Did Green Day sell out?

[Guest Metal Heart]

^could i ask you to use PM for talk with your old friend?

[M.J.]

Who gives a shit?

The Who sold out and everyone loves them!

Amen.

[Guest KillEmAll]

Amen. I agree completely. Some people seem to think that becuase they are succesfull, they're sellouts. They're not. Like you said, they're doing what they've wrote about for years, and they've earned what they have. They still stand for everything they did when they first started out. They're still punk. The music's still great, so why should we worry?

Compare Green day to real punk (Dead kennedies). They're not punk, none of you scene kids would listin to them. Personally i'd rather live in a box and play in a real band than play in green day.. unless I could somehow get a chance at killing billie joe if I was playing in green day. (just kidding about last part)

^could i ask you to use PM for talk with your old friend?

I didn't know who it was so I was checking, and I don't really care if I spam up these forums or not. I couldn't possibly make them worse than they already are.

[Guest Metal Heart]

unless I could somehow get a chance at killing billie joe if I was playing in green day. (just kidding about last part)

Good you made that remark about you were kidding, cause you know otherwise you would get shitload of angree teens on your tail

I didn't know who it was so I was checking, and I don't really care if I spam up these forums or not. I couldn't possibly make them worse than they already are.

well, if you think it's bad in here why don't you just suit yourself to leave?

[Guest KillEmAll]

Good you made that remark about you were kidding, cause you know otherwise you would get shitload of angree teens on your tail

well, if you think it's bad in here why don't you just suit yourself to leave?

I'm only kidding because I know i'd never get away with it.

..and I don't leave because I need a fun place to flame.. the myspace forums got boring

[Guest Metal Heart]

I'm only kidding because I know i'd never get away with it.

you never know, heh

..and I don't leave because I need a fun place to flame.. the myspace forums got boring

well if you to stay here, then at least make it easy for others and btw - you could flame an GD as much as you want, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I just ask you to tolerate the rules of this place, deal?

[Guest KillEmAll]

you never know, heh

well if you to stay here, then at least make it easy for others and btw - you could flame an GD as much as you want, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I just ask you to tolerate the rules of this place, deal?

There are rules? All I saw was something about everyone on here being assholes(in the agreement terms) which is pretty much true, ecspecialy since a mod called me a "prick" on my last account <I never said anything about a previous ban>.

[suicidexmakeover]

Personally i'd rather live in a box and play in a real band than play in green day.. unless I could somehow get a chance at killing billie joe if I was playing in green day. (just kidding about last part)

See, you have a good argument, you're putting your opinions across, I'm just about to take you seriously and then you say a retarded thing like that. Joke or not, you're just making people ridicule your opinions even more.

[Guest Metal Heart]

There are rules? All I saw was something about everyone on here being assholes(in the agreement terms) which is pretty much true, ecspecialy since a mod called me a "prick" on my last account and IP banned me.

well, maybe you deserved it last time. for now i see that you and your friend could be pretty interesting to talk to, you do have a good taste in music. i saw your choices the other day but, yeah there are people who actually like GD not for their recent stuff only, saying that - you wouldn't like if i start to throw shit at one of your favorite bands, would you?

[Guest KillEmAll]

Err, I meant that other guy...

well, maybe you deserved it last time. for now i see that you and your friend could be pretty interesting to talk to, you do have a good taste in music. i saw your choices the other day but, yeah there are people who actually like GD not for their recent stuff only, saying that - you wouldn't like if i start to throw shit at one of your favorite bands, would you?

Flame post-black metallica all you want they're as much of sell-out losers a green day now. They sold their soul to the devil (A.K.A. Bob Rock) for greater popularity.. just like green day sold their souls to reprise(reprise got a sucky deal because they they didn't have much of a musical soul in the first place) But metallica was much more awesome/had more good albums (4 compared to to 2) than green day before the sold out. However, I'd take St. Anger to American Idiot ANYDAY.

[Guest Metal Heart]

Err, I meant that other guy...

you know what i think about sell outs? I think eventually every big band (I mean huge in the terms of their talant) would come to this stage. look at what happened to Scorpions or to Ozzy. that happenes as soon as they have a taste of money

[Guest KillEmAll]

you know what i think about sell outs? I think eventually every big band (I mean huge in the terms of their talant) would come to this stage. look at what happened to Scorpions or to Ozzy. that happenes as soon as they have a taste of money

Not Megadeth, they had a few poppy albums but they never sold out. I don't believe Zeppelin did either.. or Nirvana..(at least before Cobain's murder)

[Guest Metal Heart]

Not Megadeth, they had a few poppy albums but they never sold out. I don't believe Zeppelin did either.. or Nirvana..(at least before Cobain's murder)

well, Dave is pretty unique and inspirational, don't you think? I just admire him a lot. But see even they(Megadeth) went through that stage. It's to their great honor that they had a guts to change back.

[Guest KillEmAll]

well, Dave is pretty unique and inspirational, don't you think? I just admire him a lot. But see even they(Megadeth) went through that stage. It's to their great honor that they had a guts to change back.

Yeah I know TSHF is easily Megadeth's 3rd best album after Rust in peace, Peace sells. I also agree with the fact that he's a rather unique person (Dave) I hope he someday writes an autobiography.

I'm hoping Metallica changes back soon, they dumped bob rock as their producer for their new album, however he's still their manager...

[Guest Metal Heart]

Yeah I know TSHF is easily Megadeth's 3rd best album after Rust in peace, Peace sells. I also agree with the fact that he's a rather unique person (Dave) I hope he someday writes an autobiography.

I'm hoping Metallica changes back soon, they dumped bob rock as their producer for their new album, however he's still their manager...

yap, i am kinda excited about that fact and in anticipation of Metallica new album, will see what they'll bring on.

As for GD - they're still pretty young and would come back to their roots, if not - then i would add my voice to yours in flaming them.

[Guess_Who]

Personally? I think they peaked during the Insomniac era and after that went in a slow but steady downfall.

Nimrod was... okay. From 39/Smooth to Insomniac they got progressively more punk-rock, but with Nimrod they became a little more pop. With Warning, they were bordering folk-rock, especially with the title track. Shenanigans lifted it up a little, but not much. American Idiot turned away from the soft, folky music they had began doing and started putting out some distortion again. Few songs on American Idiot have any kind of complexity to them, though, in terms of how difficult the song is to play on the instrument. I'd say the most complex songs on that whole album were Wake Me Up, Homecoming, and Boulevard of Broken Dreams, POSSIBLY Extraordinary Girl. Wake Me Up was an excellent song in its original context, but the music video absolutely ruined it. BoBD was not a particularly good song in my opinion. The only one that stands out to me as something special is Homecoming, easily my favorite song on the whole album. Lyrically, several songs on American Idiot show just how much of a sell-out the album is, especially American Idiot and BoBD.

In a way, yes. With American Idiot, they did sell out. There were not many notable songs on that album, IMO. Whereas I love all of Dookie and Insomniac (with Insomniac being my personal favorite album), there are only a few songs on American Idiot I bother listening to (Wake Me Up, Homecoming, Whatsername, Extraordinary Girl, Saint Jimmy, and Letterbomb, mostly).

Now I'll sit and wait to get flamed by teenies for saying GD sold out.

[justcause]

Nimrod was... okay. From 39/Smooth to Insomniac they got progressively more punk-rock, but with Nimrod they became a little more pop. With Warning, they were bordering folk-rock, especially with the title track. Shenanigans lifted it up a little, but not much.

I love Nimrod - I always think of it is as their most perfect album, because it has different moods and styles, and all of them fully realised, produced to just the right level, tight and streamlined - classy, somehow, but still

with an edge. It's like a more mature Dookie.

I would be an Insomniac fanatic, and I think of it as a concept album without the name, because it's an almost continuous expression of a particular state of mind. It's punk-slanted, and I love that sound, plus it fits perfectly with the themes of the album - isolation, paranoia, personality disintegration, self-loathing, distress, to name a few.

While I wouldn't call myself a major fan of Warning, it still has some of GD's finest songs - Waiting and Minority

among them, and 'bordering on folk-rock' - jeez, no! It feels flat and low on energy, but it's still fucking GD.

[Guest KillEmAll]

yap, i am kinda excited about that fact and in anticipation of Metallica new album, will see what they'll bring on.

As for GD - they're still pretty young and would come back to their roots, if not - then i would add my voice to yours in flaming them.

They're too far from punk to ever really go back. IMO

[InsomniacN14]

Well, it seems to me that people who call Green day sellouts don't really grasp the meaning of the term. Selling out doesn't mean making a lot of money, it means throwing out your values and beliefs. If you stay to true to your artistic integrity and ethical values, you haven't sold out. It doesn't matter how much money you've made.

Seconded, they deffinitely haven't sold out out, because they (allegedly, at least) put their opinions and beliefs into American Idiot.

[Green*Day*Freak]

how can a band that :

writes their own music,

plays their own music and

makes their own music ................sell out?

green day's music has always been punk and has always reflected them at a certain piont in their lives and has alwys been 100% GREEN DAY!!!!!!!!!

i dont think that sounds like a bunch of sell-outs to me.

[Silent-Rebel]

"I hate them because they helped turn punk corperate, they didn't sell out because they were assholes to begin with, they were looking to get famous and sell that shit out. Same thing goes with anti-flag and rage against the machine. They do write to sell music and please people, if they didnt, they wouldnt sell any records. That's the way music works, trust me. Also, Green Day has flat out stolen other bands guitar riffs. All this shit you're talking about could just as easily apply to any other shitty band like simple plan or and of that rediculous shit. Selling out is buying into a corperation, and following their rules, which Green Day does, or they wouldnt be on a label. Selling out is signing a contract with a major record label. Most of their music isn't that bad really, except their new shit is horrible, but the classic stuff still sounds good... it doesn't mean they aren't sell outs.

Think. "

That is what that one dude said, right? :verymad:

Well, I have MANY things to say to that. First of all, they were not looking to get famous for any reason, all they ever wanted was to play music---good music, for that matter. Green Day does NOT write to please other people, they play music to please themselves, to write/play what they feel like and what's going on in their lives. That's what they do, and they still sell many records, MANY---not because they want to please people, not because they want to sell music, but because people can actually realte to them. People can realte to them because they are telling the truth, the lyrics come from their hearts. People wouldn't like Green Day if they were "fake", and just doing what they do for the money. Hell, I wouldn't like them either if they did it for money, and only money. Which they don't, thank you very much.

Yes, Green Day does have a good record label....but they worked hard to get it. They became big all by themselves, working as hard as they can...

In my opinion, I think Green Day wouldn't care at all if they didn't have any attention from the world right now, but if they could just play beautiful music, then they would be happy. So don't judge Green Day unless you actually KNOW them.

I would go on, but you get my point....

POINT BEING: Green Day are NOT sellouts!

Period.

[OneThatYouLoathe]

You know what?

I'm sitting here with an urge to write something back to that person without being able to!

I mean, I respect his opinion (even though the bastard is fucking wrong!) but I just don't want to hear it...!

I'd probably start a huge fight through messages... Because it just makes me so angry when people are writing such stuff about Green Day (or any of the other musicians I like) because when they say it to my face, it feels like they're trying to push me down...

It feels as if they're saying something like "You are such a loser because you like this loser-band" and I think that it's very insulting!

If they don't like the same music as I do, well, go ahead! But as soon as they insult me by bringing up my taste of music... It's just wrong...

There's a reason why there are so fucking many kinds of music! There's something for everyone to love, worship, dislike and hate.

And for some reason, when people don't like bands like Green Day, they are ALWAYS looking for something to criticize! Just SOME flaw so they can feel a satisfaction of Green Day not being perfect... (isn't that what most of us love them for?)

"Oh, this and this song is exactly like this one! That's stealing!"

"They stole their sound from this and that band... that's disgusting!"

Well, I don't fucking care! And I think that a lot on this community is feeling the same way...!

[Watoosh]

did they? yes. should it matter? no.

i dont dislike their new album because they "sold out". i dislike it because the music on it just doesnt appeal to me. i think it's stupid to hate a band or an album just because of it's popularity or a record label.

[_lewis_]

Alrighty, well i know this convo is never ending, but it is fun occasionally. And since I hold the 'Jesus' title I'm able to start threads like this.

So I posted a blog a couple days ago as a reply to my friends blog (which i posted here a couple weeks ago).

Here's what I wrote:

"Whats that...you're angry because Green Day is popular? Wait what...you hate them for making an album that people bought? You think they're sellouts because they are rich mother fuckers?

Well first of all, I'm sure they care what you think. Second, I'd like to know in what position you are in to criticize a band for writing their music.

It's not like Green Day just popped up out of no where after 9/11 and started making money by writing music about an unpopular war. Green Day has been making music together since most of us were small wittle babies. The past 17 years they have written music about whatever they're feeling and they put their own emotions into their own music.

They don't write to be like anyone, they don't write to sell music, they don't write to please anyone. They don’t write off anyone’s emotions except their own. They write for themselves. They always have. They write for what they believe in. Whether it be the war or jacking off, it's what they feel like writing, not what people want to hear. They used to write about being disenfranchised youth and sitting at home smoking weed all day. Everyone has to mature at some point, and the past three albums from them have reflected that stage in their lives. This last album just had a better combination of lyrics and style that most people could relate too, hence the over 11 million copies that were sold of American Idiot. It’s not just an “anti-war, anti-bush” album. It actually has a story about growing up. It’s the story that a lot of teenagers were able to relate to that helped them sell so many copies. American Idiot topped the US charts not once, but twice. Even a band like Thursday that has “been writing about this stuff for years” only got to number 7 with their last album. So apparently Green Day is doing something better.

People have been calling them sellouts for over a decade, and it hasn't changed anything yet. Selling out would be writing without reason just for money. If half of you who hate Green Day for that reason knew a damn thing about them, you’d understand why they write. Until then, you’ll continue just pulling shit out of your ass to prove a point with the wrong logic. "

And most the comments were "yeah. omg. green day rules." and most were stupid.

Anyways, so this guy replies today with:

"I hate them because they helped turn punk corperate, they didn't sell out because they were assholes to begin with, they were looking to get famous and sell that shit out. Same thing goes with anti-flag and rage against the machine. They do write to sell music and please people, if they didnt, they wouldnt sell any records. That's the way music works, trust me. Also, Green Day has flat out stolen other bands guitar riffs. All this shit you're talking about could just as easily apply to any other shitty band like simple plan or and of that rediculous shit. Selling out is buying into a corperation, and following their rules, which Green Day does, or they wouldnt be on a label. Selling out is signing a contract with a major record label. Most of their music isn't that bad really, except their new shit is horrible, but the classic stuff still sounds good... it doesn't mean they aren't sell outs.

Think. "

So i guess I just wanted you all to have fun with that. Post your thoughts.

since when did you become jesus, you guys have to tell me this, how was i supposed to know Andres is jesus, you got to keep me up-to date on the info

and Green Day did whatever they wanted to, and they sold millions, i guess making videos for those songs is selling out, or is it just the song part, because last time i checked singing songs isnt selling out, entiher are videos, then again people flipped when metallica finally made a music video.

[KittyEater]

did they? yes. should it matter? no.

i dont dislike their new album because they "sold out". i dislike it because the music on it just doesnt appeal to me. i think it's stupid to hate a band or an album just because of it's popularity or a record label.

i agree. if anyone else got offered a record deal, to make lots of money, people hear your money, get famous without people completly invading you privacy, and tour around the world doin wat you love, what the fuck do u think pretty much any normal person would do? i no i sure would, that doesnt mean i dont love music, it means i want to make money and support myself by doing something i love and having a kick ass fun time. and thats probably exactly what green day was thinking. its still kick ass music, anyone who says american idiot hasnt listened to it, well they probably heard it on tv/radio and got sick of it or bought the album just cause it was so big and didnt take the time to listen to the songs. plus the riff stealin thing? well all i know is blink 182 taught us you can use the same chord progression in the first three songs on an album (that didnt relate much, but still i felt like sayin it).