Issues with GDATW

[DoodleBob]

Question:

So according to Kat's review, Dawn is not in the hospital for attempted suiside like someone previously stated. Correct?

[ScatteredPictures]

Well, I didn't read the whole thread yet so...

I have one of those Items, too. So, in fact I did get my Wake Me Up When September Ends single with Give Me Novacaine from VH1 Storytellers vinyl with a signature from Billie Joe. I had to wait a really long time but I got it. I was pretty happy about it and everything and I noticed that I even got some pictures, postcards, and whatsoever with it. But nothing that confirmed the authenticity of the signature. The amazon page said: " COMES WITH A SPECIAL CERTIFICATE THATS BEEN STAMPED WITH SEAL OF VALIDATION ON THE CERTIFICATE " I didn't get such thing. And also I'm not sure if the signature is real. I'm actually pretty sure it's fake. Here's the link to my item if anyone cares: http://www.amazon.com/AUTOGRAPHED-SEPTEMBER-NOVOCAINE-AUTOGRAPH-AUTHENTICATED/dp/B00553LMBS/ref=sr_1_34?ie=UTF8&m=A2FY1Q1XSV8I0L&s=generic&qid=1315146679&sr=1-34

I find it interesting, too that theres only one picture showing the unsigned side of the vinyl. Maybe at that point I should have said: It's to risky. I dont buy it.

I was a bit sceptical about the signature before this thread but I thought real Green Day fans would never do this...

[Zia]

I didn't have time to read the whole topic but I think got the point now.

If anyone recalls, I was arranging GDATW almost from the beginning and I admit that I had certain doubts about some things.

Finland's meeting went well though. One of us won something and there were some (well, lots of) difficulties to get the price. I'd still like to thank Tony - who we sent e-mail when we didn't hear anything from dawn - for helping so much thanks, tone!

btw is there a thread for GDATW 2012? If not, are people still interested in making this a tradition? I haven't been here in a while and I'm totally out of clue :D

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

btw is there a thread for GDATW 2012? If not, are people still interested in making this a tradition? I haven't been here in a while and I'm totally out of clue :D

I'd love for GDATW or a day like it would be continued. I think it should have a different name though, as GDATW now has a stain on its name. Have it be open to interpretation for each country/group.

(I suggest Green for a Day doesn't have to be connected to the environment, you can also interpret it as Green Day day)

But to answer your question, no, there isn't a thread (and I don't think now would be the best time to make one).

[**nobodylikesyou**]

Well, I didn't read the whole thread yet so...

I have one of those Items, too. So, in fact I did get my Wake Me Up When September Ends single with Give Me Novacaine from VH1 Storytellers vinyl with a signature from Billie Joe. I had to wait a really long time but I got it. I was pretty happy about it and everything and I noticed that I even got some pictures, postcards, and whatsoever with it. But nothing that confirmed the authenticity of the signature. The amazon page said: " COMES WITH A SPECIAL CERTIFICATE THATS BEEN STAMPED WITH SEAL OF VALIDATION ON THE CERTIFICATE " I didn't get such thing. And also I'm not sure if the signature is real. I'm actually pretty sure it's fake. Here's the link to my item if anyone cares: http://www.amazon.co...5146679&sr=1-34

I find it interesting, too that theres only one picture showing the unsigned side of the vinyl. Maybe at that point I should have said: It's to risky. I dont buy it.

I was a bit sceptical about the signature before this thread but I thought real Green Day fans would never do this...

lets see the pic of the one you got in the mail with the sigs

[Marian]

Kat, I don't know you, but feel very sorry for you and everyone else involved with this woman. Her reputation is a total loss now (at least it appears that way in this community), but it's sad to see other people go down with her. If you really are "Switzerland," I'd ask you to really take a look at the facts as they've been presented and ask yourself what you really believe. Not what you WANT to believe, but what is actually believable to a reasonable person. It's very sad to me that you feel compelled to be her voice on this forum, when she is evidently reading it as well as making phone calls to you and others. She most certainly can and should speak for herself.

I don't think her lousy excuses really deserve any more attention or time from the good people in this community - who are the overwhelming majority as evidenced by this thread. But out of respect for and, quite frankly, feeling insulted on behalf of people who I love and admire who are real veterans, have made real sacrifices, and people who have and who are *really* dying of cancer, I'm going to post the following:

I have been trying to get these prizes for a month or more but due to her health I have not seen them. When I DO get them, I will ship them out. I asked via fb for people to send me their mailing addresses as Im not on gdc much.

As for her health, Dawn DOES have cancer. No I have not seen the xrays, but I have seen pictures of her after chemo where she lost almost all of her hair except some stragglers. I saw the pictures as it started to grow in. I was in the room when she put on her wigs. I have seen the battle scars, medications, etc. She had surgery last week to remove tumors from her liver which have been discovered as non-tumorous. No, she is not in either hospital someone was looking for her at. Not all people have drastic weight loss after chemo depending on what hormones or drugs you are also on at the time. I dont know any of what she is taking, but know chemo is different for everyone.

I thought she was in a mental hospital? Which is it? Liver surgery or suicide? And you know, I've run across several people in my life who, when backed into a corner with no way out of a fat stack of lies, start screaming they'll kill themselves so people will back off. That's why jails have suicide watch cells. To that I say, people who are really suicidal just do it. They don't call other people crying about it. That's just a plea for attention, and that has quite obviously been Dawn's goal in this whole situation. I think the attention thing backfired when she didn't think the American Airlines thing through all the way beforehand. She got everyone's attention then, but not in the way she'd hoped.

And what kind of cancer does Dawn have? Has she told you? What stage is it in? Where is she in the hospital? I'm assuming this would be the other invisible military hospital near Ft. Hood or maybe another magical place that accepts Tricare or VA health insurance. If she's really a disabled vet, she's insured with Tricare and they pay Medicare rates. No private practice oncologist would accept that when she could be seen at the VA or Army hospitals. I know, because my husband is also a veteran, and before we had private health insurance, we had to go to the VA. By the way, who is her oncologist? Most people with terminal cancer are practically on a familial-level with their doctor.

Dawn has accepted responsibility for the airline thing and only she and her traveling companion know what truly happened. People should just leave it at that. I know the incident does not show her in a favorable light, but she did what she did for her reasons and her reasons only.

My best guess at this is that American Airlines has obtained an injunction against her speaking about the incident any further. Corporate lawyers are bulldogs and will go for blood. It's speculation, but I'd think that's why all the social media accounts disappeared at the same time. That, or she's gotten a threat of a lawsuit from them. Like I said, it's a guess - but I think it's a pretty good one.

When one receives a purple heart, they are given the medal and a purple ribbon as well as a certificate or letter. Something like that. Billie was given the ribbon as yes, that part is replaceable. The medal portion is not. I could be wrong, but I think in the purple heart database, the recipient needs to request to be added. People arent automatically added to it, but I could be wrong.

She was injured overseas, but what put her in a wheelchair was due to botched surgery from that injury. Yes she was a dental tech, but dont most people in service also have some sort of other duty or job they can perform when not performing military activities? Sort of like those that clean latrines or cook, couldnt she possibly have been a dental tech there and then done that full time while in Texas?

All I can say is PLEASE.

Really?

I'm glad that Dawn basically repeated verbatim to you what I posted a couple of pages ago about what soldiers receive when they are decorated. And no, she's quite wrong. The medal is perfectly replaceable. My grandfather's was destroyed in a house fire and it was replaced. People buy replacements every day. What you can't replace is an authentic DD214 showing which medals you are authorized to wear - and that's a DD214 coming from the archives, not from Dawn's Photoshop. I'd like to see a copy of hers. Where is that, by the way? They're public record under the Freedom of Information Act, and I'm sure Fox News requested one either before or after they ran her story. Everyone knows Fox loves a good soldier worship story. If she'd be so kind as to sign her name to this form, we could have a copy sent to you, and you could scan and post it for us. I won't hold my breath on that, though. Since she hasn't signed a check to NRDC or even bothered to message people about things they've paid for but not received, I doubt any real validation of her story is likely to take place.

Could we see a picture of her Purple Heart certificate? Or even a picture of HER in Afghanistan... or Iraq. I don't know anyone who has been deployed who hasn't come back with pictures of that.

Where is her combat Unit patch on her uniform? I don't know of a single soldier who's seen a deployment who would be seen without that on. I have a very good friend who graduated from West Point, class of '03, and who was actually deployed twice - once to Iraq and once to Afghanistan. He's out now, but I sent him a link to Dawn's interview, and this is what he had to say:

"VERY IMPORTANT: SHE IS NOT WEARING A COMBAT UNIT PATCH ON HER RIGHT SHOULDER UNDER THE AMERICAN FLAG. Combat patches are a religion in the Army. If I was going to put on my uniform again, I can guarantee that my combat patch would be on the right shoulder sleeve. Basically it's the unit patch of any unit you have been to combat with. A bare right sleeve is a sign to other soldiers that you ain't shit and that you have not seen a deployment. You want to tell people that you have been to war. Why doesn't she have that on?"

"Another weird thing. She is not wearing her rank on her ACU cap....There really isn't a reason why she wouldn't have her rank on her soft cap. If she was deployed, she would have worn the soft cap around the FOB when not on duty or patrol. No rank means that someone would have homed in on her ass to ask why she had no rank on her soft cap.

Very weird.

On a non-provable note, she has the look of one of my Mom's ER patients trying to get pain-killers. So strange here."

The database I referred to was not the Purple Heart database, but the database kept of all US casualties in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. There are ZERO casualties listed in either place on the date Dawn gave in her interview. I doubt very seriously someone would get that date wrong, seeing as it has such a tremendous significance - and it would be noted on their Purple Heart certificate, as well.

And no, your MOS is your job. You don't have a "day job" and a "war job." What you are in the military is what you do - whether stateside or deployed. If she were deployed as Dental Technician, her job would have been cleaning people's teeth, not going "on routine patrol." Even if we went so far as to give her the benefit of the doubt that she actually was a combat medic (and I don't, but for the sake of argument...), it's highly unlikely that she would have been on "routine patrol" with a combat arms unit. That's what male combat medics are for. Females still aren't allowed in combat arms positions in the US military. This has been emphasized by both my husband (who was combat arms, 19D - Cavalry Scout, and then a scout sniper) and our friend who is currently a full-bird Colonel in Army JAG Reserve.

All that to say - her story is insulting to people who have seen real action, who have really been injured, and who have given up their lives fighting overseas. It cheapens those sacrifices, and I take exception to it for them.

Where it is now... Dawn is in a hospital recovering from surgery which was lapraoscopic and not major incisicions. When she heals enough to go home, she will. She is not on facebook or twitter and changed phones due to nasty comments she personally received, as well as reading things that others who did not know her speculated about and said. Her family cut her off from internet connections while she heals so she can focus on that instead of all of this. She does have a phone now but only a few people know her number. I told Tony I would explain best I could what I know but it's hard to not give personal opinion about all of it.

Again, she told Fallyn's friend that she's in a mental hospital? I guess that is one that also specializes in laparoscopic surguries??

GDATW will move forward whether with a different name, new date, whatever. As long as Dawn is well enough, I will fly down there to see her, get any items that not have been mailed, help with the non-profit status, etc. But she has to be WELL enough to do that. Yes she started forming the non-profit status with a lawyer who led her astray, but now there is a new company that that's all they deal with is setting up new non profits.

Money was donated to the Red Cross and Cystic Fibrosis Foundation (at the Costa Mesa Show). I dont think money has gone to the NRDC yet. There is money locked in a couple accounts because she used ebay and amazon claiming non profit and charity, but when not providing the certificate, the funds were locked. The reason for wanting this status was to not pay the huge ebay and paypal fees which would give more to charity. Ebay had caps for personal accounts on how much you could sell a month so that's why the names changed.

Going out on another limb here, but I'm wondering if the "non-profit" status was just an attempt to avoid paying taxes off of all the money she was making planned to "donate." There are quite a few of us Green Day fans who have experience and knowledge with the legal system. I'd be willing to bet that she could have gotten this non-profit status for free - especially if she'd just done the paperwork herself. It's not that big of a deal. But then again, I still don't see the necessity of being a non-profit to donate to a non-profit. How about just ask people to donate to NRDC in honor of Green Day? Most charities give space on donations to the money to be in honor or memory of one.

As for now, and I will post on fb later after Thanksgiving perhaps, but please cancel all of your items via amazon if you can. She asked me to relay that message. I dont know how old the paypal auctions are, but for now maybe do that too if you can. more....

So cancel what you can. WHEN she is well enough, I will most likely fly down to gather the items as I dont think I can make much sense of it if it all drops on my doorstep. I will do my best to get people the items they were promised. **I** cannot promise anything except that I will be as open and honest as I can. Feel free to ask questions but dont know how much I will be on the next couple of days. But I WILL answer.

Good luck to you on that. I hope Dawn gets well, too. And I hope above all, that the people who have been wronged here get answers, apologies, and refunds, and that Dawn can be a big girl and issue all of the above - herself, and not through another hapless victim.

[Fuzz]

Where is she in the hospital? I'm assuming this would be the other invisible military hospital near Ft. Hood or maybe another magical place that accepts Tricare or VA health insurance. If she's really a disabled vet, she's insured with Tricare and they pay Medicare rates. No private practice oncologist would accept that when she could be seen at the VA or Army hospitals. I know, because my husband is also a veteran, and before we had private health insurance, we had to go to the VA. By the way, who is her oncologist? Most people with terminal cancer are practically on a familial-level with their doctor.

I'd just like to point out to Kat that if she can, she should try and confirm any details that Dawn gives her, but she shouldn't be passing that info around here. If she's really in the hospital and someone can confirm that, then she has a right to privacy about who's treating her and where.

[gloria123]

well i just managed to file a claim with amazon about it and they returned my money, so i'd say if anyone didn't receive their thing from amazon to do the same.

[peanutgallery]

I will address more concerns later but yes I know where she is as I called the hospital myself when I couldn't get a hold of her. I understand everyones anger but she will NOT be on here to defend herself for at least a week or two. She had surgery and is on mental watch. She is prepared to dig out all her military paperwork when she gets home. Like I said, I don't have hard facts either and can't clarify the issues like the airlines or purple heart. And some of what I said was my opinion, not what she said to me.

So what is this thread now hoping to accomplish? People are angry. They want the truth. They want resolution. So do I as I don't know what to think either. She lied, misled, misspent money, and has ruined herself and she has to live with that. Of she comes on here to explain things, will any of you believe her? I don't think so. She will explain things and then what.... More of the ugliness that is on this thread?

Call me duped, stupid, naive, whatever... But I will still try helping everyone out, and also being a support to dawn as best I can until this whole situation is resolved. Only then will I decide what to and what not to believe. If me having these titles helps people get their stuff and be at peace, so be it.

[Marian]

She is prepared to dig out all her military paperwork when she gets home. Like I said, I don't have hard facts either and can't clarify the issues like the airlines or purple heart. And some of what I said was my opinion, not what she said to me.

Hopefully those weren't in the same box in her garage as the pictures from the club in Tampa from 1991.

[Fuzz]

Hopefully those weren't in the same box in her garage as the pictures from the club in Tampa from 1991.

Your snark is not helpful. Leave it out of here.

[bollard_11]

Does anyone really think Dawn will reply to this thread though? Alot of this thread seems to be full of accusations and some personal attacks. Albeit unintentional but I believe it could prove to be quite intimidating to post.

Not defending or anything. Innocent until proven guilty I say

[Bundita]

Dawn sent me an email on Halloween saying this:

"My daughter is going to mail Kat all the Green Day stuff and awards there is so much of it & will costs a lot to mail to her so please be patient u will receive as soon as we can get too u. dont worry about it, kat will send you the idiot award trophy u deserve to get it and be patient im still sick so plz wait for the trophy to come to u

Sent from my Blackberry"

I haven't recieved it yet though.

Also, if you google the some of the names of the items listed for sale, you can find images of them unsigned from different websites, like this one: http://www.technodis...-1000-hours.jpg...

[**nobodylikesyou**]

Does anyone really think Dawn will reply to this thread though? Alot of this thread seems to be full of accusations and some personal attacks. Albeit unintentional but I believe it could prove to be quite intimidating to post.

Not defending or anything. Innocent until proven guilty I say

all she would need to post to validate her services, her illness and her contributions is to post pictures of her in Afghanistan, purple heart papers, contribution receipts, hospital release papers. This is all stuff she should have if this isn't all false.

Personal attacks I suppose is one way to look at it, but I feel a lot of people who just blew their concerns off or kept them to themselves, realized things they wouldn't have if they weren't able to discuss it here. Even if she produces the papers to prove the above discrepancies, it still won't account for why she lied about the pictures in her garage, or her mother's death etc.

[Fuzz]

I'm not expecting Dawn to post here, and to be honest, even if she does, I don't think it will do much because everyone is already skeptical about what she has to say. I'm just hoping people can recover any money they sent, and if anything, I'd like for her to show people what amount of money went to charity (with proof). Whether she does that directly or through someone, all that's important is that the issues are resolved and people can get some kind of closure of everything.

all she would need to post to validate her services, her illness and her contributions is to posst pictures of her in Afghanistan, purple heart papers, contribution receipts, hospital release papers. This is all stuff she should have if this is all false.

Personal attacks I suppose is one way to look at it, but I feel a lot of people who just blew their concerns off or kept them to themselves, realized things they wouldn't have if they weren't able to discuss it here. Even if she produces the papers to prove the above discrepancies, it still won't account for why she lied about the pictures in her garage, or her mother's death etc.

I'm glad you're concerned about her military service, but that still doesn't matter to the issues the community has with her. If all that stuff turns out to be a lie, it's still not something that will help address any concerns people who have given money or are still expecting items.

[**nobodylikesyou**]

I'm not expecting Dawn to post here, and to be honest, even if she does, I don't think it will do much because everyone is already skeptical about what she has to say. I'm just hoping people can recover any money they sent, and if anything, I'd like for her to show people what amount of money went to charity (with proof). Whether she does that directly or through someone, all that's important is that the issues are resolved and people can get some kind of closure of everything.

I'm glad you're concerned about her military service, but that still doesn't matter to the issues the community has with her. If all that stuff turns out to be a lie, it's still not something that will help address any concerns people who have given money or are still expecting items.

What I am concerned about is the truth. About all of it.

[farley drexel hatcher]

I'm not expecting Dawn to post here, and to be honest, even if she does, I don't think it will do much because everyone is already skeptical about what she has to say. I'm just hoping people can recover any money they sent, and if anything, I'd like for her to show people what amount of money went to charity (with proof). Whether she does that directly or through someone, all that's important is that the issues are resolved and people can get some kind of closure of everything.

I'm glad you're concerned about her military service, but that still doesn't matter to the issues the community has with her. If all that stuff turns out to be a lie, it's still not something that will help address any concerns people who have given money or are still expecting items.

The concerns regarding the military service thing are quite valid, I think. Maybe not in a sense where money has gone astray, but it's still a lie, and to a lot of people. People who thought she was their friend. And telling people you were injured, made wheelchair bound, in a war, is a big lie, if it turns out to be false. It's what got her close to the band. It's just not something you make up, and the only reason you would make it up is for attention, which she got.

That's if it's false, obviously.

[Fuzz]

What I am concerned about is the truth. About all of it.

Go be concerned about her personal life somewhere else.

[captain peroxide]

I think there's a loss that people here are feeling on two levels. One level is the loss of money, where the solution is pretty simple (refunds, filing claims, etc). The other level is a loss of trust. If it turns out that Dawn lied, she lied to our entire community, multiple times. That's a pretty big deal, and even if it's not as pressing as people resolving their money issues, it's still certainly of importance.

Go be concerned about her personal life somewhere else.

See, that's not really fair, because we were drawn into her personal life. This wasn't something she kept on the back-burner. She was telling everyone she met, including the band we all know and love, things that are potentially entirely false. It's not like we're snooping around in her personal affairs, trying to find ways to prove she's a bad person. She pretty much did that on her own. We were all led to believe plenty of things that are allegedly completely untrue, and it's not fair to tell people who want some kind of closure from that to go somewhere else.

[**nobodylikesyou**]

Go be concerned about her personal life somewhere else.

Read Lorraine or Alex's posts above to see why this concerns people. As I said earlier your concern about people getting their money back may or may not be the concerns of other forum members, it would be nice if you would quit acting like yours is the only important one here.

Your snark is not helpful. Leave it out of here.

and quit acting like its not ok to be sarcastic on GDC. Jesus Christ.

[Fuzz]

I think there's a loss that people here are feeling on two levels. One level is the loss of money, where the solution is pretty simple (refunds, filing claims, etc). The other level is a loss of trust. If it turns out that Dawn lied, she lied to our entire community, multiple times. That's a pretty big deal, and even if it's not as pressing as people resolving their money issues, it's still certainly of importance.

See, that's not really fair, because we were drawn into her personal life. This wasn't something she kept on the back-burner. She was telling everyone she met, including the band we all know and love, things that are potentially entirely false. It's not like we're snooping around in her personal affairs, trying to find ways to prove she's a bad person. She pretty much did that on her own. We were all led to believe plenty of things that are allegedly completely untrue, and it's not fair to tell people who want some kind of closure from that to go somewhere else.

Not even two weeks ago you were telling people how mob-mentality hurt someone you knew because they all came to conclusions that she explained to you as untrue. You also wanted to bring someone back, Maya, who also lied to the community and the team decided at the time not to make a big announcement about everything she lied about because it was mainly personal, and we didn't feel that doing so would do anything to help the community. Now you're on the other side and you think this is fair.

Yeah, what do I know. It's not like I've ever seen a situation like this before.

[captain peroxide]

Not even two weeks ago you were telling people how mob-mentality hurt someone you knew because they all came to conclusions that she explained to you as untrue. You also wanted to bring someone back, Maya, who also lied to the community and the team decided at the time not to make a big announcement about everything she lied about because it was mainly personal, and we didn't feel that doing so would do anything to help the community. Now you're on the other side and you think this is fair.

Yeah, what do I know. It's not like I've ever seen a situation like this before.

Quit getting pissy. Can you have a civil discussion about this without getting angry at me?

I hardly think the situation with Erendy is comparable to this one, but fair enough. You'll notice I haven't passed any judgement on Dawn, and have been saying things like "allegedly untrue" and giving Kat (or Dawn, should she ever post) a chance to offer an explanation for all the holes in her story. I wasn't on the team when Maya did what she did, and if I had been, I may well have argued the exact same thing I'm arguing now. I really can't say for sure, because I wasn't there.

My point is, people have been lied to and hurt, and lost both money and trust. I think they deserve some kind of closure for both those things, and as long as this thread doesn't become wild speculation (which it hasn't), a witch-hunt (which it hasn't), or a Dawn-bashing extravaganza (which it hasn't), I don't see anything wrong with people wanting to find out the truth about her claims.

[greendaytone]

I think people want answers to everything. To stifle the conversation seems unfair, but at the same time i'd urge people now to focus more on what we can do to resolve the situation as best we can. We could go on for pages and pages about all the holes in the stories. It's obvious to everyone here now that there is so much wrong with how this turned out.

I don't know what more we can achieve without the person themselves revealing it. I'm devastated it's come to this, but i think it's time to stop second guessing everything and move on to some extent. Move on to saving this undoubtedly good cause, which is now in pieces.

[Tripe]

I have to agree with Alex and Beth here...her personal life, military history, and medical issues were pointedly shared, even shoved into the faces of, this community. She used those issues to garner support for her cause. So, when most of that stuff turns out to be probably false....it should be fair game for discussion. There are hurt feelings and anger at being manipulated, along with lost money and lost items. I think people have been pretty calm in discussion and mature on this thread for the most part.

A little snarkiness shouldn't be censured. I know Marian feels very angry about the probably falsified military record we all believed. She's married to a veteran and I imagine that makes her far angrier than most of the rest of us. To me, it absolutely cheapens the sacrifice so many real veterans gave. It sickens me and I'm not even in the military or related to anyone who was in it.

All that aside, I think most of what needs to be said has probably been said. I can't think of a single potential lie that hasn't been questioned at this point. Now, we wait to see what she has to say. Or not. I doubt very much she will come on this thread.

I hope the event can be saved. The idea, as envisioned by the originators was great! Even turning it into something environmental is good. But the name should be changed and Dawn Wilcox should not be permitted to have any part in it.

[captain peroxide]

All that said, I think most of what needs to be said has probably been said. I can't think of a single potential lie that hasn't been questioned at this point. Now, we wait to see what she has to say. Or not. I doubt very much she will come on this thread.

Pretty much. I don't think there's any more to say unless some other kind of explanation is given.