Green Day's bad PR

[Guest Holden]

They did not perform at everyone. I wouldn't say they paraded either. They didn't do big interviews, they did short five minute things like most nominees did. They were courteous enough to answer some questions that they've been asked a million times. They sat through the show just like every other nominee and made an acceptance speech. They didn't do anything different than any other band really, accept that they got more attention because people like them, and the media is trying to play up the AI cd. I doubt they are like, "Gee I hope we can keep going to shows to strut our stuff."

I mean, I think it would be pretty shitty if they won and they weren't there to accept it. It would be like, "well we're better than you and we don't care about accepting your damn award." If they did that, people would be complaining that they were assholes. They can't fucking win. People are such cynics and critics that it's disgusting.

Yeah it is really annoying when people are so overly critical of such stupid things, isnt it?

Its almost like getting all worked up that an admin of a forum started a thread asking for opinions about a new moderator, and then in the end, just went with their original choice...

gosh.. people can be so critical, makes me angry, maybe i should complain about it

[mclaren]

What ones would you consider turning up at , and which are you considering inconsequential? This is a wonderful hypothesis, and really full of the humility you've said Billie so lacks!

there are obviously award shows that carry some amount of weight. the grammy's and mtv vma's, for example. mtv europe is where it starts to get stretched. as a by-product of some award shows being totally worthless, however, i can't be bothered to remember what they're even called.

[I Am The Idiot America]

My opinion is...they're starting to age...and when they age, bad things tend to happen. What I want them to do is to bring back some of the old teen angsty punk rock they brought with Dookie and Insomniac..thank god for those albums. Now, I know with AI the true Green Day fans hate it, and to be honest, some of this new crap is getting redundant and getting old VERY fast. Just let the teenies have their spotlight. Then, hopefulyl the guys will come to their senses, though they do have families.

[justcause]

there are obviously award shows that carry some amount of weight. the grammy's and mtv vma's, for example. mtv europe is where it starts to get stretched. as a by-product of some award shows being totally worthless, however, i can't be bothered to remember what they're even called.

That's judgemental - the fans and people putting forward these awards would consider them worthwhile, and if GD picked and chose, yet again they'd be slammed for maybe picking the glory ones over the others.

As for MTV Europe, European fans liked it very much - they don't get as many opportunities to see GD perform.

[Guest Quietus]

Yeah it is really annoying when people are so overly critical of such stupid things, isnt it?

Its almost like getting all worked up that an admin of a forum started a thread asking for opinions about a new moderator, and then in the end, just went with their original choice...

gosh.. people can be so critical, makes me angry, maybe i should complain about it

Your attitude isn't cute or funny. The two things are unrelated and your post had nothing to do with this thread really. All you did was try to make me feel bad for calling a bad move when I see it, and you know what? You failed. I stand by my words, Andres' handled the whole thing like shit. But this isn't the place to argue about it, so why go off topic? It's irrelevant.

[mclaren]

That's judgemental - the fans and people putting forward these awards would consider them worthwhile, and if GD picked and chose, yet again they'd be slammed for maybe picking the glory ones over the others.

As for MTV Europe, European fans liked it very much - they don't get as many opportunities to see GD perform.

wow, you know, if i hadn't have guessed, i would have thought you were asking what i would have turned up at....

[zoki]

which one's didn't they perform at? they even peformed at mtv europe. anyways, do you honestly deny that they milked their success?

So what if they preformed and the EMA's, they did it in 1995 aswell, not to mention, they preformed at the VMA's that year too, so what's your point?

It's a award show, they got/get nominated for that big awards of the night, they preform, they win. It's a routine with these guys, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

And I'm glad Warner is milking this album, it will leave a bigger impact.

[mclaren]

Your attitude isn't cute or funny. The two things are unrelated and your post had nothing to do with this thread really.

you know, you're right. they are different.

[Guest Holden]

Your attitude isn't cute or funny. The two things are unrelated and your post had nothing to do with this thread really. All you did was try to make me feel bad for calling a bad move when I see it, and you know what? You failed. I stand by my words, Andres' handled the whole thing like shit. But this isn't the place to argue about it, so why go off topic? It's irrelevant.

Im not cute? or funny? well that just sucks, 'cause i totally thought i was... there goes my day.

You were calling a bad move when you saw it, mclaren and others were calling a bad move (Green Day's milking of AI) when they saw it.

Its an analogy. Aren't they fun?

[justcause]

wow, you know, if i hadn't have guessed, i would have thought you were asking what i would have turned up at....

Ok, ok - my mistake. So why don't you care about your hypothetical European fans ?

[Guest Quietus]

you know, you're right. they are different.

That's not cute either. I know what an analogy is, and his was a shitty one.

You were calling a bad move when you saw it, mclaren and others were calling a bad move (Green Day's milking of AI) when they saw it.

Two things are still different. They are different circumstances. Green Day's 'bad move' wasn't really a bad move. It was the courteous thing to do, and the right thing to do if they didn't want to be assholes and they wanted to be gracious. Andres was just trying to prove he could be something he wasn't. But that's not what this thread is about.

[zoki]

they were on fuse so many times the past year since AI was released. making of BOBD, making of AI, making of holiday, bullet in a bible, 100% green day. however many times they were on the tonight show or the late show. they were over doing it. and it did get annoying. people i know got tired of AI and them. i have a friend in the air force and they literally started screaming and damaged the radio when it came on.

Hmmh, I always thought, well for music channels anyway, they tend to play what is popular and requested frequently, and green day falls under both of those catagories, like it or not. I'm sure that they don't send Steven threat letters to play them on his show, or any other music show/countdown.

P.S - the making of's are awsome.

[Robin]

Hmmh, I always thought, well for music channels anyway, they tend to play what is popular and requested frequently, and green day falls under both of those catagories, like it or not. I'm sure that they don't send Steven threat letters to play them on his show, or any other music show/countdown.

no kidding they didnt send him death letters dont make it sound so dumbed down. they over did it they didnt need so many making of the videos and all of that it gets annoying.

[Guest Holden]

That's not cute either. I know what an analogy is, and his was a shitty one.

Two things are still different. They are different circumstances. Green Day's 'bad move' wasn't really a bad move. It was the courteous thing to do, and the right thing to do if they didn't want to be assholes and they wanted to be gracious. Andres was just trying to prove he could be something he wasn't. But that's not what this thread is about.

Oh you're right. Green Day's wasnt a bad move because you say so, and Andres' was.. because you say so.

Gosh, and here I was trying to have a conversation with varying opinions, I forgot I was talking to the person who knows everything, and stating my opinion would just be out of the question.

[Guest Quietus]

they were on fuse so many times the past year since AI was released. making of BOBD, making of AI, making of holiday, bullet in a bible, 100% green day. however many times they were on the tonight show or the late show. they were over doing it. and it did get annoying. people i know got tired of AI and them. i have a friend in the air force and they literally started screaming and damaged the radio when it came on.

So what? No one is forcing you to watch fuse, you did that of your own accord. Besides, if it wasn't them up there it'd just be some other band you'd be bitching about it. I stand by what I said, it would be rude to tell them, "No, I'm too good to come on your show," or something like that. I don't see what's wrong with them enjoying their sucess.

Your friend needs anger management classes then.

[WaitingInBattleScars]

Hey, you know what? Why don't you all just try to get along? Fighting about this in one thread is enough, you don't need to spread it into a bunch of others. Just grow up and stop taking the piss out of each other over stupid shit.

[Guest Quietus]

Oh you're right. Green Day's wasnt a bad move because you say so, and Andres' was.. because you say so.

Gosh, and here I was trying to have a conversation with varying opinions, I forgot I was talking to the person who knows everything, and stating my opinion would just be out of the question.

I feel it wasn't a bad mood because it was the nice thing to do, if they did not want to be rude. I'm not even addressing the second half of it because it's off topic.

It's all opinion, so of course I'm going to think I'm right and state it as fact. Deal with it. That's the point of people having different opinions - it makes the world go round.

[Robin]

So what? No one is forcing you to watch fuse, you did that of your own accord. Besides, if it wasn't them up there it'd just be some other band you'd be bitching about it. I stand by what I said, it would be rude to tell them, "No, I'm too good to come on your show," or something like that. I don't see what's wrong with them enjoying their sucess.

Your friend needs anger management classes then.

no shit i didnt watch fuse. i skimmed through the tv guide and saw all of that on there. and if it were some other band i wouldnt care because the media didnt push that band as much as they pushed green day... okay green day shoes!? underwear?. my friend doesnt need anger management classes he spent 26 hours in a sweat box for the air force training and when he got out they had to punch him in the stomach to simulate how itd be if they were being tortured or held hostage. so when he came to his dorm and he was already pissed enough and then the most overrated song in the world comes on of course youd be in a bad mood and take it out on that.

[mclaren]

Ok, ok - my mistake. So why don't you care about your hypothetical European fans ?

it isn't a matter of not caring. i just personally hate all things to do with the british media, and most popular music that comes out of the uk. now, easily some of the best bands in the world today are british, but they're basically the polar opposites of who these shows award. why would i arrange to go all the way overseas for something i try to avoid like a plague? and don't say "because of the fans", because most bands do european tours.

[Guest Holden]

I feel it wasn't a bad mood because it was the nice thing to do, if they did not want to be rude. I'm not even addressing the second half of it because it's off topic.

It's all opinion, so of course I'm going to think I'm right and state it as fact. Deal with it. That's the point of people having different opinions - it makes the world go round.

Whatever you say, your opinion is fact, right?

anyway, have a good night, I have to go.

[zoki]

no kidding they didnt send him death letters dont make it sound so dumbed down. they over did it they didnt need so many making of the videos and all of that it gets annoying.

Woah, here we go again. American idiot wouldn't have sold nearly as much without the vid's, no doubt, but hey, no one's forcing you to sit infront of your mtv, or your fuse, vh1, muchmusic or any other crappy music station there is.

Sure, they didn't need to make videos. But then again, nobody else needs to make them either. Many artist this past year have had 4 or more vids. Quen, Kanye, Fiddy, Miss. Carey (did you see what I did there, I can't spell her first name), and my personal favourite, U2.

And, I did the whole "dumb down" thing just cause, this whole this is so over analyzed. It music people, they make it, they play it, and they just happen to be mainstream so, they tend to make vid's to support their work.

[Guest Quietus]

no shit i didnt watch fuse. i skimmed through the tv guide and saw all of that on there. and if it were some other band i wouldnt care because the media didnt push that band as much as they pushed green day... okay green day shoes!? underwear?. my friend doesnt need anger management classes he spent 26 hours in a sweat box for the air force training and when he got out they had to punch him in the stomach to simulate how itd be if they were being tortured or held hostage. so when he came to his dorm and he was already pissed enough and then the most overrated song in the world comes on of course youd be in a bad mood and take it out on that.

Oh come on, the media pushes so many bands. MCR, FOB, Panic!, etc. Please. And even if the media pushed them, how is that their faults for not being assholes and refusing to go on any of their shows? I mean, honestly, stop bitching like a two year old. If you don't like it, don't watch the channel and shut the fuck up. Listen to whatever you want and get over it.

Whatever you say, your opinion is fact, right?

anyway, have a good night, I have to go.

Hey you got it right!

[Robin]

Woah, here we go again. American idiot wouldn't have sold nearly as much without the vid's, no doubt, but hey, no one's forcing you to sit infront of your mtv, or your fuse, vh1, muchmusic or any other crappy music station there is.

Sure, they didn't need to make videos. But then again, nobody else needs to make them either. Many artist this past year have had 4 or more vids. Quen, Kanye, Fiddy, Miss. Carey (did you see what I did there, I can't spell her first name), and my personal favourite, U2.

And, I did the whole "dumb down" thing just cause, this whole this is so over analyzed. It music people, they make it, they play it, and they just happen to be mainstream so, they tend to make vid's to support their work.

i know no one is forcing me which is why i didnt watch them as ive said before. it just gets annoying and who cares if those other artists have 4 or more vids out they dont have all the making of shit or the underwear

Oh come on, the media pushes so many bands. MCR, FOB, Panic!, etc. Please. And even if the media pushed them, how is that their faults for not being assholes and refusing to go on any of their shows? I mean, honestly, stop bitching like a two year old. If you don't like it, don't watch the channel and shut the fuck up. Listen to whatever you want and get over it.

Hey you got it right!

dont tell me to shut the fuck up i never told you shit like that and you say im the one acting like a two year old?! way to go.

[Guest Quietus]

dont tell me to shut the fuck up i never told you shit like that and you say im the one acting like a two year old?! way to go.

It's a little thing called freedom of speech.

[zoki]

So what? No one is forcing you to watch fuse, you did that of your own accord. Besides, if it wasn't them up there it'd just be some other band you'd be bitching about it. I stand by what I said, it would be rude to tell them, "No, I'm too good to come on your show," or something like that. I don't see what's wrong with them enjoying their sucess.

Your friend needs anger management classes then.

You know what, I found it heart warming when green day appeared on Stevens Untitled rock show (tre wasn't there, spending time with his kid). Here they are, the biggest band in the world, and on a show, that isn't so high on views. Green day, supporting the rock community, and who ever said they weren't humble.