IscoredWaddlesgoals Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Everytime I read this thread, it gets worse. Personally, if I'd ordered something and either hadn't received it or it was of poor quality, I'd go to Amazon or EBay. I'm assuming the places she's sold things through would have her contact details ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 My best guess about GDATW is that she started a "charity" without having a fucking clue what she was doing in order to get attention from the band. It obviously wasn't completely a scam, because some people got the items they paid for. She certainly seems to have been ill-equipped to handle all the work involved in keeping it running, and that's why there've been so many problems. How that relates to her faking some items, and possibly lying about her military service, I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbey. Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 It is not for anyone here to uncover the truth...whatever that is, as to GDATW. What is important is to get the word out so nobody funnels any money to the organization and gets the word out that they may have been the victim of fraud. Its an unfortunate situation and lets try and protect anyone else from getting hurt. We're better than this and we know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 21, 2011 Author Share Posted November 21, 2011 On 11/21/2011 at 9:15 PM, Abbey. said: It is not for anyone here to uncover the truth...whatever that is, as to GDATW. What is important is to get the word out so nobody funnels any money to the organization and gets the word out that they may have been the victim of fraud. Its an unfortunate situation and lets try and protect anyone else from getting hurt. We're better than this and we know it. That's definitely how I feel about all this, and why we decided on closing the other threads, it wasn't to stop people from talking about it, but to stop promoting the links through here. I'll make sure we put something in each of the opening posts in those threads directing people to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bexie. Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 On 11/21/2011 at 7:27 PM, spark in the night said: When did Dawn go to NYC and get her picture taken with Billie? (along with those youtube videos of her talking to him?) I'm asking because in those pictures/videos, she has really long hair. In the news interview about the airplane, she had short hair. Either she wanted a new hairstyle, or she WAS ill at one point in between these events, but her hair began to grow back I don't know how useful this post is, but it was an observation I had. On 11/21/2011 at 7:35 PM, greendaytone said: Dawn got her profile photo with Billie Joe in October 2010 i believe, on the final day of Billie's first week. She told me she started having chemotherapy about 6 months ago, hence the hair loss. I believe that to be true. Ok so I don't mean to sound horrible but, as this woman has pretty much lied about everything (well, I've come to that conclusion, personally) how can you believe the whole cancer thing?! If she had started her treatment 6months ago, I don't believe she would have been fit enough to fly to NYC to try and get into a Green Day show. Also it wouldn't be hard for her to cut her hair shorter and say that her hairs growing back. Especially as you dont see regular pictures of her. Also do you not think that these reporters wouldve been the first to put about her being in remission or something to do with her cancer in the stories they wrote up about her urinating herself on a plane?! So don't take offence, but some of you sound like youre in denial about the whole situation. It's just an observation but maybe you guys just don't wanna believe someone could do something like this. Especially about the whole military service, that makes me sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 On 11/21/2011 at 9:40 PM, Bexie. said: So don't take offence, but some of you sound like youre in denial about the whole situation. It's just an observation but maybe you guys just don't wanna believe someone could do something like this. No one WANTS to believe anyone could do something like this, because it's completely disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farley drexel hatcher Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 On 11/21/2011 at 9:40 PM, Bexie. said: Ok so I don't mean to sound horrible but, as this woman has pretty much lied about everything (well, I've come to that conclusion, personally) how can you believe the whole cancer thing?! If she had started her treatment 6months ago, I don't believe she would have been fit enough to fly to NYC to try and get into a Green Day show. Also it wouldn't be hard for her to cut her hair shorter and say that her hairs growing back. Especially as you dont see regular pictures of her. Also do you not think that these reporters wouldve been the first to put about her being in remission or something to do with her cancer in the stories they wrote up about her urinating herself on a plane?! So don't take offence, but some of you sound like youre in denial about the whole situation. It's just an observation but maybe you guys just don't wanna believe someone could do something like this. Especially about the whole military service, that makes me sick. Plus to be honest, i'm pretty sure the news websites would have added something about her having cancer into their headlines if it were true. They didn't seem to know a thing about it, and they almost certainly would, i'm sure. She would have definitely told them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancid punk:LTD Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I didn't buy anything, but I get the feeling she did this whole to get close to Green Day and tries to attract attention to herself. If she was wounded while serving my country I thank her, but if it's a big scam to get money and get buddy buddy with GD that's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 A disabled soldier having cancer would have been too easily sensationalized for any media to pass up. There's a reason she didn't mention that. There's also a reason Fox News reported her injury as having taken place at a dentist's office in Texas in 2006. They're absolutely not my news of choice, but they're not dumb enough to print something that is as easily substantiated as that, either. Her previous MOS (military occupational specialty) was listed on her FB page, about a month or two before the AA incident. Google it: 68E, Dental Technician. I completely understand everyone desperately wanting to find some sort of good in this because no one wants to believe they've been taken advantage or made a fool of. I sympathize with Tony a great deal because he shouldn't be made to feel any guilt over supporting what he saw as a worthy cause. I didn't donate any money, but my husband and I did install attic fans in our house on May 28th (as a "green" project). So I participated to that degree. But as soon as I saw that she was trying to raise funds on FB to achieve non-profit tax status, that instantly raised red flags. You don't need to BE an non-profit to DONATE to a non-profit. Just donate directly to the non-profit and skip the middle man. I didn't really take much notice, though, until the American Airlines story came out, and the inconsistencies became glaringly obvious. There are obviously some serious lies involved here - criminal ones - and I doubt very seriously that much of what she has said can be believed at this point. At least I wouldn't believe it until she proves otherwise. People who have told such bold lies are unlikely to tell the truth about less important instances. And for the record, I don't "play law firm." I do that for a living. This is not "fun time" to me. I have only attempted to help people - with absolutely no other motive than I don't like seeing people wronged and I hate liars. The very first person who bought something and received a fake from Dawn was Billie Joe. He bought her story and she gave him a fake Purple Heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IscoredWaddlesgoals Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Out of interest, has anyone got in touch with the band about this ? I'm just thinking they could be interested to know if someone's selling fake merchandise and they might want to put a notice on GD.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancid punk:LTD Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Wait she gave Bille a Purple Heart? can I hear this story? why would you GIVE someone your Purple Heart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oda Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 On 11/21/2011 at 10:05 PM, IscoredWaddlesgoals said: Out of interest, has anyone got in touch with the band about this ? I'm just thinking they could be interested to know if someone's selling fake merchandise and they might want to put a notice on GD.com. Nah i don't think we should get them involved when we still only have one side of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IscoredWaddlesgoals Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 On 11/21/2011 at 10:07 PM, oda said: Nah i don't think we should get them involved when we still only have one side of the story. I don't mean in a ''QUICK ! LET'S TELL ON HER !!'' way, just that I'd personally want to know if someone was faking my signature and selling it to people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 As the person who published Dawn's interview, I feel really weird about all of this. If the interview turns out not to be true, not only was I used, but it also stains my reputation, something that I work at to maintain as a person. If you read the interview, her answers are written verbatim to the questions that I asked, similar to the interviews that are conducted with members of the GDC. As a blogger I'm not a journalist, but I probably should have asked for more proof since her story is fantastical. From what she told me, she became a dental technician after she went to came back from Afghanistan... but at the same time, I originally wrote that she was an Iraqi veteran because that's what she told me and then she told me she was in Afghanistan, not Iraq after I published it. There were red flags for me when I posted the story, but seriously, I don't know anyone who would go to the lengths she did in her interview to say she was injured in war if she wasn't. I tried to verify it through an Army friend, but that information is not available, from what I was told. While I can't apologize for publishing the story since I did and since at the time I believed it to be true (and whether is it or isn't, I, nor anyone else at this point, knows for sure), I do know that at the least, I have been lied to recently in regards to the airplane and funeral story, of which I related to Fallyn and a few others. I don't want to turn this into gossip, so I'll just leave it at that. Truthfully, I am not sure what to believe, especially since some people received their GDATW merchandise while others didn't. When I talked with her during the GD show/airplane fiasco on Facebook, she pleaded with me saying that she would never lie about serving in the military and being injured in Afghanistan and reminded me that about the Purple Heart that she gave to away to certain people at AI. So, like Andres said, since we can't verify information regarding her past, the only thing people can do is report that their GDATW merchandise was never received and try and delve into those issues as layed out in Tony's post. I'm really sorry if my blog post lent credibility in a way that shouldn't have, if this is the case. It was not my intention for that to happen. I just wanted to highlight not only a Green Day fan, but a war veteran as well. That was my only intention, and it will suck if it's not true. Truly, truly, truly, suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greendaytone Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I don't think anyone sees you as responsible for this, Tanya. Like you, many of us tried to get behind this with good intentions, and unfortunately it's blowing up in our faces right now. I believe we can still reach a positive outcome overall with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 21, 2011 Author Share Posted November 21, 2011 On 11/21/2011 at 9:58 PM, Marian said: A disabled soldier having cancer would have been too easily sensationalized for any media to pass up. There's a reason she didn't mention that. There's also a reason Fox News reported her injury as having taken place at a dentist's office in Texas in 2006. They're absolutely not my news of choice, but they're not dumb enough to print something that is as easily substantiated as that, either. Her previous MOS (military occupational specialty) was listed on her FB page, about a month or two before the AA incident. Google it: 68E, Dental Technician. I completely understand everyone desperately wanting to find some sort of good in this because no one wants to believe they've been taken advantage or made a fool of. I sympathize with Tony a great deal because he shouldn't be made to feel any guilt over supporting what he saw as a worthy cause. I didn't donate any money, but my husband and I did install attic fans in our house on May 28th (as a "green" project). So I participated to that degree. But as soon as I saw that she was trying to raise funds on FB to achieve non-profit tax status, that instantly raised red flags. You don't need to BE an non-profit to DONATE to a non-profit. Just donate directly to the non-profit and skip the middle man. I didn't really take much notice, though, until the American Airlines story came out, and the inconsistencies became glaringly obvious. There are obviously some serious lies involved here - criminal ones - and I doubt very seriously that much of what she has said can be believed at this point. At least I wouldn't believe it until she proves otherwise. People who have told such bold lies are unlikely to tell the truth about less important instances. And for the record, I don't "play law firm." I do that for a living. This is not "fun time" to me. I have only attempted to help people - with absolutely no other motive than I don't like seeing people wronged and I hate liars. The very first person who bought something and received a fake from Dawn was Billie Joe. He bought her story and she gave him a fake Purple Heart. I completely support you looking into all discrepancies, but I just don't feel there is benefit in getting a bunch of young people involved, the far majority of which had nothing to do with GDATW. As I told Beth last night, for the people who were wronged and the people who have looked into it, you should all be taking to the authorities about it, people who can actually do something. We at GDA want to help the people who were wronged however we can, if that's trying to get through to Dawn or helping point them in direction of filing a claim - but trying to dig into all the other issues with Dawn doesn't concern most of the people here. Yes, we all agree that her lying about military service is incredibly egregious and people should look into that and talk to whoever needs to be talk to. Like i said earlier, people do deserve to know what's going as it concerns them. Even if Dawn told us her story with false pretense, that doesn't change what the community can do about it. Those of you who feel that something needs to be done should be doing it, not feeling like getting some public support will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Tanya, you don't need to apologise. You interviewed her with no reason to believe she wouldn't be truthful and wrote down what she said in response to your questions. You're not at fault in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oda Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 No one should feel guilty about believing her. She did in fact do some very nice things like giving away tickets and throwing the party in NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather. Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Just a thought for the sake of productivity for those poor FB folks who aren't on GDC but were 'victimized'... could someone who is a member of the FB page perhaps post a link there to GDC for those individuals who may be looking for answers/help getting their items? I know it's not GDC's responsibilities to take on the entire population of scammed fans who aren't even members here, but if most GDCers here weren't duped, and people outside have no guidance, it's up to you guys if you want to help these 'strangers'... and perhaps gain some new members in the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan86 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I don't see why anyone working with GDC/GDA should be feeling guilty about this. If the things above are indeed true, then anyone working with GDC/GDA have been victims too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 On 11/21/2011 at 10:56 PM, Hermione said: Tanya, you don't need to apologise. You interviewed her with no reason to believe she wouldn't be truthful and wrote down what she said in response to your questions. You're not at fault in any way. It just sucks, that's all. On 11/21/2011 at 10:54 PM, greendaytone said: I don't think anyone sees you as responsible for this, Tanya. Like you, many of us tried to get behind this with good intentions, and unfortunately it's blowing up in our faces right now. I believe we can still reach a positive outcome overall with this. I don't feel responsible for it, but I do feel badly. But also as Oda said, she did do some incredible things, like the tickets and the party and those wonderful trophies like the one that sits on my windowsill as well as a few other's windowsills around the world. And even if it was a scam, the GDATW idea is pretty great, despite everything else that may have gone along with it. One of the last times she wrote to me, she said her fellow Green Day fans were like her family. It's just kinda crazy, the entire thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farley drexel hatcher Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I'm kind of curious how Billie reacted to her giving him her purple heart. I don't know anyone awarded with one of those would just give it away like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greendaytone Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Exactly to many of the comments above. It's difficult to understand right now, but i do believe (like Tanya) that GDATW is a great idea and i believe could carry on after all this, if handled correctly. On 11/21/2011 at 11:15 PM, achin said: I'm kind of curious how Billie reacted to her giving him her purple heart. I don't know anyone awarded with one of those would just give it away like that. She said that Billie Joe was really honoured, and said something like he "wanted to swallow it" so it was part of him - that kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farley drexel hatcher Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 On 11/21/2011 at 11:21 PM, greendaytone said: Exactly to many of the comments above. It's difficult to understand right now, but i do believe (like Tanya) that GDATW is a great idea and i believe could carry on after all this, if handled correctly. She said that Billie Joe was really honoured, and said something like he "wanted to swallow it" so it was part of him - that kind of thing. Ooh right, I see. Well, not to accuse anyone but those medals are pretty readily available online to buy. Or replicas, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Yeah the idea of encouraging people to spend a day doing stuff to help the environment/environmental charities once a year is great (and isn't something that's open to scams either). There was never anything dodgy about that aspect of it. It's just the rest of it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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