Green Day / NRDC Site now online

[*withoutadoubt*]

I'm gonna get you my pretty!!!

See now, the gases that would emit from your melting wickedness would not be environmentally friendly, so I'll just have to put my bucket away. For now.

[justcause]

I don't see what the problem is with defining this as a kind of commercial - I would say that's part of the approach.

Think of American Idiot - as I so often do, lol - and think of what Billie Joe said about television. All of the stuff coming at you, difficult to differentiate or weight what's important, what's real, what's just a subliminal mind fuck.

I think Green Day have put this information that's in fact, anti-commercial, in a commercial form, because that's a format people are used to and receive easily. They are employing the tools and techniques of advertising to get a different kind of message across - and they used YouTube because that's where the people are going these days - click on 'watch', yeah?

These are smart, smart guys, with enough vision to employ some media-savvy for a good cause - because even the words 'good cause' are a turn-off, and they're using all the turn-ons at their disposal.

[netty]

I think the problem is that a commercial is something that we all associate with selling products, rather than informing people about issues.

I was going to say that this video is in fact an infomercial, but according to dictionary.com thats just a longer commercial.

I think by describing it as a commercial, you are basically calling the band sell outs maybe. which has been discussed to death for way too long already.

calling it a commercial cheapens the message. it denys the true intent behind it. it also cheapens you in a way if your only objection is the style used to get the message across. anger over something like that is well, such a waste of energy! the fact that people are bitching over the way it has been done, and whether in fact the guys have the right to do this...... when we should be discussing the actual issue!

[**nobodylikesyou**]

^unbefuckinglievable

(Beth, do you still think I shouldn't lose faith?)

I still think the majority of the fans are awesome. So yeah, don't lose faith. But there certainly are some nimrods and idiots on here that are full of dookie.

These are smart, smart guys,

I'm not so sure about Tre.

[goodday]

I'm not so sure about Tre.

[netty]

you know what they say about the quiet ones??

magnify that by 1000 and you have Tre.

[mbk]

I think the problem is that a commercial is something that we all associate with selling products, rather than informing people about issues.

I was going to say that this video is in fact an infomercial, but according to dictionary.com thats just a longer commercial.

I think by describing it as a commercial, you are basically calling the band sell outs maybe. which has been discussed to death for way too long already.

calling it a commercial cheapens the message. it denys the true intent behind it. it also cheapens you in a way if your only objection is the style used to get the message across. anger over something like that is well, such a waste of energy! the fact that people are bitching over the way it has been done, and whether in fact the guys have the right to do this...... when we should be discussing the actual issue!

Thank you netty. I mean that. I'm so tired of trying to explain. After my tirade about the difference between a business and a charity (which, silly me, I would have thought was self-evident) my next one was going to be about the difference between style and substance. You've saved me from having to deliver that. I really am getting weary. I don't know why I'm here at all.

And Angeline, your point is way too subtle for any of these numnuts to even begin to understand. That's not what they mean by commercial. They genuinely don't understand the difference between commercialism and charity or between style and susbstance. And frankly why would the members of Green Day want to intentionally add to the subliminal mindfuck by purposely confusing people? I really don't think that's their intent.

[justcause]

And Angeline, your point is way too subtle for any of these numnuts to even begin to understand. That's not what they mean by commercial. They genuinely don't understand the difference between commercialism and charity or between style and susbstance. And frankly why would the members of Green Day want to intentionally add to the subliminal mindfuck by purposely confusing people? I really don't think that's their intent.

Some people get things, some don't - I just put it out there. If they don't get it, it's maybe because I'm not making it clear enough, and it's a case of reiterating or clarifying, whatever, I don't mind - it's more important that people eventually understand, whether they end up agreeing or not.

Anyway, as regards Green Day's intentions, I'm not suggesting they intended to add to the subliminal mindfuck - this is far from subliminal, it's like everything else they do - upfront and in your face.

To me, when Billie Joe talks about a subliminal mindfuck - gotta love that term, btw! - one aspect is the way advertising tells us in, a subliminal way, the kind of people we should want to be, and the kind of things we should aspire to, in a material sense - the 'television dreams of tomorrow'

In this anti-commercial 'commercial', he's subverting this form by giving a straightforward message and putting an issue in front of us.

That Green Day are conscious of how the media is used to sell everything from deodorant to politicians is an ongoing thing - I would even go back to those spoof commercials that showed Billie Joe as a candidate. Media communication is a resource, a tool, which can be used to exploit or to educate and inform about the issues, and the latter is what Green Day are doing.

But in fact, the irony of it is that people seem confused by whether or not this is a commercial for a business or an endorsement for a charity; it demonstrates exactly the confusion Billie Joe said he himself felt watching tv output, which motivated him to write American Idiot.

It's up to us to use our brains and differentiate between the two; to do what he said he did, during his Spirit of Liberty speech - 'wake the fuck up'.

[owlnzZzZz]

at least they're doing something about the environment..

[audyisername]

To me, when Billie Joe talks about a subliminal mindfuck - gotta love that term, btw! - one aspect is the way advertising tells us in, a subliminal way, the kind of people we should want to be, and the kind of things we should aspire to, in a material sense - the 'television dreams of tomorrow'

In this anti-commercial 'commercial', he's subverting this form by giving a straightforward message and putting an issue in front of us.

That Green Day are conscious of how the media is used to sell everything from deodorant to politicians is an ongoing thing - I would even go back to those spoof commercials that showed Billie Joe as a candidate. Media communication is a resource, a tool, which can be used to exploit or to educate and inform about the issues, and the latter is what Green Day are doing.

But in fact, the irony of it is that people seem confused by whether or not this is a commercial for a business or an endorsement for a charity; it demonstrates exactly the confusion Billie Joe said he himself felt watching tv output, which motivated him to write American Idiot.

It's up to us to use our brains and differentiate between the two; to do what he said he did, during his Spirit of Liberty speech - 'wake the fuck up'.

I completely agree with you! Put this way, it is a brilliant move on the part of Billie Joe, Mike and Tre Cool

[Parley]

I completely agree with you! Put this way, it is a brilliant move on the part of Billie Joe, Mike and Tre Cool.

Just a friendly suggestion...don't use font like this again. It makes people hate you.

[**nobodylikesyou**]

I completely agree with you! Put this way, it is a brilliant move on the part of Billie Joe, Mike and Tre Cool.

yea please dont do that again. You might get banned. I am old and my eyesight is going, but not THAT bad. :/

[giant_teabag]

hahahahah I can't stop laughing about those giant letters :lol:

[Mybloodyvale]

i think they did a very very very good thing! it shows how green day can involve themselves in such important problems. there's a needing of knowing what the fuck is happenig in this world.. and all of us should do the best we can.. not because it has been told by green day...but because we believe in that.

[Amanda]

Thanks for bolding that, saves us all a trip to the opticians... blind bastards that we are.

[mechanicalman]

Thanks for bolding that, saves us all a trip to the opticians... blind bastards that we are.

I can't read that Amanda. :/

Joking.

[audyisername]

Just a friendly suggestion...don't use font like this again. It makes people hate you.

Thanks a lot! and I'm sorry...I didn't realize it was that big. It won't happen again.

yea please dont do that again. You might get banned. I am old and my eyesight is going, but not THAT bad. :/

Thanks a lot. Acknowledged.

hahahahah I can't stop laughing about those giant letters :lol:

lol Ok. I got the point. No more giant letters!

[Freddie Mercury fan]

Update:

I was watching a danish news channel and suddenly in that little bar it said "U.S.A: President Bush wants to reduce fuel use during the next couple of years", or something like that.

Do you think it is just to leave with a good impression or is GD/NDRC's goals reached?

They just said in the news it will be reduced with 20%

It is supposed to be a part of his speech today