The Trilogy Albums: ¡Uno!, ¡Dos!, and ¡Tré!

[sara_gd]

It's almost certainly true that the trilogy is an attempt to do something purposefully 'different' from before. If this were the 90s, and they had the same volume of material, I think we'd be getting Nimrod. Individually, there is little chance of any of these new records being Green Day's best. None of them are going to be as precisely honed as American Idiot, certainly. They're throwing (nearly) everything at the wall to see what sticks, which is going to have consequences for the final product.

That said, I prefer to think of it this way: we're getting 30+ songs. Plausibly, a handful of them are going to be mediocre. Maybe one or two you're really not going to like. That's okay. Because when all is said and done, you're going to be getting 15 superb tracks. Another 6 or 7 you like a lot. As a cohesive statement, the trilogy is going to fall down. As a final count of memorable Green Day songs, I think we're going to be even more blessed than usual.

Is it better to release albums that are as 'perfect' as you can make them? Albums that will still feel momentous in decades to come? Maybe. But Green Day have already done that. They've done their rock operas, and their perfect pop-punk records like Dookie. They've sung about religion, war and fundamentalism. They've written odes to a lost generation and to lost loves. Now is their time to fuck and party. We don't need another 21st Century Breakdown, because we already have 21st Century Breakdown. Not every album The Clash put out was London Calling, but Sandinista! didn't somehow take away from those big records. If anything, it enhanced them because it showed The Clash as a band of versatility and invention, not repetition.

This is Green Day's Sandinista!, and I couldn't be more excited.

That's exactly what I fear, that they're not albums "as a whole", that you may not like a song but it stills completes somehow the album (for example, I don't really like Christian's inferno, but you couldn't go from Before the Lobotomy to Last night on earth without it). I don't enjoy the idea of having some songs that I like spread through 3 albums instead of 3 consistent albums. And what's wrong with thinking this? Everyone's going against the people who think like this by saying "they're going for a new direction and that's good". Of course it's good, I'm not trying to make them change their minds, but my opinion is that if they go for that certain change (making songs instead of albums) I wouldn't like the idea. That's it.

As for the content in songs, someone (Matt I think?) said a few days ago that he was in a point in his life where everything had to be deep and serious, and now it was time to party. It might be that I'm going through that phase, but as much as I love some songs that are just to dance or laugh or whatever, I apreciate that in all these years they've gone for more serious issues. 1039 is one of my favourite albums of them because of the sound, but I soon get bored of the “I love a girl” “I love a girl” “I don't want to grow up” “I love a girl” theme That's what I wouldn't want for these albums. I feel that even if they do songs about love, fucking, and whatever all this “non-deepness” is all about, it would be good if they still had a sense of concern about some other “more important” issues. So let's see how it all works. As I said, I like change, it has always been with them after all, but I'm just hoping that those incredible lyrics specially from Warning-AI-21stCB (that are my personal Green Day favourites) don't just vanish.

[Elena]

Well everyone has their own opinion but I really don't think you can say it was ruined, Seeing as Billie wrote the original then chose to play an acoustic version of the song live. It's not like another artist doing an acoustic cover of the song and ruining it. It was all Green Day.

...and maybe he even wrote that song on an acoustic guitar...didn't Billie even once say that he writes most songs on an acoustic guitar and the later just plays them on an e-guitar? ...so when he plays one of his older punk songs on an acousic guitar now, it might even be similar to the original version when he first played the song...

...anyways...i like both versions: the acoustic ones and the punk rock/e-guitar, bass, drums ones

[Sixtrix]

That's exactly what I fear, that they're not albums "as a whole", that you may not like a song but it stills completes somehow the album (for example, I don't really like Christian's inferno, but you couldn't go from Before the Lobotomy to Last night on earth without it). I don't enjoy the idea of having some songs that I like spread through 3 albums instead of 3 consistent albums. And what's wrong with thinking this? Everyone's going against the people who think like this by saying "they're going for a new direction and that's good". Of course it's good, I'm not trying to make them change their minds, but my opinion is that if they go for that certain change (making songs instead of albums) I wouldn't like the idea. That's it.

As for the content in songs, someone (Matt I think?) said a few days ago that he was in a point in his life where everything had to be deep and serious, and now it was time to party. It might be that I'm going through that phase, but as much as I love some songs that are just to dance or laugh or whatever, I apreciate that in all these years they've gone for more serious issues. 1039 is one of my favourite albums of them because of the sound, but I soon get bored of the “I love a girl” “I love a girl” “I don't want to grow up” “I love a girl” theme That's what I wouldn't want for these albums. I feel that even if they do songs about love, fucking, and whatever all this “non-deepness” is all about, it would be good if they still had a sense of concern about some other “more important” issues. So let's see how it all works. As I said, I like change, it has always been with them after all, but I'm just hoping that those incredible lyrics specially from Warning-AI-21stCB (that are my personal Green Day favourites) don't just vanish.

I understand perfectly what you and PaulS are saying. But it is still very early to make yourself worry this much about the whole thing

Besides, the topics Billie has been writing songs about has varied over the years. In a creative way, even similar topics sound so very different when he puts it in a song. Because in life you change and experience forms you into who you are. So even if Uno has a "I love you" theme going on, it can't be the same as what they did on their early records.

But I do agree that this is a good way of getting yourself surprised when you actually listen to Uno and you think "What the fuck, I did not even expect myself to like this record this much!"

[TaylorKlinke]

random thought but maybe it's fuck time will be different than what we've heard live before...maybe. maybe not. But just a thought.

[DannyDirnt]

Well everyone has their own opinion but I really don't think you can say it was ruined, Seeing as Billie wrote the original then chose to play an acoustic version of the song live. It's not like another artist doing an acoustic cover of the song and ruining it. It was all Green Day.

I don't like the acoustic version because I simply prefer the normal version. For Awesome as F**k I would have used the normal version, that I know they played. One of the things I like about Christie Road is that it's a pretty sad song, but still isn't that slow.

[Cris.]

It's almost certainly true that the trilogy is an attempt to do something purposefully 'different' from before. If this were the 90s, and they had the same volume of material, I think we'd be getting Nimrod. Individually, there is little chance of any of these new records being Green Day's best. None of them are going to be as precisely honed as American Idiot, certainly. They're throwing (nearly) everything at the wall to see what sticks, which is going to have consequences for the final product.

That said, I prefer to think of it this way: we're getting 30+ songs. Plausibly, a handful of them are going to be mediocre. Maybe one or two you're really not going to like. That's okay. Because when all is said and done, you're going to be getting 15 superb tracks. Another 6 or 7 you like a lot. As a cohesive statement, the trilogy is going to fall down. As a final count of memorable Green Day songs, I think we're going to be even more blessed than usual.

Is it better to release albums that are as 'perfect' as you can make them? Albums that will still feel momentous in decades to come? Maybe. But Green Day have already done that. They've done their rock operas, and their perfect pop-punk records like Dookie. They've sung about religion, war and fundamentalism. They've written odes to a lost generation and to lost loves. Now is their time to fuck and party. We don't need another 21st Century Breakdown, because we already have 21st Century Breakdown. Not every album The Clash put out was London Calling, but Sandinista! didn't somehow take away from those big records. If anything, it enhanced them because it showed The Clash as a band of versatility and invention, not repetition.

This is Green Day's Sandinista!, and I couldn't be more excited.

I just needed to quote you to say that I truely enjoyed this post as a speech! It was a very very good speech me thinks

(I'm in a very high level Model UN so for the past 4 weeks I've been practicing public speaking and what not non-stop, so I'm kind of noticing speeches a lot lately)

Anyways, back on topic, I hadn't actually seen it in the way you put it, but I suposse that is very likely what's going to happen, and I don't find anything wrong with that either.

My excpectations for this trilogy is getting three good albums out of which none (at least not individually) is going be one of my favourite Green Day albums, but with an overall epic result. I don't expect for ¡Uno!, ¡Dos! or ¡Tré! to be individually mind blowing, but I do expect that the trilogy will be, and it already kind of is because the project itself (releasing three albums! for fuck's sake) IS mindblowing already and I hope some REALLY amazing songs to come out of this project.

I think we've just been a little spoiled because most of us here really got into Green Day after American Idiot, which is simply an absolutelly epic album. Or maybe someone here finds American Idiot to be a really great album, but the album that does it for them is a different one, whatever floats your boat. But do any of you think ALL of Green Day albums are epic? Are full of great mindblowing songs from the first one and until the very last one? I doubt so. I love Green Day and their music, and there is not a single Green Day album I don't enjoy, they have just just two songs that I can say I don't like, but I think it's a little be to optimistical to hope that their next album will be made entirely out of breathtaking songs, and I think this holds truth either if they're releasing a single album, or three, or thirty.

And in this case in particular I think they're going for the overall effect rather than the song by song, album by album effect. Which is not to say I think the albums will be filled of bad to mediocre songs. If they're releasing this is because they trust the material they have, otherwise I don't think they'd be doing it, same as they didn't release Cigarettes and Valentines.

[Alan86]

Christie Road on Awesome as Fuck was not acoustic. Billie played the first verse and chorus on his own with an electric guitar, the rest of the song is preformed as per the the CD version. At no stage is it acoustic.

[PaulS]

Everyone's going against the people who think like this by saying "they're going for a new direction and that's good". Of course it's good, I'm not trying to make them change their minds, but my opinion is that if they go for that certain change (making songs instead of albums) I wouldn't like the idea. That's it.

As for the content in songs, someone (Matt I think?) said a few days ago that he was in a point in his life where everything had to be deep and serious, and now it was time to party. It might be that I'm going through that phase, but as much as I love some songs that are just to dance or laugh or whatever, I apreciate that in all these years they've gone for more serious issues. 1039 is one of my favourite albums of them because of the sound, but I soon get bored of the “I love a girl” “I love a girl” “I don't want to grow up” “I love a girl” theme That's what I wouldn't want for these albums. I feel that even if they do songs about love, fucking, and whatever all this “non-deepness” is all about, it would be good if they still had a sense of concern about some other “more important” issues. So let's see how it all works.

I understand your concerns, definitely. And you dislike Christian's Inferno, so you're okay by me But...

You raise two separate fears there: 1) that the albums won't be a consistent piece of work, and 2) that the songs won't be as deep and meaningful as you'd like.

On the first point, I suppose that would depend on how you feel about Nimrod, right? Because that's probably their most varied work to date, while lacking the linear storyline of American Idiot and (to a lesser extent) 21st Century Breakdown. Nimrod had a bunch of different styles on it, but never felt like anything but an 'album'. These three guys recorded the songs at the same time in the same studio, so there was still a sense of it being one piece of work, regardless of anything else. Like I originally said, if you compare them directly to the preceding two albums, they will fail. But the only way to judge any piece of art is against the artist's own intentions. If Green Day aren't trying to write another rock opera, Uno Dos and Tre shouldn't be judged against that standard. They're trying to do something new.

As for your second comment, I suspect your distaste for the band's early songs comes down to professionalism rather than subject. If you practice anything, you get better at it, and Green Day have been practicing their craft for 23 years now. On average, they can write a better song now than when they wrote 'At the Library'. They continue to write love songs, but 'Letterbomb' is a clearly a more fleshed out, thought-provoking love song than 'The One I Want'. Similarly, 'Jesus of Suburbia' more profoundly explores the issue of frustration and isolation than 'Longview'. Even if these albums represent a return to less political themes, the resulting songs will undoubtedly be richer than the ones you immediately think to compare them to.

What I'm saying is: don't worry. These albums won't be perfect, but I do think they will represent the marriage of the two halves of Green Day - the personal subject matter of the early songs, with the professionalism and vision of their latter work. Naturally, that will manifest itself in a 9 minute reprise of 'It's Fuck Time' to finish the trilogy

I think we've just been a little spoiled because most of us here really got into Green Day after American Idiot, which is simply an absolutelly epic album.

Interesting! I wonder to what degree the reception to these albums is influenced by what era people got into Green Day. Logically, it would seem to follow that whatever album you first fell in love with will forever be the benchmark for what you consider the quintessential Green Day album. For many, it was American Idiot. For others, it was Dookie. The two albums couldn't be more different, and that is bound to have an effect. Food for thought, anyway.

[bollard_11]

random thought but maybe it's fuck time will be different than what we've heard live before...maybe. maybe not. But just a thought.

Different as in Billie will actually remember the lyrics, and not repeat the same verse twice?

[Annie, get your gun]

random thought but maybe it's fuck time will be different than what we've heard live before...maybe. maybe not. But just a thought.

It should be! After all, it looks like Green Day stole that song from the Foxboro Hot Tubs

[Sanity Loan]

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(I'm a dick)

[Fuzz]

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(I'm a dick)

Pretty sure your post was the most irrelevant thing in the last couple pages.

[Gwen Stacy]

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(I'm a dick)

Thread full of irrelevant content? Dude, what are you talking about?

I like tigers

[spark in the night]

I'm probably the only person on the planet who does NOT like "It's Fuck Time"

[Sanity Loan]

Thread full of irrelevant content? Dude, what are you talking about?

I like tigers

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not

[Clayish]

I'm probably the only person on the planet who does NOT like "It's Fuck Time"

Right there with you mang.

It's a Foxboro song... it was made to be silly and fun.

If it does make the cut, get ready to hear a lot of comments on how stupid this song is or why did they make that song?

[TaylorKlinke]

Right there with you mang.

It's a Foxboro song... it was made to be silly and fun.

If it does make the cut, get ready to hear a lot of comments on how stupid this song is or why did they make that song?

I also agree, I've never been a fan of the thought of it being on this new album(s)...that's why I'm hoping it's somehow a little more...mature? Not sure what the word is. Haha.

[TheJedi]

Right there with you mang.

It's a Foxboro song... it was made to be silly and fun.

If it does make the cut, get ready to hear a lot of comments on how stupid this song is or why did they make that song?

lol i dont think they'll get a lot of bad comments about it. i think people will think it's really funny xD i love that song

[Fuzz]

Not to mention, the song is actually pretty fucking catchy. I think most people would like it.

[Firecracker Lell]

Not to mention, the song is actually pretty fucking catchy. I think most people would like it.

How did ya guys guess it would be Kill the DJ?

Btw, it's a really refreshing & a new sound 8)

[TheJedi]

Not to mention, the song is actually pretty fucking catchy. I think most people would like it.

yeah, it's really catchy! & as we have seen in videos from FBHT shows, it's a good song to play live x)

[Ritz]

Everybody is talking about Its Fuck time so much, I just had to look it up

Oh baby, baby Its Fuck Time ! I love it

[Guest]

The firecracker title that was cut off when they showed the whiteboard, Did anyone say that it was 'Hello Firecracker" yet ? It looks like it to me.

[Katarina.]

The Living End have a "big secret". I know it's not what I think it is, but how awesome (more than that) would it be if Green Day and TLE toured together? Wow. I'm off to dream a bit more now.

[DannyDirnt]

I didn't even know it was possible not to like Fuck Time. The first time I listened to it I thought it was amazing, it blew my mind. I am definitely very happy it made it to the trilogy and I hope it's on ¡Uno! because I wanna hear it as soon as possible. If Mike and Tré sing for ¡Dos! and ¡Tré! in the end, then Fuck Time will probably be on ¡Uno!, but I don't think so.