koolkev Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 This is a little weird..... I just hope this gets worked out, and that everyone gets their "Stuff". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Kr93s Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/02/disabled-vet-says-was-forced-to-sit-in-urine-soaked-clothing-after-flight/ Ahh ok! Thanks a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai. Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 That bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 That bitch. And we're all being respectful and not turning this into a shit show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IscoredWaddlesgoals Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/02/disabled-vet-says-was-forced-to-sit-in-urine-soaked-clothing-after-flight/ Bloody hell that's terrible. I was ready to give her the benefit of doubt until I read that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bexie. Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 First off. I'm not trying to shit stir. I am merely trying to bring some facts to light. There are some links below that have some comments attached to them that are quite interesting. I shall say no more. I'll leave it to yourselves to make your own opinions on this matter. http://www.armywtfmoments.com/disabled-soldier-sat-in-urine-soaked-wheelchair In this set of comments there are some genuine concerns raised about numerous things, especially by the person who used to work with her. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/dawn-wilcox-disabled-vete_n_1069197.html And this one has quite a few opinions about her story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 21, 2011 Author Share Posted November 21, 2011 That's all the personal stuff that I don't think we need to focus on. What's important to me is that if anyone really was ripped off, that we help them sort it out. I understand the concerns raised about Dawn's situation, and all fair concerns, but I honestly don't want those to become the focus of what we're trying to do right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oda Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I though she got injured in Afghanistan when her car hit a road bomb or something. According to some of the comments she never went outside the US? I don't know what to believe anymore. Didn't she get interviewed on someone's blog where she told her story a while ago? EDIT: Sorry, just saw Andres' comment. I'll shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metanoia Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Ok so I do NOT know enough about what exactly was all this about to make any adjudgement about Dawn so I'm gonna keep my mouth shut about that. Neither did I attend GDATW (mostly because I didn't have the time to do so) and neither did I order/win anything, so I'm not harmed in any way. Yet, if any of you remember, there was also this GDATW collaboration movie project (which was said to belong to the project and seemed just as reliable) going on, where people could sent in videos talking about how Green Day affected their lives and all, that was supposed to be released on may 28th as well. I sent in a video and so did a few others, and even though we kept asking about it, we never got any updates about it and about what happened with the videos....apparently we don't even know if that project ever got done and now that we don't know anything anymore I'm really suspicious about it! So does anyone know more about THAT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bexie. Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 So I compleltely understand where you are coming from Andres. But do you not think that these people deserve to know what sort of person she is. Especially as some of the people on this forum have helped her out and have thought of her as a friend. The person behind the 'scam' surely has as much to do with the actual scam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 21, 2011 Author Share Posted November 21, 2011 So I compleltely understand where you are coming from Andres. But do you not think that these people deserve to know what sort of person she is. Especially as some of the people on this forum have helped her out and have thought of her as a friend. The person behind the 'scam' surely has as much to do with the actual scam. As I said, these are all completely valid concerns, and I don't mean to seem like asking people not to talk about something important. But I also don't want us to be part of people organizing and getting their pitchforks when we don't have all the facts. Yes, there's definitely some screwy stuff going on, but what I'm actually concerned about at this point is not promoting the event any further, and helping anyone directly affected. That's what's important to me, that's what I want to focus on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 It would be my recommendation to people who purchased things on eBay or Amazon and did not receive those items to contact the Killeen, Texas (seller's location) Sheriff's Department or the Bell County Texas District Attorney ( www.bellcountytx.com/da/home.htm ) and report it as theft. If you have paid for something that was not delivered and tried to contact the seller to no avail, there's no other term for it. You should also report it to Paypal, eBay and or/Amazon, but since these purchases are likely outside of their 30-day window of protection, they won't be able to help you much (nor will you be able to get your money back from them). Although most of these amounts may be quite small, enough reports of the same thing will raise eyebrows to the District Attorney's office. I'm sure they could and would pursue multiple charges of the Texas equivalent of Theft under $500, which is a misdemeanor in most states. If you do decide to do this, be sure to have all of your facts correct (date of purchase, amount of purchase, proof of such, etc.) lined up before calling and don't waste their time. Don't go into great detail about it being Green Day merchandise, the drama around GDATW, and unnecessary info when making your report, but be sure to provide any pertinent information. Law enforcement officers tend to disregard people who they feel like are only whining or wasting their time. It would also be helpful to have Dawn's address when you call so that they know where to find her. I'm sure that someone who actually received their merchandise has her address. Please feel free to message me if you have any questions about that process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 21, 2011 Author Share Posted November 21, 2011 PayPal will look into any claim, even after their 45-day window. There's no guarantee at that point, but they can investigate it and can withhold the money from the seller. As I mentioned earlier, I really think people need to show they've tried reaching Dawn and have tried taking care of the issue through Amazon or eBay before contacting the police, otherwise it's incredibly likely that not much will be done about it. And i'm in no way in favor of someone posting anyones home address here. if you ordered something through Amazon or PayPal, they give you sufficient information to file a claim against any seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
**nobodylikesyou** Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I assumed she was simply stating what one would need to contact police, I think everyone here is smart enough to do that stuff thru pm's..... I though she got injured in Afghanistan when her car hit a road bomb or something. According to some of the comments she never went outside the US? I don't know what to believe anymore. Didn't she get interviewed on someone's blog where she told her story a while ago? EDIT: Sorry, just saw Andres' comment. I'll shut up. http://greendaymind.wordpress.com/2010/08/31/interview-with-dawn71-green-day-fan-and-iraqi-war-veteran/ http://greendaymind....-joe-armstrong/ yes there you go. I know at least one other person that did receive their stuff but said it was very disappointing to be honest and stuff they could have printed out on their own. I completey understand what is important to you Andres and why you want to keep it related to the items received or not, at this time its all hush hush and these fans that are just finding out just want a place to discuss their feelings on "possibly" being taken advantage of. Maybe they'll do it on FB or twitter or tumblr. who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 21, 2011 Author Share Posted November 21, 2011 http://greendaymind....-joe-armstrong/ yes there you go. I know at least one other person that did receive their stuff but said it was very disappointing to be honest and stuff they could have printed out on their own. I completey understand what is important to you Andres and why you want to keep it related to the items received or not, at this time its all hush hush and these fans that are just finding out just want a place to discuss their feelings on "possibly" being taken advantage of. Maybe they'll do it on FB or twitter or tumblr. who knows. There's a lot of people who want gossip, and that's not important to me or what needs to be done to help anyone who got screwed over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark in the night Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I still never understood what GDATW actually was. Is there a thread that explains it? I remember people here were talking about it, but I don't recall ever personally reading into it that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farley drexel hatcher Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I understand it's not really relevant to the thread, but some people probably haven't got a clue what's been going on here. If you look at all the evidence, it's quite clear that the forum has been lied to, time and time again, by this woman, and people are going to want to talk about it. Saying 'that's not what this thread is for' isn't going to stop people wanting to do that. I don't get the need to keep things hush, if i'm honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 21, 2011 Author Share Posted November 21, 2011 I understand it's not really relevant to the thread, but some people probably haven't got a clue what's been going on here. If you look at all the evidence, it's quite clear that the forum has been lied to, time and time again, by this woman, and people are going to want to talk about it. Saying 'that's not what this thread is for' isn't going to stop people wanting to do that. I don't get the need to keep things hush, if i'm honest. My concern is that people here have a tendency to go crazy without any facts, I've seen it happen plenty of times before. We do have some facts out there, we know something is going on, people have posted about that, and I'm fine with that as I've said numerous times. But I also am incredibly wary of conclusions being drawn without anyone of us knowing all the details. That's my concern. For GDA, for myself, what I'm actually concerned about is helping anyone who trusted Dawn and tried to help out this cause in good-faith, only to be screwed over. I don't care that people are upset about the whole situation, because being upset isn't helping the people who have been wronged. I did not make this thread for everyone to say "oh, this is crazy. here's what i heard" unless it will in some way help the people who were screwed over. that's where i feel the extent of our involvement should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I believe she has violated at least one federal law, possibly three. Specifically 10 USC, Subtitle A, Part II, Chapter 45, Sections 771 and 772, and 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341, 1343, and 1346. It is also a possibility that she has violated the Stolen Valor Act, as I have consulted with two former Army officers who have both informed me that she does is not wearing a combat patch below her American flag on her right arm - thus showing that she was never deployed nor saw any combat. The fact that she presented Billie Joe with a Purple Heart which she claimed to be her own - and that she represented to a Green Day blogsite that she was injured in combat - is very relevant to criminal charges and should be made known to the GDC users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 21, 2011 Author Share Posted November 21, 2011 I believe she has violated at least one federal law, possibly three. Specifically 10 USC, Subtitle A, Part II, Chapter 45, Sections 771 and 772, and 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341, 1343, and 1346. It is also a possibility that she has violated the Stolen Valor Act, as I have consulted with two former Army officers who have both informed me that she does is not wearing a combat patch below her American flag on her right arm - thus showing that she was never deployed nor saw any combat. The fact that she presented Billie Joe with a Purple Heart which she claimed to be her own - and that she represented to a Green Day blogsite that she was injured in combat - is very relevant to criminal charges and should be made known to the GDC users. No, that should be made known to a lawyer for anyone wanting to sue her. You're accomplishing nothing by trying to stir that up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
**nobodylikesyou** Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 There's a lot of people who want gossip, and that's not important to me or what needs to be done to help anyone who got screwed over. In all fairness what is important to you may be quite different to what is important to the majority of the fan community. I think there is a big difference in unsubstantiated gossip and real and valid concerns over this whole situation. And I also understand you don't want this to turn into a bashing thread. However, you guys promoted her cause here and on GDA, so you made alot more people aware of it. Did you guys even check into it or check into her? I think this thread is a step in the right direction to at least make people aware of the fact that the whole thing is probably false. Green Day partners with NRDC and all the sudden this GDATW appears, Little Kyle has cancer and gets a call from Billie Joe, all the sudden Dawn has cancer, except no ones knows what kind or what stage its in, Billie Joe makes the news with an airline problem, all the sudden Dawn makes the news with an airline problem. I am not the only one that sees a pattern here. However, this is your forum, your rules. I will respect them even if i disagree with them. I won't say another word unless it's regarding the GDATW and the merchandise people didn't receive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 No, that should be made known to a lawyer for anyone wanting to sue her. You're accomplishing nothing by trying to stir that up here. Andres, people aren't sued for committing crimes. They are prosecuted by the state and/or federal government. If found guilty, they are ordered to pay restitution to the victims of the theft. If people were ripped off by buying things from her that were not delivered (google the second code I mentioned - it's Mail and Wire Fraud), the information I posted is quite relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 21, 2011 Author Share Posted November 21, 2011 If she did something illegal, then the people affected should report it and I've said as much. I don't know you or your level of involvement with Dawn or GDATW. I honestly just feel that some of you want to use GDC as a public ground for going after someone, and I'm not in favor of that. If we can help the people who were actually affected, then I'm happy to do so. I'm not interested in entertaining the curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallorymaloney Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Thank God this thread was finally made. I was so sick of edging around the fucking issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripe Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 You're right that the only people who might consider themselves "injured" by what potentially has happened here are anyone who bought something and didn't receive it, or anyone who donated money or goods and had no idea if their donation was used properly. BUT there is some impact on many of the members of this forum who trusted and perhaps admired the person Dawn presented herself as here. No one wants to be manipulated and made a fool of, and there is some rather damning evidence that most of the things she said about her experiences as a soldier and the circumstances regarding her injury are fabricated. People will want to discuss this situation - it's a bit much to ask them to limit themselves to discussion about GDATW gone bad when they may have some angry feelings about being duped - but they should be able to do it in a respectful way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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