Green Day / NRDC Site now online

[billie_is_hott]

Sorry, it was the first thing that came to mind.

And I dont think it's funny at all. It's real, and I'm glad someone's doing something about it, it's just the way it's happening.

Wow, i dont want to repeat myself again, but sorry about the comment, it seemed so fitting

I accept your apology, but i cant figure out what u mean by "it's just the way it's happening". i mean, i dont think that anything is happening too fast or just suddenly came up, ever since they teamed up with U2, they've been doing stuff nobody expected them to do, but i mean this is a good cause and everybody should be supportive of it, they're not just a punk band that live around music, they are humans that breathe the same air we are breathing and they dont want to die from some stupid disease caused by global warming and they dont want their kids too either, and i dont want to, and u shouldnt want to. the ozone layer is disolving and most of it is from global warming. at least they are trying and not many people wopuld have the guts to stand up and say this has gotta change before we all die from it, but t ehy did and they are using their celebrity status for it.

[ssnn]

You should really klick that link - its worth it - I promis (even if i don´t know how to spell it:))

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...notes102006.DTL

[justcause]

You should really klick that link - its worth it - I promis (even if i don´t know how to spell it:))

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...notes102006.DTL

I fucking loved that, thanx for posting the link! That guy is so right - we've become so disconnected from ourselves that we need a self-help book to operate our psyches, and as a result, we're disconnected from the earth too. It's all of a piece, us and our environment - if we re-connect, we can re-establish natural rhythms of life instead of the artificial contraints we place on ourselves, and lead much happier lives, in tune with our planet.

[HoneyDo666]

It would be corny if it was some stupid celebrity, but it's Green Day. They are smart and they have good opinions. I think it is awesome that they want to help the environment and that they are getting other people involved in otherwise pretty much unknown but awesome groups.

[mbk]

So we're supposed to support what they're doing or not say anything at all?

That doesn't really make sence...

You have a lot of nerve talking about making sense!!!!!! Your comments in this thread have been beyond idiotic. Truly. Why don't you take the time to read now and then, and inform yourself just a little bit before opening up your mouth to spew complete and absolute nonsense????

You seem to be incapable of understandintg the difference between commercialism, which is selling something to make money, and charity, which is giving money away to help other people. The NRDC is a charity. It doesn't give money away to poor people directly, which is what you may normally think of a charity as doing, what it does is it uses the money that people donate to try help protect and save the environment. It is not doing that to make money, nor is there anything in it for them. It's doing it TO HELP PEOPLE! Because people actually need clean water and air, and a stable climate, to survive on this planet.

Celebrities are NEVER paid by non-profit charities to help with their causes. That would be so completely absurd that it boggles the mind that anyone would even think that that is remotely what is happening here! If you had ever read a single article about non-profits you would know this.

You keep calling the video that Green Day and the NRDC made, to educate people about global warming, an "advertisement." That's just completely incorrect and makes no sense. Adversitesemts are meant to sell products, to make money. This doesn't make any money for anyone. Its only purpose is to do something GOOD for the world. Is that a concept that is so hard for you to understand?

There are some charitable organizations that are questionable, but the NRDC is not one of them!!!! For instance, when a FOR-profit corporation embraces a cause, it's usually to make itself look good to its customers so it can make more money. For example, Ford has a program to help missing children, and Jamie Lee Curtis is their celebrity sponsor. You could fault Jamie Lee Curtis for helping Ford make money, by helping them pretend that they care about missing children. But nothing like that is happening here!

Please, I'm begging you to grow a brain and use it. This thread has lost me what faith I had in Green Day fans.

[Parley]

^^Bless you.

[nessa1416]

You have a lot of nerve talking about making sense!!!!!! Your comments in this thread have been beyond idiotic. Truly. Why don't you take the time to read now and then, and inform yourself just a little bit before opening up your mouth to spew complete and absolute nonsense????

You seem to be incapable of understandintg the difference between commercialism, which is selling something to make money, and charity, which is giving money away to help other people. The NRDC is a charity. It doesn't give money away to poor people directly, which is what you may normally think of a charity as doing, what it does is it uses the money that people donate to try help protect and save the environment. It is not doing that to make money, nor is there anything in it for them. It's doing it TO HELP PEOPLE! Because people actually need clean water and air, and a stable climate, to survive on this planet.

Celebrities are NEVER paid by non-profit charities to help with their causes. That would be so completely absurd that it boggles the mind that anyone would even think that that is remotely what is happening here! If you had ever read a single article about non-profits you would know this.

You keep calling the video that Green Day and the NRDC made, to educate people about global warming, an "advertisement." That's just completely incorrect and makes no sense. Adversitesemts are meant to sell products, to make money. This doesn't make any money for anyone. Its only purpose is to do something GOOD for the world. Is that a concept that is so hard for you to understand?

There are some charitable organizations that are questionable, but the NRDC is not one of them!!!! For instance, when a FOR-profit corporation embraces a cause, it's usually to make itself look good to its customers so it can make more money. For example, Ford has a program to help missing children, and Jamie Lee Curtis is their celebrity sponsor. You could fault Jamie Lee Curtis for helping Ford make money, by helping them pretend that they care about missing children. But nothing like that is happening here!

Please, I'm begging you to grow a brain and use it. This thread has lost me what faith I had in Green Day fans.

Well then.

I understand disagreeing with my opinion, but telling me to grow a brain is a little much. And dont tell me to educate myself about non-profits. I've volenteered for quite a few, and my best friend's mom owns one that wouldn't be classified as "questionable" by anymeans, and of which PAID a "celebrity" to do an ad for them. So don't tell me it never happens, because it does.

I never said anyone had to agree with me. You say that one could "fault Jamie Lee Curtis for helping Ford make money, by helping them pretend that they care about missing children", and that NRDC is absolutely not like that. You know, you might be right, but I still have my right to question their reasoning for all of this.

I never said that this wasn't a good cause, or that I wasn't going to support it. I just said that it all seems a little lame to me. Perhaps because I've never seen Green Day do anything scripted, perhaps because I've never heard of NRDC before.

It's not like I'm denying the existance of global warming, like come on.

[**nobodylikesyou**]

mbk, thank you for explaining it so well.

Please though, don't lose faith in Green Day fans. Most of them are good as gold. There are just a few uninformed idiots out here, that's all.

[ssnn]

NEWS (Washington Post)

ON WEDNESDAY, the Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in what could prove to be one of the most fateful environmental cases in a generation -- or not, depending on what the justices do with it. Massachusetts v. Environmental Protection Agency is a challenge by states and environmental groups to the Bush administration's refusal to regulate greenhouse gases as pollution.

The question of how to handle global warming is the chief environmental issue of our era. Yet the Environmental Protection Agency has refused to assume regulatory authority over greenhouse emissions. It claims that the Clean Air Act gives it no power to do so. The law, however, gives the EPA power over "any air pollutant from any class or classes of new motor vehicle . . . [that] may reasonably be anticipated to endanger public health or welfare." What's more, it specifically identifies effects on "climate" as an aspect of that public welfare.

The EPA goes on to argue that even if it has the power to regulate carbon emissions, it doesn't have to -- and it doesn't want to. The government cites "scientific uncertainty as to the mechanisms of global climate change." But the law on this point is clear as well: The EPA, it says, "shall" regulate any pollutant from new motor vehicles that it expects to do harm. And while all the mechanisms of climate change are not understood, greenhouse gases certainly can be expected to do harm.

The tricky legal question is whether the states and environmental groups -- or anyone else, for that matter -- have standing to bring the case. To establish standing, one has to show both that an actual injury has occurred and that winning the case would redress that injury. The problem of climate change is so huge that it creates a paradoxical barrier to litigation: Regulating one relatively small component of the problem -- emissions by new vehicles in the United States -- probably wouldn't do much overall to stop global warming. Depending on how the justices treat this question, the case could peter out.

That would be frustrating and unfortunate. Nowhere is this administration's resistance to action on global climate change more aggravating than in its persistent refusal to use the legal powers already at hand. What an irony it would be if its lawless inaction survived judicial review because the problem is too big.

END

Let´s hope they can make their case and the judges kick some ass.

[mbk]

Well then.

I understand disagreeing with my opinion, but telling me to grow a brain is a little much. And dont tell me to educate myself about non-profits. I've volenteered for quite a few, and my best friend's mom owns one that wouldn't be classified as "questionable" by anymeans, and of which PAID a "celebrity" to do an ad for them. So don't tell me it never happens, because it does.

I never said anyone had to agree with me. You say that one could "fault Jamie Lee Curtis for helping Ford make money, by helping them pretend that they care about missing children", and that NRDC is absolutely not like that. You know, you might be right, but I still have my right to question their reasoning for all of this.

I never said that this wasn't a good cause, or that I wasn't going to support it. I just said that it all seems a little lame to me. Perhaps because I've never seen Green Day do anything scripted, perhaps because I've never heard of NRDC before.

It's not like I'm denying the existance of global warming, like come on.

You seem to be confusing "having an opinion" with "spewing complete nonsense that has no basis in fact."

You have no right to question anything if you obstinately refuse to look up the facts and inform yourself.

[justcause]

The issues surrounding global warming are bigger than just the emissions from cars or industry - it goes to our whole way of life; lol, no-one's mentioned cow farts yet!

The cows and sheep we farm in such great numbers for our tables produce a large amount of methane - the article I've linked here discusses isolating a bacteria in the stomachs of kangaroos and trying to introduce it to cows and sheep to stop them farting out methane - in other words, tinkering around with the species rather than changing our own eating habits.

As I discussed with the idea of cutting down on car use and thus oil, these things have far-reaching effects throughout society - less beef would be an economic issue as well as going to changes in dietary habits that are fairly ingrained in the Western world.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2023371.stm

[ssnn]

^^

McDonalds is bad - anyway you look at it.

So it´s easier to change a cows frat,than peoples minds - sounds about right.

Producing rice is also in that bowl (sorry) - the plants give up methane as well.

Reduces the selection of "take aways",doesn´t it?

[justcause]

^^

McDonalds is bad - anyway you look at it.

So it´s easier to change a cows frat,than peoples minds - sounds about right.

Producing rice is also in that bowl (sorry) - the plants give up methane as well.

Reduces the selection of "take aways",doesn´t it?

Yet we are also a species on the planet, and no matter what we do or how we live, it will impact on the environment in some way. It's a matter of trying to seek the right balance.

[audyisername]

This has absolutely nothing to do with their music. They are more than just a band. They are people who live on this planet. Like any full-grown parents, they want to make sure that this world remains habitable. For themselves and for future generations.

Exactly!! Billie Joe, Mike and Tré have worked very hard to achieve what they want. They have all the right to express their viewpoints, considering that now they're grown ups with kids. Many years from now, his and our great-grandchildren will find a devastated planet, if any at all, if we don't start doing something NOW. And like Forrest Gump, I must say "And That's all I have to say about that".

[Jillie Boe.]

mbk, thank you for explaining it so well.

Please though, don't lose faith in Green Day fans. Most of them are good as gold. There are just a few uninformed idiots out here, that's all.

A lot of Green Day fans are idiots.

[ssnn]

^^

I do recall your last post on this thread - so go ahead and count yourself in,

[Jillie Boe.]

^^

I do recall your last post on this thread - so go ahead and count yourself in,

Well i've read through the posts, the only reason i said i agreed was more of the fact that Green Day are always in your face! Even though they're doing this for a good course and because it's what they believe in, i still think deep down they know it's a good way to promote themslves more "Making everyday a Green Day" I dunno if they think that, they probably don't, but they might do. We dunno, so you can't say i'm wrong because no one really knows. I didn't really look into this, i don't hang around here that much and i didn't really know what NRDC was. Now i know what it is (thanks to mbk ) I understand what it is, so i take what i said back. nessa1416 i understood where you were coming from at first but now i'm confused.

[ssnn]

^^

You shouldn´t have used that quote - that looked a bit,well stupid.

I can see what you mean.Beeing confused about something isn´t bad,just try to find out a little more on the subjekt.

[Jillie Boe.]

^^

You shouldn´t have used that quote - that looked a bit,well stupid.

I can see what you mean.Beeing confused about something isn´t bad,just try to find out a little more on the subjekt.

Yeah i know, i just know someone here used that quote, they did say that didn't they on the site? or did someone make that up? I'm kinda being stupid here, hmm i'm not usually like this honest Thinking before i speak is one of my qualities...

[greenDay_*]

their not the same anymore.... i dont think i like the new thing their going for, i mean an internet commerical? common it was so fake and so proper the bush bashing was done in a nice way not the old "fuck bush!" thing anymore

and their not "green" day as in the enviroment. the "green" in green day is for a pot smoking filled day.

[mbk]

^unbefuckinglievable

The next person who refers to this video as a "commercial" is going to be hunted down by me personally to get a boot in the face.

(Beth, do you still think I shouldn't lose faith?)

[*withoutadoubt*]

What's the matter? You didn't like the commercial?

You know where I live.

[netty]

this is the problem though so often. people read what others have said and basically repeat it. they dont sit down and work things out for themselves. if they did, the same phrases wouldnt be used.

[mbk]

What's the matter? You didn't like the commercial?

You know where I live.

I'm gonna get you my pretty!!!

[zoki]

their not the same anymore.... i dont think i like the new thing their going for, i mean an internet commerical? common it was so fake and so proper the bush bashing was done in a nice way not the old "fuck bush!" thing anymore

and their not "green" day as in the enviroment. the "green" in green day is for a pot smoking filled day.

Fuck bush?

And that would be the thing to win you over? It only goes so far. Having facts and arguments that are presented in a proper way would be more effective. And they have done that with the NRDC's help.

And it's they're for gods sake. Not their.