AustralianIdiot Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 A lot of you just want green day to be un popular so you: Have a closer view of them at their shows due to less people. You have more of a chance to meet Billie joe without teenies swooming him if he took half a step out in public. AND a lot of you who think like this are teenies yourself who are selfish and don't care about Green Day's success, just your own benefits. And these teenies themselve's are saying "Cant wait till the rest of people like me get over Green Day so I can have them to my own liking. As for AI ending and some of you 'hoping' this will sort out all the teenies'.. It wont, they may be a bit more calm in the next year following Green Day's next album, but I can assure you their 'Hawtness' will bring them all back. That's what bands are today, TRL doesn't help when they play half a minute of the song's on their countdown because their to busy interviewing the bands and helping all the screamings girls see their hero's in person. What happend to being about the music? *claps* Great post, saves me from writing it all out myself :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Eater Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Love youuuuu!!! Thank god. I was afraid someone was going to agree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclaren Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 mclaren, it would seem you have never listened to American Idiot. You actually think Warning was more original? American Idiot blows nearly every other rock and roll record out of the water! It's incredibly original, filled with unexpected moves, five-part songs, soft ballads that melt into hard guitar riffs, incredibly poetic lyrics... american idiot is the same pop-punk sound we've been hearing in the mainstream for a while now, whereas find me another band that sounds like warning-era green day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabz_baby89 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 i think ive said this before, but when it comes to the whole image thing, green day do what they do because they can. they are a fucking kick-ass band and probably dont give a shit what all the critics think of them and the so-called AI era. they have complete creative control over what they produce in the studio, how they present themselves etc not many other bands have that kind of freedom. if your gunna call them sell outs then u may as well say they sold out when they released dookie. personally i think in terms of advertising and marketing PR shit, its gone a bit overboard, but i dont think the band has much to do with that side at all. they are just in it for the music. which at the end of the day isnt that what its all about?? and as for the movie... i reckon its a cool idea, yeh it probably will suck, but who cares?? itll probably rid us of the teenies for a while.... maybe..... in my dreams lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me American Idiot Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I think that once you get to a certain level of "popularity" as a band, it's hard not to sell-out because there are so many hands in the cookie jar, that it must be very hard for the band to have control over everything, without seeing a portion of it, there for it gives a lot of leeway for the record company to do, basically, what they want with the bands name. It's sad, but its how the cookie crumbles...heh. But I think Green day did a good job of presenting what they belive in, and carried them with that. Change is not bad.....most people are just afraid of it, and that's usually where you get most of your cruel names like "sell outs." They'll always fuckin rock though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclaren Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Well, that would kind of be impossible, since most of what we're expressing here is of the opinion category, not fact. But I can tell you that your conclusion that someone who's adventurous onstage would not feel insecure offstage shows a lack of understanding of the human psyche. Justcause said it best, so I won't go into it further. i didn't say he wasn't insecure in general, but i can't believe someone would claim he'd be insecure over something as insignificant as eyeliner. that's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Eater Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Maybe it just didn't occur to him to wear it until they started wearing dressier clothes. I believe Mike said at one point that the whole suit-wearing thing started with them just doing it before AI came out, because they liked it. And then they decided to keep doing it. Anyway, if it's so insignificant, why did you use it in your argument against them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclaren Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 i didn't use it in my argument at all. i made an off-hand comment about it and it got taken this far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Eater Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Well, I guess that's part of all of your comments coming across as argumentative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclaren Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 there was still nothing incorrect about what i said. i just wouldn't use such a point in an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Eater Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Stop talking about your arguements being correct or incorrect. This is all speculation, so none of us know what the truth is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclaren Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 it's speculation that wearing eyeliner is popular in pop-punk circles? if you're going to call me "full of shit", at least do so when i've said something wrong. instead you've just said i'm full of shit without addressing anything i'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Eater Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 it's speculation that wearing eyeliner is popular in pop-punk circles? if you're going to call me "full of shit", at least do so when i've said something wrong. instead you've just said i'm full of shit without addressing anything i'm saying. I think you're full of shit about the American Idiot album. But again, that's all about opinion. I'm allowed to disagree strongly with your opinion without having to prove any part of it undeniably "wrong." You just can't do that when talking about music, unless we're talking about specific music structure and theory. Other than that, it all comes down to personal taste. And you speculated about the fact that wearing eyeliner is popular in pop-punk circles is the reason Billie Joe started wearing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclaren Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I think you're full of shit about the American Idiot album. But again, that's all about opinion. I'm allowed to disagree strongly with your opinion without having to prove any part of it undeniably "wrong." You just can't do that when talking about music, unless we're talking about specific music structure and theory. Other than that, it all comes down to personal taste. And you speculated about the fact that wearing eyeliner is popular in pop-punk circles is the reason Billie Joe started wearing it. okay, but you haven't even said why you disagree with anything i've said. i've presented my opinion and i've backed that up with reasons for that opinion. you've just stated your opinion and i'm left to wonder why you think that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie_Joe_Rox_My_Sox Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 they aren't sell outs. most people are just jealous of em' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Eater Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 okay, but you haven't even said why you disagree with anything i've said. i've presented my opinion and i've backed that up with reasons for that opinion. you've just stated your opinion and i'm left to wonder why you think that way. I could go into reasons why I think American Idiot is more complex and successful as an album than anything they've done previously, but what does it matter if it won't change your opinion? And anyway, Justcause pretty much shares my mind on this issue, and she's much more articulate than I. Go back and read what she wrote about the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Misery_ Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 And yet what she says probably has more truth than any of the explanations you've given. I think he's finally happy with the way he looks for a change. Is that so much harder to believe than your theory of strategically planned image-control, designed to target an audience of white suburban Americans aged 12-24? Thank you. go...now...to hell. I was just saying my suggestion in a joking way. Plus, is it impossible that maybe he actually does think he looks good with eyeliner, so that's why he wears it? If so, I agree because he can pull it off better than any other man. Plus, it's just eyeliner, so I'm done with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~*johanna*~ Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Thank you. I was just saying my suggestion in a joking way. Plus, is it impossible that maybe he actually does think he looks good with eyeliner, so that's why he wears it? If so, I agree because he can pull it off better than any other man. Plus, it's just eyeliner, so I'm done with that. Yeah, it's just eyeliner. I think he looks hot with or without it. It's not like it's killing anyone that he wears it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoki Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 it's also taking jobs away from people who want it more, and putting more money it warners and green day's pockets than to people who need it more . . . like some guy that has this small band, he's just starting out playing in a small local punk club, and his band stickers are in a music shop . . . but one day the music shop can't sell them because green day stickers are filling up the wall that used to be filled with underground bands stickers . . . there are many other larger cases i could point out, but im tired green day started like that, they started by playing in clubs, posting their band name on street corners, they did all of that shit (although it might not have been stickers) do you think, if green day came out on a major label back in 91' they would have a chance to keep up with nirvana, guns n roses and other big name acts, fuck no the dude playing in the small band should though it out, i mean billie, mike and tre did. they toured in a van, slept in fans houses, all of that shit, he should too, that what makes or breaks you. if an artist is just handed their fame, they make shit music. and how dare you say "people who want it more" by watching bullet, i realized that the guys have an obsessive connection to music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under_Fire Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 i'm glad the ai era is ending.... ^ AMEN!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillie Boe. Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 i'm glad the ai era is ending.... sorry but that's bullshit. i don't get why all these new fans are suddenly deciding that the ai era is uncool and should end, if it wasn't for this era they wouldn't of even of heard of green day. I have my own reasons for wanting the ai era to end. I don't think any fan that became a fan because of ai should have a say on this at all. I mean they can post in this topic, but their opinion doesn't really count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netty Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 I cant even remember what this topic is supposed to be about. but saying that somebody who has been a fan simply because of american idiot.. well fuck you. just because somebody gets into a band because of their latest album doenst mean they dont have brains. and even if they dont... they still have a right to an opinon. on here or anywhere else! their opinion ir as valid as yours or mine. and as for whose opinion counts... if you are talking about those who have any influence over greend ays actual actions... their shows, thier recordings.... none of us have a single thing to do with it. or their clothes. their make up. sorry but when people start with the old " I`ve been a fan longer than you so my view is more important than yours" shit! bollocks! the only view that counts... is the bands! fuck the press. fuck what the fans think. the bands view comes first and foremost.. the day they start spending more time thinking about what some fuckied up fan thinks over what they personally think about their music.... this band is sunk so far into the shit they wont ever recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillie Boe. Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 I cant even remember what this topic is supposed to be about. but saying that somebody who has been a fan simply because of american idiot.. well fuck you. just because somebody gets into a band because of their latest album doenst mean they dont have brains. and even if they dont... they still have a right to an opinon. on here or anywhere else! their opinion ir as valid as yours or mine. and as for whose opinion counts... if you are talking about those who have any influence over greend ays actual actions... their shows, thier recordings.... none of us have a single thing to do with it. or their clothes. their make up. sorry but when people start with the old " I`ve been a fan longer than you so my view is more important than yours" shit! bollocks! the only view that counts... is the bands! fuck the press. fuck what the fans think. the bands view comes first and foremost.. the day they start spending more time thinking about what some fuckied up fan thinks over what they personally think about their music.... this band is sunk so far into the shit they wont ever recover. fine your right their opinions do count i take that back, but have you noticed that now it's suddenly becoming this huge trend to hate ai, for example rockchick86 said a while back how much she loved ai and how great it is and how it's the best album ever, now look at it she's always saying how sad it is, how it should end and that they should go back to their old stuff, when she didn't even know who they were then, she's only been a fan for a couple of months she said on one of her topics a while back. I'm not talking about all new fans, no just the fans that change their opinion about what they think because of others and because it's uncool. But this isn't just new fans, even some of the older fans say i hate ai but really their just doing it because it's a trend. I hope i made sense, i should really explain my points fully in future. no offense to rockchick86 if she reads this, i just couldn't find anybody that could be as a good example as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netty Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 all I can say is " same old same old" seen this all too often. every album brings out the so called " hard core" fans. and the newer fans take a beating. its a wonder the idiot club got the membership it has. just going from the fan site forums reactions towards newer fans. all I can say to the so called hardcore fans.... " hey, you up there on your pedastal. you stuck there up in the conceited clouds. all you do by taking that stance is cut yourself off from the rest of the fan base. give yourself virtigo and nose bleeds. you are no better than the rest of us. if you seriously believe you are better than us. then come back and tell us what it is like when reality smacks you right in the face!" a fan is a fan is a fan. I get impatient with the billie lovers... but I still dont think I have any more right to the band than they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjTheAndroid Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 hating american idiot is the new black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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