Green Day / NRDC Site now online

[justcause]

no, i dont think. yeah, i think its a little odd seeing musicians doing something off topic. even though i do agree wit what Billie's saying. cause i remember one day my dad said "what kind of car do you want when you grow up?" and that annoyed me cause i hate that prhase "when you grow up". but anyway, i said "i dont really have to get a car. i dont want one. ill just drive to my college when i get there and when i get a job, ill look for a house when i can afford it." and then he pissed me off more cause he said "April, you have to have a car. how are going to go shoppin, go to places that are out of walking distance." unfourtanetly, he was right. (bleh) so, yeah, i always thought about getting those hybrid things. with that, whats the phrase? live green go yellow? so.. yeah.

I think that's a good point - it should be possible not to have to use a car all the time, that's ultimately the solution. Why should it be taken for granted that you drive everywhere? The bigger picture for this issue would include town planning.

[mbk]

Bono is trying to save our asses, too, but the main difference between Bono and GD is, up to now, the choice of partners! While Bono sells his ass to Bush, Gap or Apple, GD set value upon an ideological statement.

@ Bono > The world needs winners to make a change, pah! :down: Maybe the winners will get the ball rolling, but the losers will be the ones, who will top out the building, because losers make up the largest part of society. That's the way the cookie crumbles!

And Bono ... what your partners stand for isn't exactly innocence as far as the state of the so-called third world is concerned and you are effectively helping them to clean their fucking dirty hands, while they are still increasing their own profit.

Yes! Thank you! Bono is always making deals with the devil so his good works are kind of dirtied... Green Day has never done that!

That there are people who could find this effort in any way objectionable or call it a "commercial" boggles the mind. Commercials sell products, not ideas! Commercials are there to deceive you, to try to make you do something that's good for the advertiser and bad for you, and bad for the rest of us -- by persuading you to waste your money and the earth's resources by buying some cheesy product. This is the opposite of a commercial, it's actually trying to get a thought into our collective thick skulls!

And yeah changing the infrastrucure so people don't have to drive is the key, as Angeline said. I live in a city and I don't have a car. Most of my life I've never had a car.

[f.o.d_nimrod]

ya, i don't beleive in the whole 'omg guys, the planet is going to die tomorrow from global warming!!' i mean ya it's real, but not to the extent that people make it out to be. i love how gd is making an effort to try and help the world with their music. i know rise against is all environmental, and i think that if more bands used their music to get a message across, they could really make a big change. good going guys!!

[starbucksfreak]

I think its great what they're doing. especially since they have a big impact on teens and maybe they'll join and make a difference

[Hitman]

Billie Joe said in an interview that they always wanted to do something like this, but they didn't have the voice (The popularity). Now that they have it, they can do that kind of stuff now.

[goodday]

And yeah changing the infrastrucure so people don't have to drive is the key, as Angeline said. I live in a city and I don't have a car. Most of my life I've never had a car.

I agree and I do the same: most of my life I've never had a car. I love walk around my city, I go to work by bus or bike and I do almost all things in this way. Not just me, but a lot of my friends...

[Hitman]

I live in a town where walking to the nearest store you HAVE to have a car. It's impossible to walk to your destinations.

[Ash]

I live in a town where walking to the nearest store you HAVE to have a car. It's impossible to walk to your destinations.

public transport.

[Fuzz]

the town i grew up in had no public transportation, aside from the school buses. if you wanted to get anywhere else, you drove. there's no other alternative considering the nearest decent sized city was 1.5 hours away if you drove. The nearest grocery store would take a good 4 or 5 hours if you wanted to walk. We had the local gas stations, which weren't too far. But you can't really stock up on anything there aside from gas, maybe some chips and a drink, or fishing supplies.

[Ash]

But if it wasnt a big enough town to have public transport, then wouldnt it have supermarkets close enough to walk to. and i live in a town kin of like that right now, and there is public transport that you can use to get to bigger towns.

[goodday]

Here, on Brasil, we are using alchool as fuel for more then 20 years and these last 5 years, many people is using natural gas, both pollute less than gasoline....and we have the habit of use bike, publlic transportation and walk a lot

[Fuzz]

But if it wasnt a big enough town to have public transport, then wouldnt it have supermarkets close enough to walk to.

obviously not.

[Ash]

obviously not.

im tired an not in the mood for that tone.

[Dearlybeloved666*]

i think it's great what their doing and trying to help people conserve more resources and think about the envirnment a little more. Since when has that hurt anybody?

as for people calling them sellouts.....since when have they ever cared what people call them anyway? and why should we?

If i had that much power i would want to do something useful with it espeshially if it's going to help people around the world.

[billie_is_hott]

i think this is great and everything, but some people are taking it WAY too far. ( no offense to aybody). they are just trying to help the enviroment like everybody should. i dont, but i should. I mean, look at those guys, Billie and Tre dropped of high school to go work on music, thats all they've ever known. Now, they want to send a good message out there to everybdy and u people are getting mad over it??? It dosent make sense but they used to be careless punk kids from california and now that they are trying to care about america and all the kids and the adults and do something good and half of you people arent supporting them, they need their fans support to do it and some of you arent giving it to them, your dissing them instead. Grow up, and learn to support people.

[jaded fashion victim]

The problem of oil dependency goes well beyond saving the environment, it also relates to global corruption, state-sponsored terrorism and waging wars to protect oil reserves. Reducing consumption and using alternative energies would solve a lot of what's fucked up in the world and help save the planet. There is compelling evidence that the recent increase in catastrophic natural disasters can be attributed to global warming. Imagine if the Tsunami and Katrina could have been avoided in the first place.

Green Day are asking people to consider change and challenge current government policies - how is that not punk rock?

[e-dur]

I don't care who the hell saves this planet. As long as my grandkids don't die of fucking skin cancer.

Exactly, it doesn't really matter, who starts, as a matter of fact things gotta change, if we plan to keep this planet alive for awhile. We, the industrial nations (who are actually only a few people compared to the entire world population) managed to bring nature on the verge of collapsing in just 100 years, which really is a very short period, compared to the age of the planet, through our ruthless behaviour.

I don't know if everybody is really realizing the consequences of this development. Thousands of animal species will die out and millions of people will be starving, dieing or will be forced to leave their home land and everyone one of us is partially guilty of it. I don't know what you guys think, but that's not what I wanted. I am just a consumer who more or less blindly takes, what he's offered and there in lies a crucial point.

What is offered to people are fast and simple solutions for living their lives. Men want comfort, as cheap as possible and they want it immediately. This is exactly what the economy is supplying. In competition for the grace of the consumer i.e. money, they dispense solutions that are environment friendly or humane and release products to the market without verifying their consequences on nature or people.

Industrial leaders for the most part don't care what happens to the world, money rules the world not humanity and if the production costs of a product are too high, it is hard to sell, that's the simple reasoning. That's the way it is and always has been, but how to break these habits?

They have no real interest in changing this situation, and why should they as long as the money is good.

Wanna try appealing to their conscience? Or try to force them by law (as propagated in the video)? All good approaches, but imo not really effective.

Nevertheless, subsidies are a beginning...

All starts and ends with funds and this is where the power of the consumer and his ability to influence things lie in. You may watch thatGD + NRDC clip a hundred times that alone is not gonna change a thing and also GD will only change sth. with this calling up if people change their habits and behaviours. In plain english that means to show a political attitude where there's been lack of interest before, to interfere even if it causes unpleasant consequences for oneself, to talk instead of being silent or to think about your own responsibility though one would propably prefer to deny it etc.

Let's be honest, everybody loves this world with its different vegetation areas, its diverse animal and plant species, the different seasons and weather conditions. People don't want to accept, that these things could get lost and they for sure don't want to know that they might be responsible for that loss with their behaviour. Unfortunately this is a truth that is neither deniable nor changeable. This abnegation of the truth doesn't help a bit unfortunately, so the first step is to realize the role man has in this development and which alternatives are available. The video clip is a try to build an awareness for relationships and possible solutions. I welcome and appreciate GD's dedication even if I think that trying to solve the problem with laws isn't the best idea.

Much more relevant is the purchasing power! If people only buy cars, that are driven by regenerative energies, the old models will vanish from the market, if only energy efficient fridges, washing machines, dryers etc. are bought the old models in these markets will vanish too, if when building a house energy efficiency is a primary concern, the classic house types will vanish too and make room for more energy efficient types like low-energy house, passive house or energy-plus-house.

There are researchers and products in every country in the world, that develop and offer possible solutions. Unforunately these alternatives often are rather costly for the consumer, but once market penetration gets bigger they provide a relief for the environment at an acceptable price point. We need to establish a trend for responsible, conscious behaviour and therefore this world needs people who make the problem a subject of discussion and a large number of people that are willing to establish and finance a new way of thinking, in other words you! :wink:

[don't_leave_me]

the site is great...i bookmarked it

[K-Lee]

I think its good that their doing something like this. At first i was kinda shocked to see "make every day a green day" cos it wasnt what i was expecting.I dont see why they shudnt do stuff like that.sitting back and writing about american idiots then not trying to do anything to make america better is a contradiction anyway.

[justcause]

So everything is planned in the assumption that you have a car from your teens onward - and culturally, that first set of keys is a symbol of freedom and independence; and people love their cars - think about how many songs there are about driving, it's a power thing.

The bigger picture would, as I said involve town planning and infrastructure, so then you're talking about huge social and economic impact - more than oil companies would lose out, and that would totally stir the shit. That kind of change needs to be set in train - and yeah, trains are a good idea! - but it would be gradual and long-term. In the immediate term, what Green Day are suggesting about cleaner, more energy-efficient vehicles is the way to go, but I think the issue of better, more attractive public transport should go hand-in-hand with it.

The benefits we would gain from all of this are not only about a cleaner world, but also in closer communities and more interaction between people. Today, everything is personalized, designed to remove any kind of compromise, from your car to your ipod - you get to live as if you were the only one on the planet, but you're not. We need to start accommodating each other in so many ways.

[Inane Kiss]

Am i the only one that snickered a bit in my head when i heard "make everyday a green day"? I think thats a cute play on words, considering the origin of green days.

[Cloielle]

I think what they're doing is fantastic; if I lived in the US, I'd definitely sign up. It's a great way of making kids listen up- let's face it, the majority of teenagers don't give a damn about saving energy.

And although a lot of the environmentally sound cost a bomb, and many people won't be able to afford hybrid cars, or solar panels, we can actually save money as well as doing our bit for the environment. As in, we can slash the cost of our water/electricity/gas bills, by only using what we need to.

It's such a great way of making people understand what they can do, I just hope more bands start to participate!

[Billie3]

There's nothing wrong with wanting to save the environment, just they're musicians, not politicans or comercial actors. Seriously, do they wonder why people call them sell-outs?

:down:

they're just trying to get the people to help they're NOT sell-outs

[Punk Butterfly]

Great idea.

Even if they some people will call them sellouts or anything, its good for the planet. Kids who listen to Green Day will be more interested in environmental issues. So I am supporting it.

[Dearlybeloved666*]

haha

"make every day a Green day!"

sure i will

they're living up to thier name!