A Few Green Day Related Thoughts...

[piratepalmer]

^ Yep as usual Beth (mind you - I think I was onto something too y'know :whistling: )

"They are rockstars - not politicans"

I was planing to attend a meeting of the "green party" next week.They plan a protest,concerning a local enveriormental (spl?) issue - but since I´m a stay-at-home mom,I guess I have to stay at home and clean my kitchen.

That's excellent Susanne !!! *heads back to her own kitchen sink*

[goodday]

I couldn't disagree more, and frankly this sort of attitude makes me a little sick. First off, they owe us absolutely nothing. Not only have most of us done nothing for them other than buying their records -- were they supposed to give them out for free? -- but what they have done for us is beyond anything we could pay them back for. It's so rare to come across a work of art that actually moves you and changes how you see the world and your life, and they've done it over and over, and always with this aw-shucks kind of unassuming humility.

The greed of some fans who think that they own the band and have a right to make demands on them, even just intheir own minds, is just disturbing.

What they're good at is not making people jump around like daft gits -- speak for yourself on that one :wink: -- but affecting people on a very deep and personal level, one that's also fun and exhilariting but no less significant for it. And part of why they're able to do that is because of who they are as people and what they care about. You couldn't take the social conscience out of them and have them be the same people who put out the same music.

And the whole thing about them being rich enough to buy stuff and that's what makes them "something" is incredibly off the mark. They are musicians and that's what they do and why they do it. They've never done it for the money. They put out great music when they were poor as dirt, and they were not "nothing" then. Without us they'd be really great musicians, putting out great music that only fans of a small scene would know about. That's not "nothing." They would be exactly what they are today.

Dee, I agree with all that you said and I want just to pick out these lines because they say all about that to me:

".....but what they have done for us is beyond anything we could pay them back for. It's so rare to come across a work of art that actually moves you and changes how you see the world and your life...."

Thats what I feel about them

[sydneygirl]

I couldn't disagree more, and frankly this sort of attitude makes me a little sick. First off, they owe us absolutely nothing. Not only have most of us done nothing for them other than buying their records -- were they supposed to give them out for free? -- but what they have done for us is beyond anything we could pay them back for. It's so rare to come across a work of art that actually moves you and changes how you see the world and your life, and they've done it over and over, and always with this aw-shucks kind of unassuming humility.

The greed of some fans who think that they own the band and have a right to make demands on them, even just intheir own minds, is just disturbing.

What they're good at is not making people jump around like daft gits -- speak for yourself on that one :wink: -- but affecting people on a very deep and personal level, one that's also fun and exhilariting but no less significant for it. And part of why they're able to do that is because of who they are as people and what they care about. You couldn't take the social conscience out of them and have them be the same people who put out the same music.

And the whole thing about them being rich enough to buy stuff and that's what makes them "something" is incredibly off the mark. They are musicians and that's what they do and why they do it. They've never done it for the money. They put out great music when they were poor as dirt, and they were not "nothing" then. Without us they'd be really great musicians, putting out great music that only fans of a small scene would know about. That's not "nothing." They would be exactly what they are today.

I couldn't agree more MBK! Exactly spot on. How dare anyone think that Green Day owes us! :down: They have given us so much - much more than we paid for by buying their CDs or concert tickets, yet I'm sure they don't think we owe them anything. So much greed goes into some people's thinking - everything is me me me, mine mine mine, what I get out of it. Makes me sick!

Also, Billie, Mike and Tre deserve every single cent they have earned over the years. They deserve to live in whatever type house they do, or drive whatever car they choose. They have earned that money purely from sheer hard work and dedication to music, and they don't have to justify themselves to anyone.

Another thing, regarding the new album and their involvement in the environment, some of these people that say they're putting charity/environment stuff ahead of the album forget that Billie, Mike and Tre are family men. They have wives/girlfriends and children. They have every right to be concerned about the world around them. Just because they're rock stars doesn't mean that they are insulated from global warming or the devastating effects of deforestation and stuff. It affects them and their families as much as it affects the rest of them, so why shouldn't they get behind it and do what they can to change it?

Like it was said a little earlier in this thread, it's better that Green Day take their time and put out a brilliant album than slapping together a mediocre album that of course they'd be torn to shreds over for "not caring", "being has-beens" and the infuriating "they've sold out" crap. They will release a totally wonderful album when they feel they are ready and not before.

I tell you, some people just don't get it. Makes my blood boil. :verymad:

[hardtoconcentrate]

This has probably been mentioned as I haven't read all the posts but while Muse and Arctic Monkeys may have released 2 'quality' albums in a short time period...they do not have wives or children to dedicate their time to as well. Obviosuly the Green Day guys have all got familes and NEED to have a break so they can spend some time with them. Other bands who don't have any children would find it much easier to dedicate the time towards a new album or tour.

[Newham]

psh. technically that's like what my little brother says when he knows he's wrong.

You going to offer an argument or just leave it at whatever that's supposed to be?

DONT! compare muse and the arctic monkeys to green day

For starters, i wasn't comparing them one bit. I was saying that both of those bands have released two quality albums since AI. For seconds, Muse are one of the best bands on the planet, surely it's an honour to be compared?

i think you shouldnt say all that kinds of stuff about green day. if youre a real fan you should still like their old song it dosnt matter if you hear them 6 times a day okay?' they are one of the best bands ever and you should respect that! and about the humanitarian acts they do you should be thankful because theyre making your planet better... i dont think youre doing so much to help as them so please dont complain.

Oh lord, please wake up. We live in a democratic and free world where we are allowed to question acts of individuals. You can question and criticise Green Day whilst still loving them, it's normal.

and just so you know they are working on their new coming albums and rumors say that there might be three of them, so stay calm and be patient.

Indeed, if they released three new albums (how the hell would that work?) i'd be appeased.

but please DONT INSULT GREEN DAY or you are just an idiot!

Err....thanks for that. Nobody is insulting them love.

could we have a more ignorant person to start this thead?

Well, we could have had you from the sounds of it.

I couldn't disagree more, and frankly this sort of attitude makes me a little sick. First off, they owe us absolutely nothing. Not only have most of us done nothing for them other than buying their records -- were they supposed to give them out for free?

Not at all, don't twist my words. Simply put, they'd be nobodies if it weren't for us. I'm not saying they owe us everything, but an album every few years would be quite nice.

-- but what they have done for us is beyond anything we could pay them back for. It's so rare to come across a work of art that actually moves you and changes how you see the world and your life, and they've done it over and over, and always with this aw-shucks kind of unassuming humility.

If a politically induced Green Day punk-rock album moves you and changes your life, then i guess there would be hundreds of other albums out there that could shake your foundations.

Again, you make it sound as though they've gone abroad and fought for your freedom. They really haven't, they released a controversial album to try and bring down a government.

PS. How could the likes of Dookie and Smooth change your opinion on the world and life?

The greed of some fans who think that they own the band and have a right to make demands on them, even just intheir own minds, is just disturbing.

Oh do behave. I don't for a second think i own the band at all, my base point was that if they cared about their fans for one minute, they'd create a little more for them.

[Newham]

I couldn't agree more MBK! Exactly spot on. How dare anyone think that Green Day owes us! :down: They have given us so much - much more than we paid for by buying their CDs or concert tickets, yet I'm sure they don't think we owe them anything. So much greed goes into some people's thinking - everything is me me me, mine mine mine, what I get out of it. Makes me sick!

:/

Well, if you're willing to accept just that then there's no arguing with you is there? Clearly i'm the baddie of the piece.

Also, Billie, Mike and Tre deserve every single cent they have earned over the years. They deserve to live in whatever type house they do, or drive whatever car they choose. They have earned that money purely from sheer hard work and dedication to music, and they don't have to justify themselves to anyone.

Nobody said anything about justification here, just asking them to think of their fans every now and then... What they've got to remember is that if it wasn't for us, they really wouldn't be who they are now. For that reason, and that reason alone they ought to throw us a god-damn bone every now and then...

Another thing, regarding the new album and their involvement in the environment, some of these people that say they're putting charity/environment stuff ahead of the album forget that Billie, Mike and Tre are family men. They have wives/girlfriends and children. They have every right to be concerned about the world around them. Just because they're rock stars doesn't mean that they are insulated from global warming or the devastating effects of deforestation and stuff. It affects them and their families as much as it affects the rest of them, so why shouldn't they get behind it and do what they can to change it?

That's a fair point and is why i would give them a little longer than most bands. However, nobody else gets a chance to put their job off for that long because of family do they?

Like it was said a little earlier in this thread, it's better that Green Day take their time and put out a brilliant album than slapping together a mediocre album that of course they'd be torn to shreds over for "not caring", "being has-beens" and the infuriating "they've sold out" crap. They will release a totally wonderful album when they feel they are ready and not before.

They didn't need to take that long to release a brilliant album earlier in the career did they? I personally don't believe Green Day are capable of putting together a mediocre album.

I tell you, some people just don't get it. Makes my blood boil. :verymad:

I think you might be one of them

[CarnageXB]

what about Shenanigans

[Newham]

Ah yes, shenanigins. They are capable of poor albums

[*withoutadoubt*]

Dee, I agree with all that you said and I want just to pick out these lines because they say all about that to me:

".....but what they have done for us is beyond anything we could pay them back for. It's so rare to come across a work of art that actually moves you and changes how you see the world and your life...."

Thats what I feel about them

Oh, that line so spoke to me too, Pat! What a great post, Delfina. And how do you explain to someone who is just waiting for these 'would-be-nobodies' if it wasn't for us fans, to give us what we deserve in a time limit how something so special has changed your life and opened you up to so much? You can't.

[Totally obsessed]

I get what you mean -it's great that they're doing charity work, saving the planet and all of that, but I do wish they'd hurry up a little but more. Like you said other bands have released lots of good albums in the time GD have released one... but hopefully the wait will be well worth it and in the mean time I just get obsessed with other bands

Ah yes, shenanigins. They are capable of poor albums

it's not a terrible album... I love suffocate, outsider and ha ha you're dead

but the rest is kinda bad :/ but I read/ heard / whatever somewhere that they were going through tough times around then or something. They almost split at one point according to a program on VH1... imagine if they had and AI never happened

[flake]

I'm sorry but you cannot describe the Arctic Monkeys as "quality". They are okay but nothing to get excited about. Muse are better but still nowhere near as good as Green Day. 2 quality albums in four years. (Warning October 2000, AI September 2004). I would love if GD raced back into the studio after the AI tour and released a new album within months, but they didn't. Let them have a break and release something worth listening to when they are ready. If they rushed and put something out that was not up to their usual standards you would be complaining about that.

Green Day said at the end of the AI tour they would be taking time off to be with their families, and it during that time off they want to help causes that they feel passionate about, that is up to them.

[**nobodylikesyou**]

youre not so flakey after all. Haha

I agree whole heartedly with your post.

[Nic.]

i'd rather them make amazing albums more often, than see them trying to save the world. selfish, perhaps, but that's not their job, after all.

[Dearlybeloved666*]

dude, no offense but you can't just start a debate topic and then go back to what people said and tell them you're right.

[*withoutadoubt*]

Whose job is it to save the world?

[mechanicalman]

Mr T's.

[FJ]

Mr T's.

[14razorbacks]

This is a fair call.

My opinion on this would be:

As a musician myself (nowhere near as successful as green day, haha.., but I do play in a local band.. i guess i'm getting there ) I know things take time.

Touring is immense. I think two years they were on tour for.

American Idiot took a lot of searching for. Searching musically, artistically, it isn't work, it's more than a job.

So 2000-2004... I guess it's fair to say, they weren't making anything that you can hold in your hands, but they were doing a lot music wise, Warning did something to bridge the gap but there was still a long bridge to cross before arriving at American Idiot.

2004-mid 2006, touring touring touring, fair doos

As soon as they stopped touring, they had a break, then got in the studio.

I know we've only had one new plastic disc in seven years (save the best of cd + dvd, b sides cd, live dvd, singles, rock against bush vol. 2), but it's not like they're not working.

Green Day didn't fit into the "generationX" label of the nineties youth/young men because they weren't slackers. And they still aren't. They're busybodies.

[beth hardy]

Well, we could have had you from the sounds of it.

itsn't that such a wonderful answer? your ass is gonna get kicked outta this forum..quick. fucking n00bs, you don't know shit.

[*withoutadoubt*]

Mr T's.

Ok, that answers that question.

[Newham]

itsn't that such a wonderful answer? your ass is gonna get kicked outta this forum..quick. fucking n00bs, you don't know shit.

Who the fuck do you think you are?

Is 'n00b' the most retarded thing anyone could ever say? Ah, 15 year old American girl. No arguing eh?

I'm sorry but you cannot describe the Arctic Monkeys as "quality". They are okay but nothing to get excited about. Muse are better but still nowhere near as good as Green Day. 2 quality albums in four years. (Warning October 2000, AI September 2004). I would love if GD raced back into the studio after the AI tour and released a new album within months, but they didn't. Let them have a break and release something worth listening to when they are ready. If they rushed and put something out that was not up to their usual standards you would be complaining about that.

This thread was originally intended as just a vague musing of slight annoyance, it's escalated a touch but my point remains. I'm obviously not going to do anything if they don't, i'd just like them to put more out there, we know they're capable.

Green Day said at the end of the AI tour they would be taking time off to be with their families, and it during that time off they want to help causes that they feel passionate about, that is up to them.

Sure, but didn't they take time off before AI too?

Whose job is it to save the world?

Well, politicians and i guess, people in a place to influence, which of course Green Day are.

However, they've got to realise that unless certain powers change things in the world (and we're not talking US government), things aren't going to change in the world. Charity work and singles to raise money are fine, totally fine but i'd just love to see a little more of a nod towards the people who have put them where they are.

[beth hardy]

why do you waste your time quoting everyone..its like your sooo concerned w/ what people have to say..get over it.

[Newham]

why do you waste your time quoting everyone..its like your sooo concerned w/ what people have to say..get over it.

Could you possible be a more stereotypically American teenage girl?

Anyway, quoting people, debating a point, making your own points... Isn't that the point of a forum princess?

And as for 'not knowing shit', i was following Green Day before you were out of 'diapers' honey.

[NickD]

Fact is, they tour their albums dry. They were on tour for American Idiot from 04-06 with smaller shows after the official tour was over with. That is WAY too long to promote 13 songs. And they've toured for Warning in '00 and '01 and then Pop Disaster Tour and smaller shows in '02. They call themselves a 'live band' for a reason: They put all of their energy and more into their performances.

[Newham]

Blah, cant' even be bothered debating it anymore

Where's little miss hormones gone anyway?