Abbey. Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 It just feels like now we just need to move on and talk about something else... can't wait for more people to read it. but i dont wanna stop talking about aaron cometbus. sadface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 but i dont wanna stop talking about aaron cometbus. sadface. i meant SOMETHING ELSE IN THE ISSUE. not about his stupid fan comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbey. Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 i meant SOMETHING ELSE IN THE ISSUE. not about his stupid fan comments. i have an idea, lets talk about BUYING USED BOOKS IN SINGAPORE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 i have an idea, lets talk about BUYING USED BOOKS IN SINGAPORE! Ha! And yes... that was something I would have mentioned in a review, lol. Great story about book hunting, for sure! Though I can compare hunting and seeking out rare books and buying them right back into collecting the experiences of going to multiple shows and events, too. Looked at in a certain way, both are kinda frivolous and decadent. But... I am not going to go there... lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbey. Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Actually it would be quite interesting to hear if there is anyone here that lives in Singapore or Hong Kong. The dichotomy he presents of Hong Kong as a fascinatingly fucked up distribution of wealth place, even more dramatic than here in the USA. And Singpore Ive heard characterized from others as a strange sterile city-state as Aaron describes it. I simply dont know what to make of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellyboots Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 That term still and will always conjure up bad images for me. I can't help it. Sorry. It just makes me conjure up an image of a Green Day fan wearing a cape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 It just makes me conjure up an image of a Green Day fan wearing a cape. haha. yes. i mentioned that on my blog... "Am I suppose to have some sort of cape with my superfan costume? capes make me look silly! haha... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizziebix Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 This wonderful conversation, on all sides, has really peaked my interest. I've never heard of Cometbus as a writer before this thread and only heard of him in Pinhead Gunpowder because of the stories about the Gilman show on here also. I'm not usually one to love controversy, but this article seems to include a lot of interesting information on Green Day along with opinions outside of how we (me included) fans see ourselves. Will be ordering my own copy and can't wait to read it all and then be able to more fully understand all the comments being made here. (Great, interesting and intelligent conversations going on here. So nice to see on GDC.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IscoredWaddlesgoals Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Do you know what the worst, most awful, unfair thing about this is ? MIKE IS DESCRIBED AS WEARING 'CHINESE' PYJAMAS AND FUZZY SLIPPERS AND YET, THERE IS NO PICTURES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine. Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 So with some more thought on Aaron the person, I need to change my interpretation of his views of the Superfans. I see his views now not as an “attack” on individuals be they female, middle-aged, lost-looking, or eerie, I see them as a detatched social commentary on what he has always probably railed against, the entitled-class of wealth accumulators that he believes greedily buys their way into each and every show. He feels the Japan fans are crazed in the manner in which they express their fandom for the band through the streets/airports/trains of Japan, but he is comparing them to the American entitled-class of wealth accumulators that show up day-in and day-out at Green Day shows sucking up the entertainment just as they suck up shopping-bags full of crap at the malls. He is against what he sees these people taking and taking and taking and taking and taking from the band. This, he is clearly against. I think his message to these people is probably nothing more than CHILL. I don't think you could have said that better. I agree with you 100%. In my first post on here, that idea was pretty much the backbone of my post. I think Cometbus writing this zine made me see him as a brilliant writer, not that I didn't see it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Livermore Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 If I hadn't been called out in Larry's post, when I wrote about the issue, I wasn't going to make such a big deal out of it. It's a small part of a great story. Of course when people first read something and are "insulted" by it, they will focus on that first. It just feels like now we just need to move on and talk about something else... can't wait for more people to read it. You were not "called out," at least not as I understand the term, which to me has always meant "singled out for criticism." I simply quoted you expressing an opinion, without taking a position for or against that position. It's a very normal journalistic technique, using one person's words (usually the person who has most articulately and succinctly stated the case) to illustrate the feelings/complaints/opinions of a more amorphous mass of annoyed and/or outraged people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOMERTEN Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Firstly using 'fatherless' and 'middle aged' as insults is not just wring, but stupid. Like I've said in a previous post, does this mean my 'fatherless' friend can't enjoy Green Day because her dad died ? Or other people can't if they've been raised by a single mother ? I don't know what people's age has to do with it either. Secondly, what's the difference between an enthusiastic Japanese fan and an American one ? Is he just saying he prefers the first because he can't understand them or because they're not American ? I always thought calling someone 'fatherless' was a derogatory term, referring to them as a bastard. I haven't seen the article or the sentence he used. With regard to the Japanese fans, I recall bands in the past (such as Duran Duran) saying they had to hire a whole floor in a hotel and cordon off the corridor with security, particularly in Japan because the fans would check into rooms on the same floor and chap their bedroom door all night, pose as chambermaids etc. So Japan has their crazed fans too. I also saw an old documentary on The police from the 70's and Japanese fans (female) were following them everywhere with money their parents gave them thinking it was a sight seeing tour. I still think for someone to get a free first class ticket to write about his exploits should not criticize people doing the same thing eh? Whats the difference? it's still a freebie. Can we talk about Mikes fuzzy slippers now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 You were not "called out," at least not as I understand the term, which to me has always meant "singled out for criticism." I simply quoted you expressing an opinion, without taking a position for or against that position. It's a very normal journalistic technique, using one person's words (usually the person who has most articulately and succinctly stated the case) to illustrate the feelings/complaints/opinions of a more amorphous mass of annoyed and/or outraged people. Actually, we were... over something that I am still not sure why you blogged about. I think you blew the subject up more so than any of us would have. How many enraged masses were there? I think about four or five people talking on Twitter. I'm sure it would have died down as quickly as it began. Your post kinda blew it out there into the open. Here at the GDC, we are almost always enraged about something or another, but it usually dies down after a bit. But thank you about the "most articulately and succinctly stated the case" thing, lol. I always thought calling someone 'fatherless' was a derogatory term, referring to them as a bastard. I haven't seen the article or the sentence he used. With regard to the Japanese fans, I recall bands in the past (such as Duran Duran) saying they had to hire a whole floor in a hotel and cordon off the corridor with security, particularly in Japan because the fans would check into rooms on the same floor and chap their bedroom door all night, pose as chambermaids etc. So Japan has their crazed fans too. I also saw an old documentary on The police from the 70's and Japanese fans (female) were following them everywhere with money their parents gave them thinking it was a sight seeing tour. I still think for someone to get a free first class ticket to write about his exploits should not criticize people doing the same thing eh? Whats the difference? it's still a freebie. Can we talk about Mikes fuzzy slippers now? Just to make clear, I'm the one that characterized it that way, as "fatherless families in reference to the part where he said... "...plus the occasional Green Day groupie family that contained both. Where the dads were, I don’t know—though that may have been the point." Tell you the truth, I actually really don't understand what he means by that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricE Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Is there any possibility of this being scanned? I have absolutely no way to get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I actually enjoy that Larry wrote about this storm as it was happening and addressed the issue by highlighting some people's feelings about it. At the very least, it's given us some great conversation. Is there any possibility of this being scanned? I have absolutely no way to get it I don't think we'll be allowing any scans of it. I don't think that's fair to Aaron. As J'net mentioned before, in the next couple days GDA will be distributing it for as cheap as we possibly can just to get more Green Day fans to read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 I actually enjoy that Larry wrote about this storm as it was happening and addressed the issue by highlighting some people's feelings about it. At the very least, it's given us some great conversation. I am only asking why he blogged about it, Andres. I believe there was some great conversation going on about it over here, too. Especially since the question was phrased as "Why do they think that they are the ones being talked about." Slightly felt like finger-pointing, to be honest. But, I await Larry's response to the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I don't think we'll be allowing any scans of it. I don't think that's fair to Aaron. It's also no small piece of work in terms of volume. Would be very labor-intensive, not to mention unfair to Aaron (and illegal under copyright law). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IscoredWaddlesgoals Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I always thought calling someone 'fatherless' was a derogatory term, referring to them as a bastard. I haven't seen the article or the sentence he used. With regard to the Japanese fans, I recall bands in the past (such as Duran Duran) saying they had to hire a whole floor in a hotel and cordon off the corridor with security, particularly in Japan because the fans would check into rooms on the same floor and chap their bedroom door all night, pose as chambermaids etc. So Japan has their crazed fans too. I also saw an old documentary on The police from the 70's and Japanese fans (female) were following them everywhere with money their parents gave them thinking it was a sight seeing tour. I still think for someone to get a free first class ticket to write about his exploits should not criticize people doing the same thing eh? Whats the difference? it's still a freebie. Can we talk about Mikes fuzzy slippers now? Yes, yes and please. Repeatedly and in great detail. Perhaps with a poll so we can guess whether they were animal ones or just generic fuzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricE Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 It's also no small piece of work in terms of volume. Would be very labor-intensive, not to mention unfair to Aaron (and illegal under copyright law). Oh, ok I'm sorry, that was stupid of me not to realize those things. Is there any way someone could post maybe interesting pieces of info from the zine? Aside from the comments about fans of course. Sorry to bombard you all as a new member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 Can we talk about Mikes fuzzy slippers now? There's also a great description of Tre wearing a track suit that was two sizes too big... and if I remember correctly, pink. And the live octopus... couldn't stop laughing for a bit after reading that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Errm, don't want to be annoying, but could you please like, stick it in spoilers when you talk about funny or interesting or cool bits of it? For those of us who haven't read the zine yet but want/hope to. (I mean like, things like the thing about fuzzy slippers etc. Obviously not the whole superfan discussion. Which has been very interesting to read, if I may add.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 Errm, don't want to be annoying, but could you please like, stick it in spoilers when you talk about funny or interesting or cool bits of it? For those of us who haven't read the zine yet but want/hope to. (I mean like, things like the thing about fuzzy slippers etc. Obviously not the whole superfan discussion) No problem. Sorry, just trying to change the subject from fans. (And changed to spoiler now...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 No problem. Sorry, just trying to change the subject from fans. Nah that's okay, just thought I'd mention it for the future. Before the best parts are spoiled, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 Nah that's okay, just thought I'd mention it for the future. Before the best parts are spoiled, haha. No worries! I understand! And you are right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermodel*Robot Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 There's nothing to stop him talking to those people and trying find out more about them and their motives instead of just judging on appearances though. If he doesn't know something he should try to find out before he judges, do a bit of research. That's my only issue. This is how Aaron writes. He's always bitching about people with wealth, etc. He observes behaviour and he reacts to it. He doesn't necessarily get in their and pick at the people's brains. He never has and, most likely, never will. It's okay if people don't like or appreciate that he writes in this way, but I don't think the fact that this edition is about Green Day should make it any different. Yes, I haven't read it, but from what it sounds like, it's just Aaron expressing things in an Aaron sort of way. If you don't like it, don't read it. It's a zine. It's opinion based, not fact based. If you have to read it because it's about Green Day, then just respect and understand who you're reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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