IscoredWaddlesgoals Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Has she explained (or apologised for) shouting abuse at people going into the Halloween show yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai. Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Me neither, it didn't even cross my mind until now that I reread it and it just struck me and I was like "...fuck" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 Has she explained (or apologised for) shouting abuse at people going into the Halloween show yet ? No. And I honestly don't think we're ever going to get all the answers we want about everything. She stopped posting on GDC a while back, and I don't think she feels compelled to want to get involved with it here. I told her that her lack of communication over the course of the whole charity stuff has probably caused a lot of the questions to come about in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 You know what, what she did was wrong, avoiding us was wrong, but it seems like everything should be settled now. I understand that you're all mad, but honestly, live and let live. Move the fuck on. I've never agreed with this witch hunt, its not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IscoredWaddlesgoals Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 No. And I honestly don't think we're ever going to get all the answers we want about everything. She stopped posting on GDC a while back, and I don't think she feels compelled to want to get involved with it here. I just think that it was a really nasty, spiteful thing to do. And ironic considering she wanted to create something that brought GD fans together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenkc Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 The way the money GDATW raised was donated really rubs me the wrong way. People who had bought all these items for the charity had no idea where their money was going, Dawn just gave other peoples money to whatever charity she wanted without consulting anyone as far as I can tell. Granted I didn't keep up with the event all that much, but I thought all(?) the money was to go to NRDC as it was an environmental day. It is incredibly unprofessional that according to Kat she was to give $2500 to NRDC but ended up giving it to Red Cross instead. I'm not saying it's not a worthy cause, but she can't just change the entire direction of the money just because she felt it was right (or because Billie tweeted about it...), it was not her money to donate wherever she wished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 You know what, what she did was wrong, avoiding us was wrong, but it seems like everything should be settled now. I understand that you're all mad, but honestly, live and let live. Move the fuck on. I've never agreed with this witch hunt, its not worth it. Yeah. Theres only so much we can reasonably do, and thats why the entire time all I've wanted to focus on was the charity stuff because I did think people deserved answers for all that. All the other stuff sucks, but anyone still trying to go after her isn't really accomplishing anything by doing so here. I'll never be in favor of anyone using GDC to go after someone on personal stuff. that's just not what this community is about. People lie, and some people do so more than others. Talking about it does nothing. We just want to give everyone a fair heads up so they avoided sending money and risking getting ripped off, all the other stuff doesn't help protect anyone, it just lays out dirt on someone and i don't like GDC being used for that. Especially in such a public way like this in a dedicated thread. All the concerns about the charity are fair, and that's what this thread is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greendaytone Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Well I never made that connection until now. When I saw it first I chuckled a little bit and then thought nothing of it. Agreed, didn't even cross my mind when i read it the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
November's Storms Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 You know what, what she did was wrong, avoiding us was wrong, but it seems like everything should be settled now. I understand that you're all mad, but honestly, live and let live. Move the fuck on. I've never agreed with this witch hunt, its not worth it. Judging by the amount of posts which earned the "popular" tag and the sheer number of posts in such a short space of time shows just how emotional (whether its anger, disappointment, support etc) people are, its clear that a lot of people feel strongly about this. There is a lot of ill feeling towards Dawn now but I don't think its a witch hunt, any criticism has been based on fact and in my opinion has been justified. I didn't invest any amount of time or money into GDATW, but I can understand why people would want to expose any lies and get to the bottom of this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 Judging by the amount of posts which earned the "popular" tag and the sheer number of posts in such a short space of time shows just how emotional (whether its anger, disappointment, support etc) people are, its clear that a lot of people feel strongly about this. There is a lot of ill feeling towards Dawn now but I don't think its a witch hunt, any criticism has been based on fact and in my opinion has been justified. I didn't invest any amount of time or money into GDATW, but I can understand why people would want to expose any lies and get to the bottom of this mess. Sorry, but very little has been based on fact. It's all been speculation the entire time. The only thing we knew for sure was that she listed some stuff twice, some stuff looked faked, we knew the airline Incident was based in a lie and a handful of people hadn't received their items (only one person since this all started has filed a claim). Those are the actual facts. If things being posted were actually facts I would have not argued with people as much as I did about trying to focus the conversation. People were trying to verify stuff about the military and her medical condition. But no one knows the facts about that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorityME Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 For the sake of clarity, I will post this: I witnessed firsthand how Dawn donated, in the name of GDATW, to Pipeline to a Cure at Cosa Mesa. The check was given to the Pipline representative on site. She, and I, thought it would be a good thing to do, to support a charity that Green Day themselves support. I spent the whole of that evening/night with her, and I have no doubts in my mind that she is very ill. She was on a lot of different medicines at that point, and as far as I could determine, she was indeed on chemotherapy and steroids (cortisone). The latter would explain her weight gain, since it causes you not only to put on normal weight, but also to retain fluids and get a "puffy" face. (This from extensive personal experience in the matter.) And yes, I did study medicine although I'm not working in that field now. I also saw her without a wig, and her hair had fallen out in patches and she had shaved off the rest to maybe half an inch. Dawn told me, and a handful of others, back in February that she had cancer, long before any of us knew about Kyle. I do know what type it is, in detail, and what stage she has told me she's in. None of these are words put in my mouth by Dawn or anyone else. This is what I have witnessed and I hope it can shed some light on some of the issues here. Ps. For you who don't know me, I am Minority Em on Facebook and Twitter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
November's Storms Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Sorry, but very little has been based on fact. It's all been speculation the entire time. The only thing we knew for sure was that she listed some stuff twice, some stuff looked faked, we knew the airline Incident was based in a lie and a handful of people hadn't received their items (only one person since this all started has filed a claim). Those are the actual facts. If things being posted were actually facts I would have not argued with people as much as I did about trying to focus the conversation. People were trying to verify stuff about the military and her medical condition. But no one knows the facts about that yet. Sorry you're right, most things haven't been based on actual fact. But they have not been blind accusations either, anything being said against her have been more than just something plucked out of thin air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 Sorry you're right, most things haven't been based on actual fact. But they have not been blind accusations either, anything being said against her have been more than just something plucked out of thin air. Yeah we agree on that. I don't feel it was baseless, and it was justified concern, but i just didn't feel right about everything going on as it has without us actually knowing the facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarina. Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Thanks Andres for the update. I'm still somewhat skeptical, but I hope that in the next couple of days/weeks more things will be explained/verified. About this event in general: I know Dawn decided a lot of things on her own without really trying to get feedback from us or ask about what we thought. But still, I don't think the event is organized by just one person. In the end it's the regional teams that make the event take place in their city. It'd be great if, with a different name (GDC Day/GD Community Day perhaps, or like was suggested before this year's event took place, Green For A Day!), the event would take place next year. Maybe making a thread here on GDC for it, talking about ideas and logos, flyers etc. first would be a good start, so people know what to work with. Then you can leave it to regional teams. If people want to donate to NRDC for example, they could do that directly. That's my thoughts on it for now, but to think about the possibilities is probably better when it's a few months later, at least next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 Yeah, I'm very interested in starting the project and doing it as part of our site. We'll definitely be talking about it sometime after the new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallorymaloney Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Thanks Andres for the update. I'm still somewhat skeptical, but I hope that in the next couple of days/weeks more things will be explained/verified. About this event in general: I know Dawn decided a lot of things on her own without really trying to get feedback from us or ask about what we thought. But still, I don't think the event is organized by just one person. In the end it's the regional teams that make the event take place in their city. It'd be great if, with a different name (GDC Day/GD Community Day perhaps, or like was suggested before this year's event took place, Green For A Day!), the event would take place next year. Maybe making a thread here on GDC for it, talking about ideas and logo's, flyers etc. first would be a good start, so people know what to work with. Then you can leave it to regional teams. If people want to donate to NRDC for example, they could do that directly. That's my thoughts on it for now, but to think about the possibilities is probably better when it's a few months later, at least next year. I, too, am eager to revamp the whole thing, ((Although, personally, I'd like a lot more emphasis on the celebration of being a Green Day fan, with just a hint of the 'yay let's save the world' bit, as a nod to the original creators of the idea,)) But not so soon. It'd be rather classless, not to mention fruitless, to try and start things up again right now. Edit: W00t, Andres agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Judging by the amount of posts which earned the "popular" tag and the sheer number of posts in such a short space of time shows just how emotional (whether its anger, disappointment, support etc) people are, its clear that a lot of people feel strongly about this. There is a lot of ill feeling towards Dawn now but I don't think its a witch hunt, any criticism has been based on fact and in my opinion has been justified. I didn't invest any amount of time or money into GDATW, but I can understand why people would want to expose any lies and get to the bottom of this mess. A lot of people are just venting about a shitty situation, but a handful of people are also making far-out claims that they don't have real evidence to support. Anyways, this community isn't about hating on people, its about bringing everyone together. I'm not trying to dispute the fact that what Dawn did was wrong and that a lot of it was probably done with ill intent, but I'm just saying that its time to put the swords to rest. People are getting off on rashing on her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 A lot of people are just venting about a shitty situation, but a handful of people are also making far-out claims that they don't have real evidence to support. Anyways, this community isn't about hating on people, its about bringing everyone together. I'm not trying to dispute the fact that what Dawn did was wrong and that a lot of it was probably done with ill intent, but I'm just saying that its time to put the swords to rest. People are getting off on rashing on her. I'm curious to know what far-out claims you're referring to because I haven't seen any in this thread. All the claims I've seen have been reasonable and backed up with a fair amount of evidence (and where evidence is lacking people have been quick to say they're not sure and that they want to find out more before they draw conclusions). If any of the accusations are false then they're over things that would be easy for Dawn to explain or prove if she was telling the truth about them - she's free to do that and hopefully she will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justcause Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 K, this may be more appropriate to a new thread about stuff we decide to do together, but I have some thoughts about it now, so here goes. Any endeavor should start with principles - like, why are you doing this? As regards 'showing appreciation' to Green Day, I think that comes naturally with buying their records and coming together at their shows to celebrate with them. It comes with giving Billie Joe a 'hey-oh', for however millionth time he asks for it - it comes from just giving of ourselves in that moment, together. We can do other stuff that reinforces us as a community - giving advice and comfort when it's asked for, talking to each other, sharing our love of the music, contributing to this forum. As regards stuff like the environment, I think do it because you believe in it, not because it's something Green Day's involved with. I think, don't trade on their name, do it for its own sake and ask anyone who's like-minded to come with you if that's what they want to do. Be true. Don't offer prizes or accolades, because doing what you believe in doesn't require any of that. Be pure. Green Day's fucking great, but they're not - nor do I think they would ever want to be - some kind of altar at which to bring our offerings. That notion disrespects both us and them. Let us inspire each other and support each other, have fun together, and most of all, fucking rock out together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 I'm curious to know what far-out claims you're referring to because I haven't seen any in this thread. All the claims I've seen have been reasonable and backed up with a fair amount of evidence (and where evidence is lacking people have been quick to say they're not sure and that they want to find out more before they draw conclusions). If any of the accusations are false then they're over things that would be easy for Dawn to explain or prove if she was telling the truth about them - she's free to do that and hopefully she will. People claimed that she said she had cancer only after we found out about Kyle. People claimed she was "ripping everyone off" while in reality it appears only a handful people were affected by not getting the stuff they ordered. We also still don't know about the other charity situations and where the money came from and went, but that doesn't mean we start accusing of ripping everyone off. Those are pretty far-out accusations with no real proof, just assumptions. Any of these accusations could have been or could still be true. But we've never allowed that kind of stuff to be posted here before. I can make accusations about someone because that's what is making sense to me, that doesn't mean it's fair for me to go on a public forum and make the claims without actually being able to prove it. People claimed she wasn't in the hospital and everyone took that as the truth when we actually couldn't confirm that. As far as we knew she wasnt in the hospital, but no one (or few) paid attention to the qualifiers in that statement. People deserve to know the truth. I dont honestly feel like we're closer to that because of all the accusations made early on. Clearly we thought something fishy was going on, thats why we closed the other charity auctions thread. That's why I made this thread warning people something was up, and that's why I told people to file a claim if they hadn't recieved their items and that we shouldn't promote it anymore. No one will convince that the 10 pages of people coming up with the worst scenarios and making accusations about what happened actually helped protect anyone or helped figure out the details. And when anyone questioned the people who were making accusations, we got bitched out and some went so far to suggest via PM that I was actively trying to cover something up. A lot of shit came out in this thread. Even if it's all true, I would hate to think that this is what this community felt was the best way to handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaniluau Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 This thread has been fascinating to follow for the past few days. I stayed away from GDATW from the start, partly because the planning seemed weak and partly because I was short on both time and interest. As the weeks progressed, I raised my eyebrows more than a few times. Though some things were sketchy, I couldn't tell which aspects of the story were genuine and which were a scam. It seems like the community has reached a consensus that Dawn lied on several accounts. When someone breaks trust like that, it can't be recovered, no matter how many documents the offender digs out from old boxes. Regardless of where the truth lies, Dawn won't be able to convince our whole forum of her innocence. Having said that, it's been interesting to see GDC, as a family, rebound from this whole catastrophe. It speaks bounds the mod team cared to reach out to the rest of the forum, even though GDATW was not a GDA-controlled event. In light of all that's happened, a day when we get together to celebrate the band we adore will be even more special and meaningful next year. I can't wait to be part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desensitized09 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Just putting in my two cents. I wish I was a skilled writer so I could throw out some inspirational knowledge like many have done so before me to raise hopes in our community. I too have been impressed by the coming together of the members on this site to stick together and try to find answers. Whether or not accusations were the best way to discover them, I do not know, but I don't think that really matters at this point. I just think it's interesting to see how even one member of the community can make such a huge impact on everyone else here. It shows how much people really care about others on here and how much the mods really watch over everything. Many on here were hurt, and that truly sucks, but it's kind of awesome to see how if even just a few people were hurt, many come to their aid to try and remedy the situation. That's something I truly love and adore about this site and the members on here. Trust was lost, but something else was discovered.. or at least that's what I noticed while following this thread for the past week. Trust was found in others, such as other members, our mods, etc. Also, a lot of light was shed on the subject of GDATW. It was a good idea, and I was so impressed by so many people wanting to participate and by those who actually did participate. I agree with the statements above mine. This was a great thought, but was not put together in the best way. One person trying to handle everything was overwhelming. Also, just as was said, if we wanted to do something for the environment, it should be either on our own time because we want to contribute on our own accord, or it should be a very well thought out, and well planned event. Green Day fans are constantly showing the band how much we care and I know it makes them happy to hear how much they inspire us. I think the only thing that got really out of hand were the prizes and the ebay/amazon sales. A lot of gossip was found in this thread and I'm not sure how to feel about it. I don't understand what people are more upset about: the ebay/amazon sales, or the fact that Dawn lied? Either way, it's all upsetting, but I don't think that any of it was devastating. Just hurtful. No one likes being lied to, especially by anyone who we put a lot of trust into. I like how this is a community that doesn't take lies lightly because this is supposed to be a place where we can all truly be ourselves and lies about who we are do not need to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aura Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Hi all, i dont come here often, but i have been reading this post of it all going on, i have not ever been involved in anyway with this Green Day across the world, but i do have many friends who did get involved, and know people involved, alot of my fb friends have also commented on this thread, i have made many many very good trustworthy online friends, & i just wanna say good luck to who is involved, i hope this does get resolved, and people get thier items and monies back,.. Trust is a huge issue with online financial things, i never usually get involved when it comes to money, as at the end of the day, do you really know anyone?.. This has proved just how careful we do need to be with online financial things, just always be Cautious, even with Reputable companies things happen, so it isnt just who to trust but what, in any online financial case. Again, Good Luck to everyone involved, This is very Sad, and an awful thing to have to mis trust a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 New thread to help give information to anyone who has issues with GDATW http://www.greendayc...ross-the-world/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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