Lithium Doll Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 to be honest, and i guess i would have to see the full article that this excerpt was pulled from, i dont think he was necessarily saying that he's bisexual as in "i have had or would have sex with men"... i think it was just a bigger statement on how human sexuality is more complex than "gay" or "straight".. that theres a lot of natural reasons why we want to fuck each other, but gender isnt one of them... and that going one way or the other is learned behaviour... like when he says "i've always been bi" he means that we as people are all "bi" - not gay or straight - even if we dont think so, or dont act on it.. and when he says "it's something i've always been interested in", i dont think he necessarily means that he's interested in men, just that he's interested in understanding human sexuality...i'll stop now before i start sounding too stupid... and hopefully any lgbt people on this site wont get mad at me for suggesting that this interview excerpt might not necessarily mean that billie joe is "one of them" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian+Scandal Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 to be honest, and i guess i would have to see the full article that this excerpt was pulled from, i dont think he was necessarily saying that he's bisexual as in "i have had or would have sex with men"... i think it was just a bigger statement on how human sexuality is more complex than "gay" or "straight".. that theres a lot of natural reasons why we want to fuck each other, but gender isnt one of them... and that going one way or the other is learned behaviour... like when he says "i've always been bi" he means that we as people are all "bi" - not gay or straight - even if we dont think so, or dont act on it.. and when he says "it's something i've always been interested in", i dont think he necessarily means that he's interested in men, just that he's interested in understanding human sexuality...i'll stop now before i start sounding too stupid... and hopefully any lgbt people on this site wont get mad at me for suggesting that this interview excerpt might not necessarily mean that billie joe is "one of them"Read away. It's really not taken out of context, sorry. FULL ARTICLE:---------------------------------------------------------Coming CleanWoodstock ’94 star Billie Joe of Green Day goes triple platinum and lines up with the pansiesBy Judy Wieder From The Advocate, January 24, 1995 When Green Day, the band that emerged as the mud-drenched stars of Woodstock ’94, asked Pansy Division, the gay-in-your-face punk group, to open for them during the last leg of their 1994 tour, all sorts of worlds collided. In coast-to-coast mosh pits, sweaty hetero teenagers with pierced nipples, eyebrows, and tongues slammed against the bodies of young gays and lesbians who looked exactly like them.“The funny thing was watching some of these guys in the audience when Pansy Division was opening for us,” says 22-year-old Billie Joe Armstrong (known to his adoring fans as only Billy Joe), front man and main songwriter for Green Day. “They were out there flexing their muscles and acting real macho, not really realizing that Pansy Division is gay. Then Chris Freeman, Pansy’s bass player, would stop in the middle of a song and say, “ So, have you guys figured out that we’re a bunch of fags yet?”Armstrong laughs, delighted to have discovered still another way to rankle his band’s fans--who have driven sales of Green Day’s first major-label release, Dookie, well past the 3 million mark. Thanks to both Woodstock and last summer’s Lollapalooza tour, the Northern California band--made up of Armstrong on guitar and vocals, Mike Dirnt on bass, and Tré Cool on drums—has gone from the steamy clubs of the East Bay hard-core scene to 10,000-seaters and MTV heavy-rotation heaven.“I think Green Day’s popularity is one reason they invited us to open for them,” says Pansy Division lead singer Jon Ginoli. “Now that they’re more mainstream, they have elements in their audience they’d rather not have,” he adds, shyly, referring to a certain blandness that comes with broadened popularity. “I think having us along lets them tweak that part of the audience. They’re able to get under their skin and irritate them, saying, ‘If you’re going to see us, you’ve gotta see this!’ “Getting under people’s skin is a carefully honed skill for Armstrong. After being knocked silly by flying wads of mud during Woodstock, the sometimes-blue-haired vocalist looked over at his drummer (whose tooth had been inadvertently broken by a festival security guard trying to discourage fans from storming the stage) and bassist (who was still trying to play while laying flat on his back in the sludge) and did the only respectable thing he could think of: He mooned the 350,000 onlookers.While punk thrives on thumbing its nose at convention, the surprisingly serious Armstrong insists that bringing Pansy Division on the road with Green Day was not just a gimmick to shock fans. Before their switch to a mainstream label (Reprise), Green Day did two albums for Lookout Records, the same label Pansy Division is on. They also share with Pansy Division a commitment to what they call personal politics.“I think Pansy Division is the kind of band that saves people’s lives,” Armstrong says matter-of-factly. “They’re catchy, and they’re really educational. They’re honest about their sexuality, and that saves lives.”“Sometimes it gets kind of ugly because there are a lot of ignorant dorks out in the audience, and they start throwing shit at Pansy Division,” he continues, discussing the tour. “I was kind of discouraged watching the audience flip them off. I kept thinking, Shit, these are the people who are here to see us?”Armstrong’s response was to stop his band’s show in the middle of a set and address the audience. “You’re all fucking pathetic,” he told them. “There you were, three songs into their set, really enjoying them. And then you figured out from their lyrical content that they’re gay, and now you’re afraid of them. And that’s what it is, you know. You’re afraid of them. Well, I hope you all know that Pansy Division is the future of rock ’n’ roll.”For Armstrong, who grew up with band member Dirnt in a suburb of Berkeley called Rodeo, homosexuality is neither a new subject nor one he must defend himself against. “I think I’ve always been bisexual,” Armstrong says simply. “I mean, it’s something that I’ve always been interested in. I think everybody kind of fantasizes about the same sex. I think people are born bisexual, and it’s just that our parents and society kind of veer us off into this feeling of Oh, I can’t. They say it’s taboo. It’s ingrained in our heads that it’s bad, when it’s not bad at all. It’s a very beautiful thing.”When asked whether this beautiful thing is something he’s ever actually acted on, the recently married (and about to become a father) Armstrong smiles. “I think mostly it’s been kept in my head,” he says. “I’ve never really had a relationship with another man. But it is something that comes up as a struggle in me. It especially came up when I was about 16 or 17. In high school people think you have to be so macho. People get attacked just because someone insinuates something about their sexuality. I think that’s gruesome.”Armstrong’s struggle with his sexuality isn’t something that has gone unnoticed by his fans. “I’ve gotten letters because I wrote this song on Dookie called ‘Coming Clean’ about coming out,” he says with the same ease that Kurt Cobain used to show while talking about his song “All Apologies” and the now-famous lyric from it: “What else should I say/ Everyone is gay.”“Talking about sexuality, Kurt was doing something good,” Armstrong continues. “Or k.d. lang. I admire her a lot. Or Melissa Etheridge, who was at Woodstock. She’s doing something really good and really positive. And then there are gay rockers who are really blatant about it, like Pansy Division or this San Francisco band called White Trash Debutantes. They’re not on any label yet, but they’re really erotic, and they’re made up of gay men and women.”Although he doesn’t talk about sleeping with men, Armstrong does admit that homosexuality has definitely touched his life in very personal ways. “I have an ex-girlfriend who was bisexual,” he says softly. “I think now that she was really a lesbian. And that’s find by me. I mean, we had a relationship that was just me and her, total dedication and devotion. I’m very monogamous. At that time it wouldn’t have mattered whether she was with a man or a woman--I would have been jealous!”Armstrong also has a gay uncle. “It was always out in the open that he was gay,” he says with some hesitancy. “I’m pretty close to him, and he has full-blown AIDS now.”Admitting that the rock world still reeks of prejudice against gays and AIDS, Armstrong wonders out loud if he dares to approach the subject in his songwriting. “I’m not really educated enough to write about AIDS, but I certainly could write about losing someone who’s close to me,” he says, rubbing his tattooed forearm thoughtfully. “I’m more the type of person who would write about how ignorant and stupid people are about something like AIDS. I’m always telling the people in our audience to look out for one another. Yeah--I wouldn’t put it past me to write about this shit.”---------------------------------------------Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20050309020312/...eenday672_3.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lithium Doll Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 i read the article and i still think it was taken out of context, so i stand by what i said.... billie joe having an open mind about sexuality is not the same thing as david bowie saying "i took a guy from school into my room and fucked him" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian+Scandal Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 i read the article and i still think it was taken out of context, so i stand by what i said.... billie joe having an open mind about sexuality is not the same thing as david bowie saying "i took a guy from school into my room and fucked him"Lol. Perhaps not, but Billie probably wanted to do that at points. He just never did.Basically what it comes down to is he's identified himself as bi. It's affected him as far as struggling with it goes, so to me, that means he's bi. I'll take his word for it. But again this just comes back to whether you believe you can be bi without ever having had sex with the same sex. We've been debating that for a while in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I recently clicked on a link to a story that was like part 23/44 or something on a livejournal community. Billie was 16 and pregnant with Mike's baby. At the end of the chapter he went into labor. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. I think I was mostly just making weird yelping noises. What the actual fuck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMacy'sDayParade Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I actually find it odd that he never really touched upon his sexuality after giving that interview ages ago. You'd expect at least one more fleeting comment.or is that just me being stupid, I mean I don't mention my bisexuality all the time.You're bisexual? good!!! mee too,why do u think most of the green day fans are bi???? oh wait, i have a new topic, i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie May Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I've never actually read the end of that article before, I thought I'd read all of it, thanks for posting. “There you were, three songs into their set, really enjoying them. And then you figured out from their lyrical content that they’re gay, and now you’re afraid of them. And that’s what it is, you know. You’re afraid of them. Well, I hope you all know that Pansy Division is the future of rock ’n’ roll.”I love that part of the interview, I think it's great that he said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyDo666 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 God loves you Billie! He's such a beautiful person, inside and out. I know that sounds really corny, but it's true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Lol. Perhaps not, but Billie probably wanted to do that at points. He just never did.Basically what it comes down to is he's identified himself as bi. It's affected him as far as struggling with it goes, so to me, that means he's bi. I'll take his word for it. But again this just comes back to whether you believe you can be bi without ever having had sex with the same sex. We've been debating that for a while in this thread.Yeah exactly. If he says he's bi, who are we to say he isn't? A person's sexuality isn't defined by who they've slept with, it's defined by who they feel attracted to inside their head. Is a straight person not straight until they lose their virginity? Of course not! Likewise, a man can feel attracted to men as well as women but never choose to act on those feelings - they're still bisexual. He's clearly identified himself as bisexual. Who he's slept with, and his wider feelings on sexuality, make no difference to that. If he said he is, he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Billiejoezee- Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I sorta wonder these days.....If billie still considers himself Bisexual.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian+Scandal Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I sorta wonder these days.....If billie still considers himself Bisexual....Who knows. When it was brought up last May he just sort of brushed it off. My guess is that he is (I don't believe sexually can really be changed), but it doesn't really matter since he's been committed to the same woman for 15 years now. I just thought about him talking about that guy who he made out with back in '05 or '04 on TRL Germany last year and how "it was a nice kiss"... That kiss was hilarious! The dude surprised mouth raped Billie and then Billie got the better of the dude and returned the sexual assault but with tongue. Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minorty13 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Put it this way...I read one and it was about Tre and Adrienne having some weird, fucked up affair. (it was fan lit) it was so graphically written and she had the affair because apparently Billie was too busy being "punk" to be with her.then weirdo's posted links to the images and oh god *fetal position and thumb sucking have stopped me from continuing this post*That's just a bit horrifying ^Thank you for posting the entire article, and yea, I agree that it's more centered toward his opinioin on sexuality rather than his own really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxy Crimefighter Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 You're bisexual? good!!! mee too,why do u think most of the green day fans are bi???? oh wait, i have a new topic, i guessSpeaking of people struggling with sexuality and seeing it as a passing fad,....Wheres my gun?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddy. Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Speaking of people struggling with sexuality and seeing it as a passing fad,....Wheres my gun?!Exactly. I can't stand people rabbitting on about how they're ~different~ because they're bi. Everyone's fucking different, get over yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_all_is_well_ Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Honeslty i love the LGBT community you know whatever... But it IS starting to become "cool" or a fad. all these celebraties have come out and girls at school make out with each other and brag... and i dont know if this makes any sense, but it puts real bis to shame.Not saying everyone one at school is lying or all the "celebraties" are either. Just saying i think people do see it as cool now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxy Crimefighter Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Exactly. I can't stand people rabbitting on about how they're ~different~ because they're bi. Everyone's fucking different, get over yourself!Totally agreed.Considering I got shit heaped on me for my sexuality and to see that it is now seen as "cool" makes me raise an eyebrow.For fucks sake I used my sexuality as an example and that happens, that whole thing just rubs my fur the wrong way (not literally, I'm not a cat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What-sa-name? Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 I'm actually speechless. My fucking god. Fanfiction has been the first thing ever to make me speechless.sigged.Be afraid people, be very afraid.Totally agreed.Considering I got shit heaped on me for my sexuality and to see that it is now seen as "cool" makes me raise an eyebrow.For fucks sake I used my sexuality as an example and that happens, that whole thing just rubs my fur the wrong way (not literally, I'm not a cat)Trust me, you're not the only one.And if you're with a bunch of people, guys always expect you to make out with some random chick.It pisses me off when they do that.and before you all think I'm one of those people who did it to be "cool",I was bi before Katy Perry came along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian+Scandal Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 I was bi before Katy Perry came along.Stupid, Katy Perry. That song was my enemy for the longest time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SexyBIbiatch Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 Stupid, Katy Perry. That song was my enemy for the longest time.Yeah, I hate it too. And the worst thing is that (back in the time) wherever you go you will hear that song :/She just took advantage. I wish that coming out were that easy as singing the chorus of that catchy song :down: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What-sa-name? Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 <!--quoteo(post=3641024:date=Feb 20 2010, 08:21 PM:name=Bohemian+Scandal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bohemian+Scandal @ Feb 20 2010, 08:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3641024"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Stupid, Katy Perry. <img src="http://www.greendaycommunity.org/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="dry.gif" /> That song was my enemy for the longest time.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, I hate it too. And the worst thing is that (back in the time) wherever you go you will hear that song <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":/" border="0" alt="confused.gif" /> She just took advantage. I wish that coming out were that easy as singing the chorus of that catchy song <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/down.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":down:" border="0" alt="down.gif" /> . It's a skidmark on the underwear of the music industry. Someone find the bleach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxy Crimefighter Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 It's a skidmark on the underwear of the music industry. Someone find the bleach! Welcome to the froum Senor' Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mandajane Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 i think that billie is saying that most people fight sexuality. most people feel that they need to be only attracted to the opposite sex. he seems to be more about embracing sexuality then trying to hide it. i know that billie joe and green day have helped me understand my sexuality SO much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemakerpunkgirl Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 It took for a long time, but I read all of the 6 pages, and I'm on side that he Is, and the marrige doesn't change somebody's mind, and I know maybe nowadays he would maybe say something else, but the fact is fact. And now I don't really care about that he is bi or not, cuz that's his business, but I know (@mandajane, you're right) he helped me a lot. I'm 18 and it's really not easy to understand the world, and not even myself. ps: someone wrote all of the gd member are bi, but I don't think so, I'm pretty sure Tre is, but Mike isn't, really not. In my opinion.So that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty Laughter Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Who knows. When it was brought up last May he just sort of brushed it off. My guess is that he is (I don't believe sexually can really be changed), but it doesn't really matter since he's been committed to the same woman for 15 years now. Sorry, I just found this thread... when was this sexuality thing brought up? I really have no idea what you're talking about & I really would like to know I mean... what was the context... someone asked him or what? (: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_cigarettes&valentines Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 This quote always makes me so proud to be a Green Day fan. <img src="http://www.greendaycommunity.org/Forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="happy.gif" /> Me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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