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Not true... he also says that some of the creepiest Green Day fans know the names of what he calls the Big Three: Jason White, Jason Freese, Jeff Matika. So, his wariness of Green Day fans presumably extends a little bit deeper than those two paragraphs.

He thinks it's creepy that we know who the Jasons and Jeff are?

...that's just absurd. Especially if you consider how they introduce the entire touring band on a regular basis.

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Not true... he also says that some of the creepiest Green Day fans know the names of what he calls the Big Three: Jason White, Jason Freese, Jeff Matika. So, his wariness of Green Day fans presumably extends a little bit deeper than those two paragraphs.

How can you not know their names/faces when they're introduced to the crowd and put on the screens EVERY NIGHT ? plus, aren't Freese & White in the AI booklet where it lists who played what ? You're not creepy for noticing, you're daft if you don't.

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Not true... he also says that some of the creepiest Green Day fans know the names of what he calls the Big Three: Jason White, Jason Freese, Jeff Matika. So, his wariness of Green Day fans presumably extends a little bit deeper than those two paragraphs.

Because we know Jeff and the Jasons? Billie announces them several times per show, wtf?

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How can you not know their names/faces when they're introduced to the crowd and put on the screens EVERY NIGHT ? plus, aren't Freese & White in the AI booklet where it lists who played what ? You're not creepy for noticing, you're daft if you don't.

Hey, don't ask me! That's what he wrote is all I can say.

Sigh.

Sorry, i'm looking at my copy now and he writes: "Only the most terrifying Green Day groupie would recognize any of the Big Three after they'd stepped offstage."

My bad... but still...

I edited my post above.

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Hey, don't ask me! That's what he wrote is all I can say.

Sigh.

I wasn't aiming that at you ! (I can't do a smiley face 'cos I'm on my phone so just imagine one)

He's just stupid for not noticing something so blindingly obvious. You really don't need to be a super stalker to notice there's 3 extra blokes on the stage.

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okay so it wasn't your exact words but thats still crazy of him to think that

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I wasn't aiming that at you ! (I can't do a smiley face 'cos I'm on my phone so just imagine one)

He's just stupid for not noticing something so blindingly obvious. You really don't need to be a super stalker to notice there's 3 extra blokes on the stage.

ha, no, i didn't mean it that way! no worries!

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Hey, don't ask me! That's what he wrote is all I can say.

Sigh.

Sorry, i'm looking at my copy now and he writes: "Only the most terrifying Green Day groupie would recognize any of the Big Three after they'd stepped offstage."

My bad... but still...

I edited my post above.

Wow, so when I was at AIOB during opening week last April and recognized Freese talking with Adie (and then promptly gave them space, I solemnly swear that while I will gladly take advantage of a natural opportunity to meet'n'greet, which I later did at the right time and in the right way, I WILL NEVER FORCE ONE TO HAPPEN, AARON) I thereby became a "terrifying Green Day groupie"?

WTF :wacko: is about all I have to say.

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I doubt they're gonna run out of it before we get to NY :) I'd love to go to Book Thug Nation anyway so you'll have the chance to buy this issue and tons of other issues/books.

okay, and yesss i'd love that!

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Nobody is arguing over his writing. He is a brilliant writer. TLOTEM was actually one of my least favorite issues. I just found the characters in that story not terribly compelling. Im not sure exactly what "scene" he is keeping alive for you.

I don't think he was meaning to produce characters. I think he was describing the people as he saw them..maybe a little too exaggerated, but that's Cometbus. The scene...just because I wasn't there during that time, it made me feel as though it's still alive. It's sort of hard to explain. I guess it's more of a senitmental thing. That's just me though. When I first went to Berkeley, I fell in love and when I read the Menorah issue..it sort of gave me a sense of home just because he was describing Berkeley and its occupants.

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Whatever. I can terrify Cometbus all I want, since I don't actually care enough about him to ever be a 'terrifying' fan towards him, and I'm only buying his 'zine because he advertised that it had to do with Green Day, that's fine.

All I have to say, is he knew Green Day fans would buy it, and then proceeded to insult them. That's some backass logic. But whatever.

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He's basically talking about the gift of anonymity in the passage, that befalls the Jasons and Jeff, unlike that of Green Day. That they can walk around on the streets and not be harassed, as opposed to BJA, MD, TC. But that not being part of the band, just employees, must be hard on them, too. That I can understand, but then he throws the terrifying Green Day line groupie in between paragraphs as he talks about disappointed fans staring at them trying to find someone actually in the band.

Sigh.

I'm working on a response on my blog to all of this. Not that anyone cares, lol.

And again... I want to stress that overall, this is the best thing I've ever read about Green Day.

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He's basically talking about the gift of anonymity in the passage, that befalls the Jasons and Jeff, unlike that of Green Day. That they can walk around on the streets and not be harassed, as opposed to BJA, MD, TC. But that not being part of the band, just employees, must be hard on them, too. That I can understand, but then he throws the terrifying Green Day line groupie in between paragraphs as he talks about disappointed fans staring at them trying to find someone actually in the band.

Sigh.

I'm working on a response on my blog to all of this. Not that anyone cares, lol.

And again... I want to stress that overall, this is the best thing I've ever read about Green Day.

Hopefully I'll have it soon, because, of course, terrifying stalker groupie fans need to read this and gain an insight.

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I'm absolutely fascinated by the response to this at the moment, and am too spending time thinking and writing about it. It's a subject that hasn't been properly discussed here before as far as i know, for whatever reason.

It makes me think that whether Cometbus was right or wrong to say those things, it's been a good thing in that it's brought out some really interesting and thoughtful discussion here.

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Andres, there are always going to be people you like and dont like in the social circles you travel in. Our Green Day fan world is simply another one of those social circles you travel in. Your choices in how you choose to be a fan does not make you better or worse than how other fans choose to act. You imply that keeping your distance from Green Day activites makes you somehow a better fan in your mind. Be clear, it doesnt. You make your choices, others make theirs. Why judge? If a gaggle of 15-year-olds, 20-year-olds, 50-year-olds want to hound the band for signatures, what fucking skin is it off your nose?

So, to each their own, judging is a waste of energy and does nothing but try to make you feel better about your own choices. Feel secure enough in your own choices without having to bring others down for theirs.

I was not implying that keeping away from Green Day activities made me a better fan, I just think it'd be smarter if people tried to understand personal space and not treating the members of Green Day like pieces of celebrity meat. I just think the band would more appreciate a decent conversation if given the chance (if they were in the mood to being with) than having a gaggle of people yelling at them to sign something like fucking monkeys. Talk about a wasted opportunity.

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I'm absolutely fascinated by the response to this at the moment, and am too spending time thinking and writing about it. It's a subject that hasn't been properly discussed here before as far as i know, for whatever reason.

It makes me think that whether Cometbus was right or wrong to say those things, it's been a good thing in that it's

brought out some really interesting and thoughtful discussion here.

I found doing my massive rant/longest post ever thingy really cathartic. I'm pleased that it's been such a measured debate about quite a heated topic.

And perhaps it might encourage the sort of people that find out where they live/harass them to have a massive think about what they've done and where the boundaries are.

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I was not implying that keeping away from Green Day activities made me a better fan, I just think it'd be smarter if people tried to understand personal space and not treating the members of Green Day like pieces of celebrity meat. I just think the band would more appreciate a decent conversation if given the chance (if they were in the mood to being with) than having a gaggle of people yelling at them to sign something like fucking monkeys. Talk about a wasted opportunity.

gotcha. unfortunately any kind of reasonable-level talk with them is simply not possible, at least for 99.9% of us. oh, and i like meat. especially celebrity meat. tastes like chicken.

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Well gee how could you not know who or recgnise Jason White. I mean his hair makes him stick out like a sore thumb with his big fro like hair. Well damn guess that makes me a super creeper stalker like person since I could be able to recognise him.

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Regardless of what he has said about fans, (and I don't want to know too much before I have read it, it will spoil the story! :lol: ) I still desparately want to read it because I have been reading his zines for the last 6 years and he is a terrific writer despite whatever opinions he has over GD fans. for all I know, I'm probably one of those "creeps"

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Eh, pretty sure everyone on this forum is from now on a terrifying groupie. :D

Though *maybe* saying that people who know the names of the guys who get introduced at least once every show, and two of them are also introduced on that obscure DVD Bullet in a Bible, are terminating, is a tiny bit unreasonable. But that's just me.

[/echoing the rest]

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Eh, pretty sure everyone on this forum is from now on a terrifying groupie. :D

Though *maybe* saying that people who know the names of the guys who get introduced at least once every show, and two of them are also introduced on that obscure DVD, are terminating, is a tiny bit unreasonable. But that's just me.

[/echoing the rest]

He says... recognizing them offstage... not their names... I wrote that wrong and corrected it... ;):pinch:

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He says... recognizing them offstage... not their names... I wrote that wrong and corrected it... ;):pinch:

Oops, sorry. There's not that much of a difference, though, I guess. If you know their names, you probably know what they look like as well (putting a face to the name and everything), thus would recognize them offstage.

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Reading what he said just makes me think that he is insulting the wrong group of fans, I always thought that the GD guys and or their friends wouldn't think that the fans that travel around the world to see them, that know pretty much everything about them (and happen to recognise Jeff, the Jasons and even himself) aren't the ones that should be considered as creepy, annoying, whatever more. I thought those would be the ones that they give credit for, the real massive fans, and I think the band does!

A lot of fans in the GDC are like that, and I have a huge amount of respect to them, I would love to do the same thing as they do, but can't 'cause I don't have the money for it (and I assume nobody is going to stop eating to do such things). It's just crazy for him to generalise and make those assumptions about the fans of a band that isn't even his...

I still really want to get this issue.

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And just to back-track a bit, I really don't have a problem with people going to every event. I said it wasn't for me, but if that's how people want to spend their money - of course I have no problem with them doing it. I know people enjoy it. My only complaint was how people treat the band, and I agree with achin' to be who suggested that some people feel entitled to something just because they're willing to spend a lot more money for Green Day stuff than other people. Other than those two things, I have absolutely no problem with people spending their time and their money how they want.

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