solongfromthestars Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I agree with what people said about Christian and Gloria being more determined and stuff. Even when everything's gone wrong they decide that it's ok because they've still got each other. Whatsername just cleared off when she got fed up and JOS didn't really try to stop her. They're still good characters though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angela. Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I prefer the AI plot and Whatsername/JOS more. While I like Christian and Gloria, I think I relate to AI's characters more. 21stCB's concept of having anger and anxiety over the future but pulling through it in a positive way is great. However, there's something more... raw and real that I feel about AI's plot and characters. They don't necessarily get a happy ending, which is how it works most of the time in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadoxAndPlaid Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Yeah, and with See The Light being the last song, it's gives me the feeling that there's still hope for them yaknow? Exactly. See The Light is all about this epic adventure of trying to discover yourself and what to live for. Whatsername on the other hand -don't get me wrong it's a beautiful song- dwells on the past and loss and regrets. And anytime I hear it I think, "NO! it's not over, you have time, go fix it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 vigilantes warning ya ... calling Cristian and GLORA! yeah, i like 21st CB more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margo 39 smooth Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Yeah she just seems to have a much prettier personality doesn't she? I think I got this idea from their title songs. I mean, the first you hear of Whatsername is a rocky riff with the lyrics 'She's a rebel!" and the first you hear of Gloria is a twinkly piano and a gentle "Hey, Gloria...?" as though Billie's asking her if she's okay. That to me paints a much sweeter picture of her character, regardless if later on it suggests she's a strong peronality too. Ya and in the song Viva La Gloria! she seems like a tougher, more independant person which is what i like about her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSaltOfTheEarth Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Never really thought about this before.... On a normal day I would say JOS and Whatsername and the AI story but when I think about it... I think I like the American Idiot story line better because you can actually tell that's its a story and it's got an actual PLOT. Not only that, but it's just the perfect coming of age story, and so many people can relate to it, y'know? It's like there's this 'everyman' and he gets tired of this shitty life and he wants something MORE, something to believe in, he runs away, and all this shit happens and he ends up back where he began but a better person because of it. It leaves you feeling...I can't describe it. Both happy and sad and confused as well, I guess. But it's just the most amazing album and story and everything. What it is with Christian and Gloria is the whole Jimmy vs Whatsername, Rage vs Love thing all over again, but more pronounced this time. There's Gloria, who wants to light the torch, wants the greater good, like Whatsername, who's more with the 'love driven side' of rebellion. Though Gloria seems like a more...fragile, feminine? character. Prettier, sort of. Then there's Christian who is letting his inner demons take over and is hateful and self-destructive, like St. Jimmy but even worse in ways. He's completely destructive but there's also that part of him that's vulnerable too, that you don't see in Jimmy (Christian's crying in the bathroom...) And you see what a sort of calming effect Gloria has on Christian. So I find Christian and Gloria a lot more INTRIGUING than JOS and Whatsername. But I like St Jimmy the best out of everyone In AI, the story is more developed, but in 21stCB the CHARACTERS are more developed. So I like Christian and Gloria the characters better, but AI the story better. Final thought: With the 21st story, it's more of a symbolic story rather than an actual plot, rock-opera story, in my opinion. It's just a loose concept, so people can interpret it how they want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holly Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I prefer the AI storyline, I feel has far more of a story to follow and JoS and Whatsername are more important to the plot than Gloria and Christian. Although I do love the 21CB story, and my car is called Gloria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Billiejoezee- Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 So far I'm actually looking at things differently with everyones thoughts. Nice!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kate_ochoxx Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 hmmm this is soooo hard i love Gloria because she sound so independent according to LOTAG and i dont really like Whatsername, in the JOS video she kinda looked like a whore.. on the other hand JOS is my favorite out of those two I actully dont really like Christian As them as a couple I'd have to go with Christian and Gloria because what i understood is that they got back together plus they are so cute on the album cover and wasnt Whatsername cheating on JOS? They seemed to have a rough relationship anyways so yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan86 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I still don't really get the story of 21st Century Breakdown, jos & whatsername FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvgirlcl Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 In terms of storyline, AI because it's more clear and defined, whereas 21CB is more loose and open to interpretation. But character wise, I prefer Christian and Gloria, because they sort of feel more defined, maybe? A little more profound? Even if it's not told like the whole story like with JOS and Whatsername (who I don't really like, partially because I'm convinced she wasn't real), in the few songs they are described, I like Christian and Gloria better, they feel more mature than JOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margo 39 smooth Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Never really thought about this before.... On a normal day I would say JOS and Whatsername and the AI story but when I think about it... I think I like the American Idiot story line better because you can actually tell that's its a story and it's got an actual PLOT. Not only that, but it's just the perfect coming of age story, and so many people can relate to it, y'know? It's like there's this 'everyman' and he gets tired of this shitty life and he wants something MORE, something to believe in, he runs away, and all this shit happens and he ends up back where he began but a better person because of it. It leaves you feeling...I can't describe it. Both happy and sad and confused as well, I guess. But it's just the most amazing album and story and everything. What it is with Christian and Gloria is the whole Jimmy vs Whatsername, Rage vs Love thing all over again, but more pronounced this time. There's Gloria, who wants to light the torch, wants the greater good, like Whatsername, who's more with the 'love driven side' of rebellion. Though Gloria seems like a more...fragile, feminine? character. Prettier, sort of. Then there's Christian who is letting his inner demons take over and is hateful and self-destructive, like St. Jimmy but even worse in ways. He's completely destructive but there's also that part of him that's vulnerable too, that you don't see in Jimmy (Christian's crying in the bathroom...) And you see what a sort of calming effect Gloria has on Christian. So I find Christian and Gloria a lot more INTRIGUING than JOS and Whatsername. But I like St Jimmy the best out of everyone In AI, the story is more developed, but in 21stCB the CHARACTERS are more developed. So I like Christian and Gloria the characters better, but AI the story better. Final thought: With the 21st story, it's more of a symbolic story rather than an actual plot, rock-opera story, in my opinion. It's just a loose concept, so people can interpret it how they want to. I couldnt agree more. Especially with the Christian and Gloria's charectors. I think that they make a better couple because christian is a bit destructive but Gloria keeps him grounded. Where as Whatsername and JOS are kinda too destructive as a couple and thats why it didnt really turn out too well for them. I guess Christian and Gloria paint a prettier picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie, get your gun Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I will always choose Jesus & Whatsername and the history of American Idiot. It's true that they have a 'tragic' end, but they were first. I mean, they start something legendary, something painful but really strong. Both couples can't be compared, obviously, they're different, even when they're all punks. To me, Christian & Gloria are a little too much, like something predictable, i don't know... GO JOS & WHATSERNAME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDJonny Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I preferred JOS and Whatsername, they were more distinctive within American Idiot, Christian and Gloria in 21CB were (for me) less important, and I felt the band focused more on the music then the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketPower Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I gotta go with 21CB because as a writer, I like having a little bit of elbow room in my music so I can imagine my own plotline. Some people complain that 21CB was too vague, but it was just vague enough for me so that I could fly it like a KITE (lol). Not to mention, AI has kinda been beaten into the ground with a metal bat... but I still love it. Gotta see the musical, y'know? Speaking of which- AI= better musical/movie. 21CB= better book (probably, anyway...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clairemarie Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I gotta go with 21CB because as a writer, I like having a little bit of elbow room in my music so I can imagine my own plotline. Some people complain that 21CB was too vague, but it was just vague enough for me so that I could fly it like a KITE (lol). Not to mention, AI has kinda been beaten into the ground with a metal bat... but I still love it. Gotta see the musical, y'know? Speaking of which- AI= better musical/movie. 21CB= better book (probably, anyway...) Oh goodness, that would be utterly fantatsic if 21st CB was a book! I'd buy it in a heartbeat. But yes, I do agree with you. I liked Christian and Gloria better as a couple as well. I felt like they actually had some meaning to them and were able to take action, as opposed to Jesus of Suburbia and Whatsername. But looking at these times in America (reffereing to when they were realeased) and what we were going through as a country, I think both couples resonate with many people because of those specific time periods. (Or at least they do for me.) Granted, 21 CB is my favorite Green Day album so, I'll probably always favor it slightly more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinu Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I prefer American Idiot's story and characters.Well I don't see a story in 21st Century Breakdown,its importance is lyrics I think.I'm not saying American Idiot's lyrics are bad,they are awsome too but I don't know how can I tell what I mean.and American Idiot's characters appeal to me more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Billiejoezee- Posted October 27, 2010 Author Share Posted October 27, 2010 I gotta go with 21CB because as a writer, I like having a little bit of elbow room in my music so I can imagine my own plotline. Some people complain that 21CB was too vague, but it was just vague enough for me so that I could fly it like a KITE (lol). Not to mention, AI has kinda been beaten into the ground with a metal bat... but I still love it. Gotta see the musical, y'know? Speaking of which- AI= better musical/movie. 21CB= better book (probably, anyway...) Yes, AI seems more like a movie and 21stCB seems like a book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Class-Of-13 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 i love Christian and Gloria but i can relate more to JOS and Whatsername so i have to go with them. plus their relationship is portrayed much clearer throughout the lyrics whereas in 21CB, for some of the songs you have to read into the lyrics a lot more to extract their story and relationship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anja Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 AI all the way! The storyline appeals to me a lot more, it's so inspiring to me in a lot of ways and I also think the storyline is kinda "clearer". If you asked me about the characters of 21st CB, I would have no idea how to describe them or how to describe the story. It's easier to me to get an idea of what Jimmy/JoS is like from hearing the songs or reading the lyrics. It's pure punk rock to me, rage and love. 21st CB has actually never really been a concept album to me cause I can't really see the story going through the whole album. Or maybe I'm too stoopid to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachel Nimrod Armstrong Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I prefer JOS and Whatsername cause i really like the whole stroyline of AI and I kinda relate to it more..But i also like Christian and Gloria but i dont relate to them as much tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 JOS and whatsername, cos i can kinda relate to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie May Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I really like both so it's hard to choose, but I think I'd have to go with JOS and Whatsername because I prefer their storyline. To me the girl in the JOS video just isn't Whatsername, I know she's probably supposed to be, but it doesn't make much sense 'cause in the album JOS doesn't meet her until "She's A Rebel," so why is she there at the start The girl in the video seems to me like a girlfriend JOS has in the begining and she's just another person he's running away from. I love that "Whatsername" is the female character's name, she's so mysterious that you don't even know what her name is which I think is really cool. I prefer her and JOS as well because they have the whole struggle with St. Jimmy which makes things more interesting. I also like that they break up before the end and he wonders about her ages later, I just think it's so much more tragic and romantic /chesse. I don't like happy endings Chrisitian and Gloria are great charcters too, they're really not that different from the AI characters I think, except they do less 21st Century Breakdown for the win. JOS and Whatsername are idiots, lol. At least Gloria stands up for what she believes in and at least Christian remembers her name!!! Final thought: With the 21st story, it's more of a symbolic story rather than an actual plot, rock-opera story, in my opinion. It's just a loose concept, so people can interpret it how they want to. Yeah that's what I think. What Christian and Gloria symbolise is more important than who they are, to me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Banana Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I find the character of Gloria amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityof_lust17 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 JOS and Whatshername. I think AI storyline was just a lot clearer and more discriptive i love it all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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