SOMERTEN Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Lovely to hear comments from J'net and Niki Lee. And judging by most of the other comments Cometbus is pissing off the wrong people! Personally I don't give a fuck how some 'non-entity hanger on pal of Green Day' would interpret my life, I felt offended for all of us as a group. I don't like people spending money and being laughed at. Maybe the best way to make a protest is to refuse to buy any more copies, and let someone who has it scan it instead. Maybe the discussion is now giving him too much notoriety he is not worthy of. P.S. Kerouac my arse! Anyone who can pass off uneducated guesswork and stereotyping as literature cannot write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farley drexel hatcher Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Desperately trying to decide whether this is worth the £24 it's gonna cost me.... the shipping is so expensive!! Shipping to the UK is about $7 on 1-2-3-4-go records http://www.1234gorecords.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellyboots Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 When I said I didn't understand how younger kids go to all these Green Day events, I'm mainly referring to the kids who are still in high school..that are most likely still dependent on their parent's income. I mean, I don't know everyone's situation..but..what I have seen in the past, that's what it's based around. I don't know, for me it doesn't make sense for a 15, 16, or 17 year old to get up and go wherever Green Day is, espeically when they're still in school and dependent on their parent's. But, that's how I was raised. It's a totally different situation if somone is out of high school and is on their own, you know? Yeah, I assumed that's what you meant....but then again, technically I was 17 and still in school when I first started to plan for Green Day shows! Any 16/17 year old I have met that has gone to lots of concerts has paid for it all themselves too. Every situation is different though, I'm sure there are plenty of teens that are being somewhat funded by their parents to manage to go to some shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine. Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Yeah, I assumed that's what you meant....but then again, technically I was 17 and still in school when I first started to plan for Green Day shows! Any 16/17 year old I have met that has gone to lots of concerts has paid for it all themselves too. Every situation is different though, I'm sure there are plenty of teens that are being somewhat funded by their parents to manage to go to some shows. No, yeah...more power to 'em. But, I've been to quite a few shows myself too...plus some other stuff and I'm still in high school. Just, them going out of the country and across the country is sort of iffy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Eh, pretty sure everyone on this forum is from now on a terrifying groupie. Though *maybe* saying that people who know the names of the guys who get introduced at least once every show, and two of them are also introduced on that obscure DVD, are terminating, is a tiny bit unreasonable. But that's just me. This. I kind of can't help but know their names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*withoutadoubt* Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 You're post almost brought me to tears Thank you for saying so! I get emotional, too, especially when I write stuff that's touches me in whatever way. This is something personal to all of us, and I am really enjoying all the discussion it's turned up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I get emotional, too, especially when I write stuff that's touches me in whatever way. This is something personal to all of us, and I am really enjoying all the discussion it's turned up. Same here, I loved reading your post and I totally agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I certainly don't recall thinking I was entitled to go to see The Foxies during Rocktober, I nearly didn't even bother trying but was persuaded, after being in a van for over a week and still on crutches from a hip replacement operation I was knackered in pain and wanted to go home, the fact Id paid for a Wembley ticket was the reason I travelled to London with the rest. Please don't lump everyone together in one term. I certainly wasn't trying to lump anyone together and I wasn't referring to you at all. Only referring to individuals who I've heard say those things about that show (and other such events). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbie Head Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 So, how are people in Europe planing to get this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Oh that so hits SOOO many nails right on the head. Wish I could give you more than +1rep for that. Many extra kudos for managing your finances well enough to be able to see what shows you can without busting yourself, others I know (myself included!) didn't do so well with that when I was younger and I had left myself with quite the mess to clean up...fortunately took care of it before I was married. Anyway I digress... But if Aaron Cometbus wants to set up a trust fund for me so that I can better fit his stereotype, I won't protest. People who have actually been offended by Aaron's words....well to be blunt, just don't be. Do what you enjoy and don't let anyone make you doubt your decisions. Nearly everyone has something in their life that brings them this much happiness and enjoyment, and if your thing happens to be Green Day.....so fucking what? I think Billie himself said it best: Who the hell are you to tell me what I am And what's my master plan What makes you think that it includes you? Self-righteous wealth Stop flattering yourself So when the smoke clears here I am Your reject all-American Sucking up to your social sect Making you a nervous wreck To hell and back and hell again I've gone You're not my type Apropos, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarina. Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 So, how are people in Europe planing to get this? That's what I was thinking as well. If someone from the UK or something can buy a couple of zines (I think I saw Tony posting about that, Idk), could you order one for me too? I can send the money through Paypal. I'll wait a bit though.. there might be sites that actually have reasonable shipping costs, althought I haven't found any yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Sure, many people might not like what was said. but at least it entertained you, right? Otherwise you would've just put it down and never said anything about it. What I don't get, though, is he's saying these things about the "superfans", but doesn't he realize: these are the only people who probably know about this magazine and will buy it? The people who say "Oh, cool, Green Day will be here next week. I like them! I'll go see them" most likely won't know who he is. So the superfans are essentially giving him the money for the magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farley drexel hatcher Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 For people still wondering, 1-2-3-4 Go! Records have this and have three different shipping options to Europe - the cheapest is $7.48. I don't know if that's legit as all i've done is estimate shipping and not gone through to the check out process. But that's probably the cheapest you're going to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of 1967 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 What I don't get, though, is he's saying these things about the "superfans", but doesn't he realize: these are the only people who probably know about this magazine and will buy it? The people who say "Oh, cool, Green Day will be here next week. I like them! I'll go see them" most likely won't know who he is. So the superfans are essentially giving him the money for the magazine. Yep. Some would call it hubris, others might call it shooting one's self in one's ding-dong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katymusic Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Atomic Books/ Records website is telling me shipping for the zine to the uk is £0.00... To good to be true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine. Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 You know, apart of me thinks that Cometbus intentionally put that comment about the fans in the zine because he KNEW Green Day fans were gonna pick it up, at least the hard core ones. I don't know, just a thought. I mean, unless that was just Cometbus being Cometbus. I would hate to think he would do that, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
November's Storms Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Sorry if I went a little bit off topic and the massive rambling post This is one of the few threads where I'm happy to read long posts because they're usually relevant and heartfelt So, how are people in Europe planing to get this? The wonderfully clever Melanie is doing a group order for us Irish! Thanks Mel! So maybe find people in your country and try the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justcause Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Yep. Some would call it hubris, others might call it shooting one's self in one's ding-dong. I would assume that this guy's writing it for himself, and trying to make it the most honest document that he can. Surely he could have left out the stuff that's pissing people off, but then he'd be leaving out a part of himself and his own personality. Is that what people want from a writer? Like, that he should go, 'Green Day fans will be reading this - better not write that I think some of them suck' ? It's not what I want - I'd rather hear someone lay it all out, and I'll take what I take from it. Billie Joe wrote East Jesus Nowhere apparently after attending - if I recall it right - the christening of a friend's child or somesuch. Supposing he'd gone 'better not write this, because it could hurt my friend's feelings'? Suppose Green Day made artistic decisions based on what might offend certain areas of their fanbase, what would we have then? We'd have neutered works of art, who the fuck wants that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J'net Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 This is one of the few threads where I'm happy to read long posts because they're usually relevant and heartfelt The wonderfully clever Melanie is doing a group order for us Irish! Thanks Mel! So maybe find people in your country and try the same? Looks like GDA/GDC will be distributing this issue, and we'll make sure to use the most fair shipping method we can find for international (and everyone else). But doing the group thing is a really good idea. Each person ends up paying less shipping that way . And P.S. we'll have the details soon, but this is just happening as we speak, so we don't know everything yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellyboots Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I think Billie himself said it best: Who the hell are you to tell me what I am And what's my master plan What makes you think that it includes you? Self-righteous wealth Stop flattering yourself So when the smoke clears here I am Your reject all-American Sucking up to your social sect Making you a nervous wreck To hell and back and hell again I've gone You're not my type Apropos, yes? The wonderfully clever Melanie is doing a group order for us Irish! Thanks Mel! So maybe find people in your country and try the same? Anything to save money! No problem I got a spare one just in case too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
November's Storms Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I would assume that this guy's writing it for himself, and trying to make it the most honest document that he can. Surely he could have left out the stuff that's pissing people off, but then he'd be leaving out a part of himself and his own personality. Is that what people want from a writer? Like, that he should go, 'Green Day fans will be reading this - better not write that I think some of them suck' ? It's not what I want - I'd rather hear someone lay it all out, and I'll take what I take from it. Billie Joe wrote East Jesus Nowhere apparently after attending - if I recall it right - the christening of a friend's child or somesuch. Supposing he'd gone 'better not write this, because it could hurt my friend's feelings'? Suppose Green Day made artistic decisions based on what might offend certain areas of their fanbase, what would we have then? We'd have neutered works of art, who the fuck wants that? Its the fact that he has that opinion that people are annoyed about I think. Too tired right now to think up a more lengthy response but thats basically it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripe Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I agree that this subject has really brought forth some interesting discussion. So I guess we can thank AC and LL for that, at least! Someone brought up the behavior of some of the "superfans" and a misplaced sense of entitlement. I've seen that in action and heard plenty of stories about it, most recently during this last tour. Just because people traveled across the world to see a show and spent tons of money to see a lot of them does not make them better fans or more entitled to things than someone who can only catch them once in their home town. I've listened in on conversations where people are literally trying to "out-story" the others with their concert discussions, where they namedrop people in the support staff. Ew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*withoutadoubt* Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Same here, I loved reading your post and I totally agree with you. Thank you I haven't enjoyed reading posts here like I have in this thread for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
711_Disciple Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Yeah, I assumed that's what you meant....but then again, technically I was 17 and still in school when I first started to plan for Green Day shows! Any 16/17 year old I have met that has gone to lots of concerts has paid for it all themselves too. Every situation is different though, I'm sure there are plenty of teens that are being somewhat funded by their parents to manage to go to some shows. Just thought I'd throw my two cents in about this (and this isn't directed at anyone in particular, I just quoted the first relevant post I saw!). One of the things I love about the community of Green Day fans is that despite the fact that I was only 13 years old when I "discovered" the band, if you will, I never felt that I was excluded or looked down upon because of my age. As long as I knew where to draw the line as far as respecting the band/fans as people, obeyed pit etiquette, and avoided stereotypical "fangirl" behavior, no one ever thought twice about it. I still feel that way. I'm a high school senior, and, yeah, when I have free time/money of my own and there's a Green Day event going on, I'm going to try my damndest to get there. Once I started gaining some semblance of independence (i.e. got my driver's license) I never felt that my age was much of a barrier to anything (well, other than the obvious laws, of course). If we're all in agreement that it's unfair to generalize "middle-aged" fans or what have you, I think it's just as unfair to generalize the younger fans. They're no more silver-spoon-fed kids than the "older" group is armed with "endless expense accounts", to paraphrase...at least, that is, until it's proven otherwise. That's just my take on it. :shug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Livermore Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Thanks again, Tony. As I said on my blog, the superfan part is mostly addressed to Larry... though I didn't make that clear probably in the post. Aaron never used the term superfan, so it was in response mostly to Larry's post. A couple of people in his comments then the term as hammer. I have always hated that word. But, whatever. My use of the term "superfan" was never meant to be derisive or insulting, nor was it an attempt to diminish people by hanging a label on them. It's just that for the sake of economy and fluidity of language, I had to come up with some alternative to "people who travel all over the country and the world attending Green Day and Green Day-related events and may or may not be the people who are referred to in Aaron Cometbus' remarks." "Superfan" seemed like a fairly neutral way of describing those people; it implies neither criticism nor praise, and is certainly more tolerant and objective a term than any of those employed by Aaron. IF, of course, he was talking about any of the same people I was talking about. Which, unless we put him together in a room with everyone here who considers themselves to be a Really Big Fan (better than "superfan?") and ask him straight out, "Are these the people you meant?" And you're correct in assuming that this is probably not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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