the bass to be sound more present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwood Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I agree with the above sentiments. I want more Mike in these recordings. The preview gives me a hard on because of the nice thump from the bass, I hope there's more where that came from. Listened to some early Green Day the other day (Dookie and Nimrod) and was reminded just how awesome Mike's bass lines were. He definitely needs to be heard more than he was in the last two albums. I agree with the above sentiments. I want more Mike in these recordings. The preview gives me a hard on because of the nice thump from the bass, I hope there's more where that came from. Listened to some early Green Day the other day (Dookie and Nimrod) and was reminded just how awesome Mike's bass lines were. He definitely needs to be heard more than he was in the last two albums. Based on the live recordings I have heard, there appears to a bass solo in the middle of Nuclear Family before the guitar solo. I would not be surprised if that particular song is UNO's opening track, and based on the whiteboard in the video, that appears to be the band's intention. Because these songs are looser than the songs on AI and 21CB and have a more rock and roll feel to them, it gives Dirnt the opportunity to play more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritz Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I'm a little late in the discussion, but I wanna say that Mike's bass is awesome. He has written great basslines earlier in Dookie, Nimrod but I didn't like the way he was silenced in 21CB. I'm just hoping the bass comes out good in Uno ! or maybe it will be better in Dos. I'm just hoping ! Bass is my favorite sound, it always has been. And Green Day is the one of the bands I have known so far that gives importance to bass too. The bands that I've listened to so far don't give that much importance to bass. For them, bassist is a guy who stands in the background and just plays some notes repeatedly. This thinking sucks, cos many people in India believe that and I mean many good musicians speak that way for a bassist. So I hope Mike is given full freedom to explore his bass in the Trilogy cos that would be so awesome ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterv Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 A nice, bass sound, another reason Stray Heart should be on one of the album. Granted, it's the only new song I've allowed myself to really listen to, but I love that song and I constantly catch myself "mumbling" the bass intro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 And god knows what Tre will bring. Whips, chains, fuzzy dice, powdered sugar donuts, another ex-wife, and a lettuce-stuffed pipe. Perhaps a live octopus as well. This is Tre we're talking about, after all. I think it would be really cool if they all switched instruments. It would definitely be different! Mike's singing has definitely improved over the last few years, and we all know that Billie can hold a drumbeat and Tre can play guitar. Sky's the limit if you ask me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Because these songs are looser than the songs on AI and 21CB and have a more rock and roll feel to them, it gives Dirnt the opportunity to play more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanity Loan Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 You thought the sound of the track in the trailer was low quality? If you ask me, that recording was pretty high quality. In addition, keep in mind that Jingletown’s live room has a different ambience to it than Ocean Way’s main live room, so the instruments recorded in the live room—particularly the drums—are going to have a different feel to them. If the tracks are mixed too loud, then listening fatigue occurs—which is exactly what happened with '21st Century Breakdown.' However, I believe the sound levels of the last record were more the result of Butch Vig's preferences, as this same problem did not occur on the other two Green Day records Chris Lord-Alge mixed. In regards to Mike Dirnt’s bass playing, the bass is creating the main riff of the song in the trailer, so it's going to be front and center in the mix, not to mention the fact that Billie is using the amp's clean channel, thus allowing the bass to be sound more present. Compressed as hell due to YouTube is what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie, get your gun Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 A nice, bass sound, another reason Stray Heart should be on one of the album. Granted, it's the only new song I've allowed myself to really listen to, but I love that song and I constantly catch myself "mumbling" the bass intro. Totally THIS! ^ I like your sig, btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Splash Time Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I'm beginning to think that the general theme for each album is more to do with the lyrics being about the band member on that cover's life. For example, the songs on Uno would be more about Billie. Also, it would be interesting if they made It's Fuck Time a single. It's not exactly radio friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbycat1596 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I'm beginning to think that the general theme for each album is more to do with the lyrics being about the band member on that cover's life. For example, the songs on Uno would be more about Billie. Also, it would be interesting if they made It's Fuck Time a single. It's not exactly radio friendly. Interesting theory. I've wondered if each one will highlight that person's instrument. I also agree with the thought about It's Fuck Time as a single. I doubt many non-Green Day fans would want a song like that on the radio and there's probably no way to really clean it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farley drexel hatcher Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I don't know about that theory, I think it might be too soon to read that into it. Plus, as far as we know, Billie writes the songs. We know Mike and Tre have written before, but a whole album of songs each? I think it's a bit too soon to speculate. We don't even know what songs out of that list will even be on Uno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florence Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Also, it would be interesting if they made It's Fuck Time a single. Just imagine the music video for It's Fuck Time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malleus Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I don't know if I like It's Fuck Time being a single. I think it's a good song and stuff but if I wanted to hear Green Day on the radio all the time again there would have to be a way different single choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blond-O-Sonic Shimmer Trap Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Fuck Time would be an inspired choice. I think they need the first single to be as anti-21st Century Breakdown as possible, just to show for people who don't read pre-album hype, aka the people who singles are for, that putting out 3 albums isn't just self indulgence (although it may well be I suppose we won't know till we've heard all three) especially following a 70 minute 3 part concept album. Something to shake up the public perception I suppose. Which Fuck Time definitely would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritz Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Check out the Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Love your love of Bass. Also check out queen, especially songs written by Deacon. Thanks, and Yeah I love RHCP and Queen The bass on Rage Against The Machine is cool too P.S. I'm a bassist ! So, yeah I love bass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtrix Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Fuck Time would be an inspired choice. I think they need the first single to be as anti-21st Century Breakdown as possible, just to show for people who don't read pre-album hype, aka the people who singles are for, that putting out 3 albums isn't just self indulgence (although it may well be I suppose we won't know till we've heard all three) especially following a 70 minute 3 part concept album. Something to shake up the public perception I suppose. Which Fuck Time definitely would. I'm sure they will have more potential singles on the new album that are far away from 21CB. I don't think Fuck Time would be the ultimate single to start with to make a statement or something like that. What really would be a stunt is if they would play Fuck Time during the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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