HungryHungryModels Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 You truthfully believe the meat people eat is killed humanely? I'm not vegetarian by any means, but I'm also not that naive. I'm not even a big Tre fan either. Maybe I missed the part where he was just doing it for fun? If I recall correctly, wasn't he actually trying to eat the thing, and just failed miserably? Yeah, really... No animal is killed "humanely". Even if you're buying your chicken from a really good farm that claims to even be free range, etc... It's still not being killed humanely. I don't see what the big deal is about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I've heard of Tre doing worse things. Don't know if what I heard was true, but I do know that Tre was rude when I met him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I've heard of Tre doing worse things. Don't know if what I heard was true, but I do know that Tre was rude when I met him. He was lovely when I met him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Yeah, really... No animal is killed "humanely". Even if you're buying your chicken from a really good farm that claims to even be free range, etc... It's still not being killed humanely. I don't see what the big deal is about this. Off topic, but my chickens are being butchered soon. They actually should've been killed last week, they're getting so big now they can barely walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Yeah, I've heard from multiple people that he isn't the most pleasant person. He's definitely the least memorable Green Day member too. I think I'd even rather meet Jason White than Tre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HungryHungryModels Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Like him ignoring male fans because he didn't want to talk to anyone unless they had tits? XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 You truthfully believe the meat people eat is killed humanely? I'm not vegetarian by any means, but I'm also not that naive. I'm not even a big Tre fan either. Maybe I missed the part where he was just doing it for fun? If I recall correctly, wasn't he actually trying to eat the thing, and just failed miserably? Well no not most of the time (and I don't eat meat for the record) but it is possible to at least try to do it quickly and humanely to some degree and not deliberately prolong it/make it as painful and distressing as possible if it's in your power to do so. For example you'd expect a hunter to try to kill an animal in one shot rather than, say, tying it up and torturing it to death. Of course there's other instances of animal cruelty in the meat industry and elsewhere every day but that doesn't make biting chunks out of a live animal until it's dead any less cruel or any more justified. He wasn't eating it because he was hungry or it would taste nice or because he was taking part in some sort of local cultural tradition, he grabbed an octopus backstage after a show and bit into it like a fool like "lol I'm so wacky I'm eating a live octopus!!!11". So yeah it was for fun. I've heard of Tre doing worse things. Don't know if what I heard was true, but I do know that Tre was rude when I met him. Yeah he's abused animals before, on the Pop Disaster tour he put two fish that he knew would fight together so one got badly injured and then just left it alone in a fishbowl and prodded it as it lay half dead in pain, sickeningly this was reported in an article as if it was just some funny/wacky thing. I can't think of anything worse he's done, can't get much lower than being cruel to animals for a laugh really. Ugh. All I saw were observations. the same observations that I've made about Green Day fans too He's just being honest, I guess some people don't like that. I agree! I love how he writes and his honest observations and opinions even if I don't agree with all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Not gonna lie, I have eaten live octopus and live shrimp before, and both were delicious. I didn't drag it out, though. The octopus was sliced up before it even made it to the table but still wriggling (and a tentacle got stuck to the roof of my mouth, yay!), but the shrimp were very much alive, although intoxicated after being submerged in sake before hitting the plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteTim Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Not gonna lie, I have eaten live octopus and live shrimp before, and both were delicious. I didn't drag it out, though. The octopus was sliced up before it even made it to the table but still wriggling (and a tentacle got stuck to the roof of my mouth, yay!), but the shrimp were very much alive, although intoxicated after being submerged in sake before hitting the plate. And you're intention was to eat right not to show off or make a joke of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 And you're intention was to eat right not to show off or make a joke of it In both cases, I was hungry, and animals were there. I thought the notion of eating live octopus was a curious one. The octopus probably disagreed, but since I was higher on the food chain and all, he didn't really get a say in the matter. Besides, it's not like sharks ask the octopus to politely off itself before they bite in. It tasted great, but I'm not sure I'd do it again because of the experience of my food suctioning itself to my mouth. The shrimp were a slightly different scenario. I saw a dish called "dancing shrimp" on the menu, and since I'd never heard of it before, I decided to give it a try because I'm hardcore like that. I didn't bother to read the description, so I was a little bit surprised when a plate of very much not dead shrimp was brought out to me. Again, delicious, but the whole wiggling around in my mouth and tickling my uvula while I was trying to swallow thing will probably keep me from ever trying that again. I've eaten live oysters before, forgot about that. I suppose they weren't "alive" at that point, as they had been cleaned, but they had been out of the water for all of 60 seconds before I started eating. Also delicious, but the texture is not for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I liked Tre when I met him, he was very funny and it was super kind of him to take the time to meet and greet the fans who were waiting, especially because there wasn't a barricade between him and us haha. He has a really brash persona though, that's for sure. Anyway, idk if we can judge him for his behavior over 10 years ago. He's gotten married since and seems to be much more mellowed out and happy than he used to be. This book was written about events in 2010...that's not over ten years ago!! Also by that time he had fathered two children, was in his late thirties, had been married twice and yet was a total asshole. Every time he meets another woman (he has been engaged/married/long term relationship with about a million) he is so happy etc yet he's still a dick. Aaron had some lovely quotes about Tre and women too given what he had observed over the years and couldn't determine if Tre "hated all women" or what his problem was. Yeah, lovely guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 He wasn't eating it because he was hungry or it would taste nice or because he was taking part in some sort of local cultural tradition, he grabbed an octopus backstage after a show and bit into it like a fool like "lol I'm so wacky I'm eating a live octopus!!!11". So yeah it was for fun. But it's not like he told you his intentions, or you were there to witness it firsthand? I think it's a bit crazy to base a large portion of your opinion of someone and their intentions on a secondhand account of an event that was detailed in a magazine... Plus, if you read the entire scene from the magazine, it literally says he told everyone he did want to try to eat the local delicacies, even the unusual ones and live animals. Just because Aaron's description makes Tre seem like a villain doesn't mean he necessarily is; someone could easily describe how Americans eat meat in a vile way and people could view us as cruel, too. People in Japan really do eat live, wriggling octopus. Tre was just clearly doing it wrong. Sure, he was probably showing off, but regardless, we can't say that definitively. Even if he did eat it right, the octopus still would've been hacked alive; that's how they prepare it. Here's the excerpt, for those who haven't read it in a while: Then I felt something cold and slimy slip down my shirt. I turned and let out an involuntary scream: it was Tre, with a live octopus, one of whose tentacles was reaching into my pants! It was truly a nightmare. Tre cackled evilly as he pulled the octopus off me. Then he opened his mouth wide and began to devour it alive! He had mentioned a desire to try some of the more unusual local delicacies, but I hadn't taken the part about live animals literally. Tre had taken one bite before the octopus wrapped one of its tentacles around his neck and started to squeeze — first tentatively, then with more force. The octopus got another tentacle down his throat, and Tre started to choke. All the while, the limeys were in a frenzy of flashbulbs, egging him on. Billie and I turned away, too revolted and unsettled to watch — only to see the opening band's singer sucking the girl's face and slipping his hand underneath her skirt. It was all too much! The bodyguards did not step in to save Tre from the octopus, but once he'd freed himself from its grip, one went with Tre to the bathroom to help him puke. The other two hacked away at the still-writhing animal with knives. Get the singer for the opening band, too! Where Tre had gotten a live octopus, I never did find out. I was scared to ask. Later, he joined us at our table. He seemed sobered by his near-death experience, and looked a little pale. "I ate everything as a kid," he said. "I was the only kid you didn't have to convince to try something new. Last week, Mike's wife asked me how she could get their son to be like that. He hates vegetables. I told her to get a job driving big rigs cross-country. That's what my parents did. They left me and my sister alone for weeks at a time. You learn to cook pretty fast that way. You eat anything you can find." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I wouldn't find it much of an excuse even if he actually was trying a local "delicacy" in a restaurant (there are "traditions" all over the world that are cruel and barbaric towards animals, the word tradition doesn't make it alright), but some idiot on his own messing around with a whole octopus backstage after a show really has nothing to do with taking part in a cultural tradition (I mean come on) so I don't think it's any excuse at all. Neither is Tre's absolutely pathetic "oh poor me my parents sometimes weren't around when I was a kid so I had to eat anything I could find" excuse afterwards. However sensationally it was described the fact remains he picked up a live animal and bit a chunk out of its head, and intended to keep doing that while it slowly died in agony. I don't really see how there can be any debate over whether that's a horribly cruel thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I didn't see Tre's comment as an excuse, they came off as more an explanation of why he's cool with trying new things. The way the piece was written leaves me in doubt of anything else Aaron has to say, ever, and it's silly to try to draw conclusions about what Tre's like as a person based on this glorified piece of gossip fodder. If I hear that a person cruelly abused an animal for entertainment (and this is the second time it's been reported that Tre's done that), and the basic fact that they did it isn't in question, I'm going to draw the conclusion that the person did a cruel and shitty thing and my overall opinion of them is going to go down. I don't think that's silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud_ginge Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I have heard Aaron also misjudged the support band somewhat too. The lead singer's enthusiastic response to a supposed groupie was his long term girlfriend who had joined them mid tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I have heard Aaron also misjudged the support band somewhat too. The lead singer's enthusiastic response to a supposed groupie was his long term girlfriend who had joined them mid tour. Right. Heard this from where exactly? You know this isn't Aaron's first zine. Strange to say he has been doing this since 1982 (and is ridiculously respected in the punk scene and beyond) and knows a thing or two about checking facts before publishing lest you end up getting sued or simply looking like an idiot. After this zine came out though a bunch of asshole GD fans decided to write a bunch of lies online about him. Funny how that happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 If I hear that a person cruelly abused an animal for entertainment (and this is the second time it's been reported that Tre's done that), and the basic fact that they did it isn't in question, I'm going to draw the conclusion that the person did a cruel and shitty thing and my overall opinion of them is going to go down. I don't think that's silly. Exactly. I can't see how there is any question over the fact that Tre actually did the deed therefore he has tortured an animal plain and simple (even if you don't enjoy descriptive writing). It is disgusting and cruel and if he hadn't done it he would have sued Aaron for saying he did. Deciding that anything written by an author is lies or "gossip" because you don't like their writing style makes no sense. Sounds like denial to me I honestly don't respect his opinion. His writing style leaves a lot to be desired. It isn't opinion that Tre ate an octopus...it's fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Yeah he might've misjudged people at times (like I think he was pretty harsh about Tre's love life, and I like to think he wasn't completely on the money about Prima Donna and Kevin Preston since when I met them they were total gentlemen and lovely and I know many other people who've met them and thought the same), no one's going to be a perfect judge of character all the time or always judge someone for their actions the same as I might. But Tre did that to the octopus no bones about it, his writing style and the way he presented it isn't really relevant to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 A lot of fans were downright irate when they read Aaron's book back in 2011. The reaction was ridiculous. Some fans took his criticism of certain fan types so personally it was as though he had insulted their very essence (which probably says a lot about those individuals lol). He didn't however insult all their fans and if those who were so insulted hadn't gotten so obsessed with a few lines would have noticed all his paragraphes about being in the pits with fans singing along and dancing and having fun just like the rest of us. Those who did get insulted by his comments went psycho though and took to twitter, facebook and basically everywhere else possible and trashed him and attacked Larry Livermore for defending him and demanded Larry answer if Green Day agreed with Aaron etc. All kinds of nutcase stuff. It went on for ages. These (mostly) girls were so determined to trash Aaron they wrote all kinds of crap about him online. The same people probably never read a single book by him before and have no clue of his strong feminism and ridiculous close relationship with Billie yet they accused him of hating women and then claimed Billie hated him. That shit made them feel better I'm sure. These same girls started those stupid rumors about Gilman St gig. Funny how the well balanced "normal" girls in the front (eg Nikki Lee) never once complained about a thing that night yet one particular girl (who happens to have started a war with Larry Livermore because he defended Aaron) started that rumor and it became gospel. Bullshit. Also Aaron never suggested Billie was sleazy but rather that one doesn't need to kiss fans to be a sex symbol and if anything it removes that "unattainable" aspect. He explained that it worked that way for them with Joey Ramone and it makes sense imo. I am pretty sure you are talking about me and what I wrote about Aaron and Larry a number of years ago. Basically, people where upset, and I defended those people who were upset. As to a "war" with Larry... the next time I see him, I'll ask him how the war is going, lol. And as to the PHGP show... it did happen. I was there and saw it. So... that's all I'll say about that. He was terrible that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I am pretty sure you are talking about me and what I wrote about Aaron and Larry a number of years ago. Basically, people where upset, and I defended those people who were upset. As to a "war" with Larry... the next time I see him, I'll ask him how the war is going, lol. And as to the PHGP show... it did happen. I was there and saw it. So... that's all I'll say about that. He was terrible that night. If that was you then I read the stuff you wrote back then and you came across as totally crazy, so sorry but I don't believe anything you say about Aaron or what happened at that show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 If that was you then I read the stuff you wrote back then and you came across as totally crazy, so sorry but I don't believe anything you say about Aaron or what happened at that show. If it was this: http://greendaymind.com/2010/03/14/pinhead-gunpowder-show-of-a-lifetime-924-gilman-21210/ But, frankly, maybe it's not me because I don't sound crazy in it. But I also understand how it's tough to hear that your idol isn't the nicest 100% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 Anyway, all of this is water under the bridge. This issue of Cometbus' is wonderful, with a few hiccups here and there, particularly about fans. Other than that, it's a great read. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 If it was this: http://greendaymind.com/2010/03/14/pinhead-gunpowder-show-of-a-lifetime-924-gilman-21210/ But, frankly, maybe it's not me because I don't sound crazy in it. But I also understand how it's tough to hear that your idol isn't the nicest 100% of the time. No it's you alright. Thanks for the confirmation. I never said you sounded crazy when you "reviewed" the Pinhead Gunpowder gig. You sounded crazy when you spent weeks on twitter and facebook and here, and your own site practically foaming at the mouth because Aaron wrote two or three lnegative lines in one zine about ridiculous crazy fans therefore he hates all fans therefore he is satan. It was really amusing if a little sad. Demanding answers from Larry if Billie and the others agreed with his point of view? Wow. You just couldn't leave it alone it was epic. Damn such hatred. So yeah I guess only a complete and total idiot would believe your account of events from that gig. Aaron turns evil...for one night only and with only one witness. Give me a break. Ps. I don't have idols...I'm too old for that shit but I do enjoy a good read and your "review" was the best laugh I've had in a while Anyway, all of this is water under the bridge. This issue of Cometbus' is wonderful, with a few hiccups here and there, particularly about fans. Other than that, it's a great read. Cheers. the new issue is about booksellers it mentions absolutely nothing about fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain peroxide Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 You just couldn't leave it alone Irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 No it's you alright. Thanks for the confirmation. I never said you sounded crazy when you "reviewed" the Pinhead Gunpowder gig. You sounded crazy when you spent weeks on twitter and facebook and here, and your own site practically foaming at the mouth because Aaron wrote two or three lnegative lines in one zine about ridiculous crazy fans therefore he hates all fans therefore he is satan. It was really amusing if a little sad. Demanding answers from Larry if Billie and the others agreed with his point of view? Wow. You just couldn't leave it alone it was epic. Damn such hatred. So yeah I guess only a complete and total idiot would believe your account of events from that gig. Aaron turns evil...for one night only and with only one witness. Give me a break. Ps. I don't have idols...I'm too old for that shit but I do enjoy a good read and your "review" was the best laugh I've had in a while the new issue is about booksellers it mentions absolutely nothing about fans Hmm, I don't remember spending weeks on Twitter talking about the part about fans, but I did talk about it, for sure. But weeks... that's probably a little farfetched. And I'm glad you laughed, because that is pretty much the point of most of the stuff I blogged about... fun and laughter. So I'm glad I helped that. And I can assure that the girl who screamed is from the GDC and you probably know her, but I don't want to mention her name. I guess what got me the most angry is how hurt people were from what he wrote. People who really looked up to him, loved his writing, and felt that he was writing negatively about them. Maybe I shouldn't have tried to defend them, but I saw how much they were hurt, so I did. Larry and I talked about this a long time ago, so it's all good between him and me, and frankly, that's all that really matters. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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