Jaymee!! Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 If that is the Atomic Book site, they are going to email you a confirmation with the cost of shipping! They did! Cometbus #54: In China With Green Day?!! Subtotal $4.00 Shipping & Handling $0.00 Grand Total $4.00 :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 They did! Cometbus #54: In China With Green Day?!! Subtotal $4.00 Shipping & Handling $0.00 Grand Total $4.00 :D NICE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymee!! Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 NICE! BEING CANADIAN IS STARTING TO PAY OFF A LITTLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Some people who follow the band around are creepy, and I agree some take it a level that is absurd. There are some of these 'superfans' that I think are incredible and really fun to be around, and others that annoy me. It bugs me when people go out of their way to stalk the band, and I absolutely mean stalk. Not all of these 'superfans' are like that, they don't all go out of their way to get an autograph or a picture or to say hi to the band - they just enjoy the show or whatever they're doing, and expect nothing more out of it. Unlike Larry, who said in his writing that he wasn't going to judge what fans should act like, I do judge people, and hold some disdain for people who take it to that absurd level. You don't need to be at every event to try and compete with someone else or to say "I was there", or "I met them." As a matter of fact, I think I'm more bugged by people who do all this just to say "I was there" just for the sake of getting attention from it. And there definitely are people who do that. It'd be silly for me to tell people they shouldn't spend their lives trying to be involved with Green Day, I've run a site dedicated to them for the past 7 years. But I've also purposely kept my distance and tried not to be everywhere my friends were. I just don't feel that need to be. Same reason that when I go to NY at the end of the month, I only plan on going to one show, and the rest of the time I'll spend it doing non-Green Day stuff. I just don't feel like I need to be a part of the 'group' every moment I can get away in order to feel like I'm apart of something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanananananaa Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I agree with Andres. There are people who are actually very creepy as to go to dozens of shows in every tour, attend the musical a gazillion times, and basically spend more money with Green Day than they should. One thing is to be a devoted fan, another thing is to revolve your life around the band 24/7 just to be able to say they're seen them a huge amount of times. I don't really know where's the border between healthy and obssessed, but if someone spends lots of money that should be saved for other situations (to help them buy a car or a house for example), then something's wrong. Green Day are THE BEST band for many of us and they deserve devotion from us fans, but honestly, people who have attended 8945959635634 Green Day-related events aren't better fans than the ones who love them just as much but never had the chance to see them live. Of course, Aaron could've been more gentle in his writing. But he was honest and spoke his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Well of course fans that follow Green Day for the wrong reasons exist. The problem is how the hell does he think he knows which ones they are? He hasn't asked them what their reasons are, he doesn't know anything about them. He makes assumptions and judges entirely on appearances and that's an ignorant way to judge. And in his writing he says don't be judgemental and whines when he thinks people are judging him! It's just his extreme hypocrisy that's the problem here. I don't find it offensive though, just laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Equally as laughable as the people trying to call him out when they also know nothing about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farley drexel hatcher Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 The only thing that bothers me is some 'superfans' end up feeling entitled. Spending a lot of money on the band can go to some people's heads and you see the same people on barrier at every show and I don't agree with that. I heard a lot of it during Rocktober when FHT announced their show - "Well we should be able to go, we've earned it." And well, no, you haven't earned it anymore than the next person has. Not that this is everyone. But it is a negative side to the whole following the band around thing that i've noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Gotta say though I am still very much looking forward to reading this issue LOL! I'm not remotely surprised by his comments on Green Day fans, I would've been much more surprised if there wasn't anything like that in there. I've always loved his writing and always been irritated when he's unfairly judgemental or hypocritical in it - nothing new here. Sounds as interesting and upfront as ever, having stuff in it that not everyone agrees with that starts up a debate just makes it even more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian+Scandal Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I agree with Andres. There are people who are actually very creepy as to go to dozens of shows in every tour, attend the musical a gazillion times, and basically spend more money with Green Day than they should. One thing is to be a devoted fan, another thing is to revolve your life around the band 24/7 just to be able to say they're seen them a huge amount of times. I don't really know where's the border between healthy and obssessed, but if someone spends lots of money that should be saved for other situations (to help them buy a car or a house for example), then something's wrong. Green Day are THE BEST band for many of us and they deserve devotion from us fans, but honestly, people who have attended 8945959635634 Green Day-related events aren't better fans than the ones who love them just as much but never had the chance to see them live. Of course, Aaron could've been more gentle in his writing. But he was honest and spoke his mind. But who exactly are they hurting? Everyone is entitled to spend their money how they wish so long as it's not hurting anyone. It may be silly or unhealthy to some people and that's fine, don't do it then. I disagree with "unhealthy" though. You have to consider that it's about more than just Green Day. It's also about community. Although I wouldn't consider myself a superfan, I still have made friends through Green Day and a big part of my motivation for going to more than one show was to hang out with people I like who will be at a certain show. So many people have found acceptance and friends through Green Day events. They're brought together by one common interest. Socializing and congregating with like-minded people isn't unhealthy in my book and I think that's what a lot of it is about. Think about it... Are the Green Day fanatics loners? No! They are socializing and enjoying each other's company just as much as they are enjoying the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 The only thing that bothers me is some 'superfans' end up feeling entitled. Spending a lot of money on the band can go to some people's heads and you see the same people on barrier at every show and I don't agree with that. I heard a lot of it during Rocktober when FHT announced their show - "Well we should be able to go, we've earned it." And well, no, you haven't earned it anymore than the next person has. Not that this is everyone. But it is a negative side to the whole following the band around thing that i've noticed. I agree, SO annoying! If you've earned the money to see lots of shows good for you - seeing lots of shows is your reward and you're entitled to it. Thinking that also entitles you to anything else, that you're more deserving of "extra" stuff, or that you're special in some way is just ridiculous. I heard the same things before and after the FBHT show , some people just delude themselves into thinking that being at these events means they're special when really it only means they're lucky. Makes them feel important I suppose. Of course this only applies to some, not most, of the people who follow the band. Trouble is sometimes all the people who follow the band get tarred with the same brush (as seems to have happened in Cometbus here), and that isn't fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Livermore Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I think he has to tread a fine line between saying what he feels (which he is welcome to do of course) and coming across as a bit of a hypocrite. Besides, I went off him when he said he didn't want to visit Sheffield on the UK tour a couple of years ago. I'll have you know (assuming, of course, that it's me you're talking about) that I have been to Sheffield, and been to Hillsborough to see Sheffield Wednesday play, and that I gave up somewhere between 10 and 12 hours of my BIRTHDAY to do so (there were huge delays on the trains from London owing to torrential rains that day). And I explored a bit of Sheffield as well, as much as I could before I was absolutely soaking wet and the last train back to London was leaving. Any disparaging remarks I might have made about Sheffield and/or its football team(s) were completely in jest. I love the North of England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hello, Larry! Ha! It's Tanya... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCm Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Soooo!!! Who is going to chaos in tejas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Soooo!!! Who is going to chaos in tejas? Hmm... I thought we were already there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark in the night Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 "superfans" lol I wouldn't mind going to a few shows in a row, but I think it would get old eventually or maybe not since the band likes to mix the set-list up every time, but I dunno. 1 concert a year is enough exercise for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
711_Disciple Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Ugh. The idea of this causing a rift between Green Day fans around here, in any capacity, is churning my stomach. Can't we all just get along? More to the point, though, I was really upset about this excerpt when I first read it; I'll admit it's an ambition of mine to follow the band around in some capacity next tour. That's because I love travel, I love the shows and the atmosphere AT the shows and, most importantly, I've met amazing people through this band. But now I don't feel like I can afford to be upset about this anymore. This is one guy's opinion. There are plenty of people around me who think that my "Green Day life" is insane, that going to more than one show or driving more than x amount of miles to see them is ludicrous. I never let them get to me, and I always took that much more joy in hearing the stories of countless other people at the shows who had done the exact same thing. Why should this article change things? There are always going to be people who don't understand the things I enjoy in life, who will write me off as strange for doing so. I don't feel any shame and I won't apologize for using my time and money in the ways that make me happy, and I don't think anyone else here should either. One tiny part of one article by one guy shouldn't change that, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine. Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I've been reading a lot of comments about how Cometbus is a dick. I don't want to be the black sheep again..but..I just feel as though he's passionate about what he writes. Yeah, I mean..sometimes things can be taken too far. But, he keeps the scene alive for me at least. I bought my first Cometbus at Moe's on Telegraph Ave. The cashier up front told me that the zine I bought (The Loneliness of the Electric Menorah) was all about Telegraph and Berkeley and that Moe was the guy on the front. Hearing that, it made feel me...as corny as it sounds, warm. I had no idea if Cometbus wrote bad or good things about Telegraph in the zine since I was just buying it at the moment, but it just made me feel like this was a guy that didn't give a fuck what people thought but wrote about things that meant something to him. Yeah, the whole love/hate relationship with Berkeley and him is relevant, but the last paragraph of that zine gave me the chills. It really shows you that he cares about things, as much as a dick he portrays himself to be, atleast to some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripe Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I think the thing that bothers a lot of people about Aaron's opinion on this issue is that he is close to the band. And being close to the band, he has legitimacy that just some schmuck writing about the superfans doesn't. It goes to the issue that has been raised a number of times on FB, on the comments on Larry's blog, and maybe here....is it somehow possible that the members of Green Day feel the same way as Aaron does about the superfans?? If they do, we'll probably never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 I think the thing that bothers a lot of people about Aaron's opinion on this issue is that he is close to the band. And being close to the band, he has legitimacy that just some schmuck writing about the superfans doesn't. It goes to the issue that has been raised a number of times on FB, on the comments on Larry's blog, and maybe here....is it somehow possible that the members of Green Day feel the same way as Aaron does about the superfans?? Someone mentioned that today and had a good point... they probably wouldn't have named the new album the way they did if they thought that. I thought that was a good point. But it's natural to wonder, because I know I did when I read it. This whole thing today just bums me out. Isn't being a Green Day fan damned hard enough? We have to constantly hear in punk and music circles about how bad they are... or sold out... or this or that... and then for any fan (ok, let me change this... non-stalker fans of any stripe...) to be made to feel like crap by someone else who is obviously a fan themselves... or anyone here for that matter... just takes the fun out of it all. At least, for today it does. Tomorrow is another day. But it would be nice if people trolling the GDC actually engaged in conversation instead of... stalking. Goodnight, people I'm going to watch Castle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justcause Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Jeez, guys - the most important opinion is the one you have of yourself. If you were happy with that yesterday, why're are you sad today because of what some other guy thinks? If what he said causes you to question yourself, then address the question, and answer it on your own values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Livermore Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I think the thing that bothers a lot of people about Aaron's opinion on this issue is that he is close to the band. And being close to the band, he has legitimacy that just some schmuck writing about the superfans doesn't. It goes to the issue that has been raised a number of times on FB, on the comments on Larry's blog, and maybe here....is it somehow possible that the members of Green Day feel the same way as Aaron does about the superfans?? No, they do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Jeez, guys - the most important opinion is the one you have of yourself. If you were happy with that yesterday, why're are you sad today because of what some other guy thinks? If what he said causes you to question yourself, then address the question, and answer it on your own values. Good point. But I guess people have feelings. And sometimes things can bum them out. I think that's pretty simple to understand. If I have friends that are hurt... which I have over this... I feel for them. And that bums me out. It doesn't cause me to question my values. It causes me to feel for them. And I have or anyone else kinda has the right to feel sad. But, I guess that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warding_off_regrets Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Jeez, guys - the most important opinion is the one you have of yourself. If you were happy with that yesterday, why're are you sad today because of what some other guy thinks? If what he said causes you to question yourself, then address the question, and answer it on your own values. I really like this. It's the conclusion I was beginning to come to after reading through all eight pages of what has been some very interesting and intelligent discussion. I think it's clear that Aaron has a very different experience and perspective on life than most "super fans." He is operating by a different set of ethos than most of us which, after thinking on this, I feel is pretty much his only crime here. I don't really like or understand people who are that judgmental...at all...and it's been pointed out where his logic is flawed in places, but I find the outrage following his comments kind of baffling. I guess it's human nature to take it a little personally, but as frustrating as his opinion is for us, I think people are acting like it carries more weight than it actually does. It's just an opinion. He lives by a different set of rules, and if his opinion of us is unflattering well...oh well. Everyone's own rules work for them for a reason. All that said, I can't wait to get my hands on a copy of #54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxy Crimefighter Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 damn, bitches been Larry Livermore'd. I will happily admit that I have problems with certain Green Day fans however these certain fans are the creepily manic ones that wear my already thin paitence and Teenie Boppers who condemn me when I tell them to stop screeching "OMG!!! MARRY US BILLY JOEZ OMG YOUR SO HAWT!" in my ear at a concert during Last Night on Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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