Green Day's bad PR

[Tinka]

I think they released too many songs from their album and some people got tired of that (not me personally) but I think a lot of critics have.

[beat on the brat]

not sexist at all....just stating something I have noticed through seeing a lot of posts and the responses I get from girls.

you're an arsehole. go jump in a pit of snakes and die.

[presidentgasman]

not sexist at all....just stating something I have noticed through seeing a lot of posts and the responses I get from girls.

...I think you need to read the dictionary a bit.

[**nobodylikesyou**]

Makes me think that you think you are inferier and you see a contrast between a fan like you and a fan like me and you hate the fact that I am right and you can't stand this invisible wal that is old fans on one side with the belief that Green Day has sold out and on the other side there are the newer fans who are tall enough to peak over the wall and see the older fans veiws because your denial is stuck so far up your ass that you can't see the full picture. I don't give a shit if you have a million interviews of the band. It still done't mean that you inderstand them. and when I mean there old fan base were like 25 to like 30 year lds mostly..I meant to say like in the pits and stuff and people that actually carred about the band more than just liked them because they were on MTV. many older people respected the band becasue of what they beleved...most of these people were thse that were lost in the old pun kgernerations and couldn't take the music that was being emptied out on mainstream society...So, When green day arrived they leatched on becasue they were the missing peiece of a lot of older punk bands that were only into it for the fashion and to prove who was more pun kthan the next...I guess you could call this ear the Second Punk movement when punk was no lng about what you wore....but more about how you lived your lives. Thats why i think manmy older people attached to them.

THATS WHAT YOU THINK? Well YOU THINK Wrong. That not why I latched onto them.

(** Besides you were three yrs old when they started out, you expect us to take you seriously regardling the old vs new thing. Shut it.)

[Guest Immortality]

THATS WHAT YOU THINK? Well YOU THINK Wrong. That not why I latched onto them.

(** Besides you were three yrs old when they started out, you expect us to take you seriously regardling the old vs new thing. Shut it.)

That made my day. YOU THOUGHT WRONG GODDAMIT!

:laugh:

[woven_basketcase]

they might have overdone it a bit, but hey, its not their fault, really.

these shows, like the VMA's and shit, keep nominating them, and they keep winning.

like the VMA's, there were only a few categorey's you could actually vote in, yet they won most of the other categories that couldn't be voted on.

and the teenie boppers weren't much help at all.............

i like the old and new.

i'm not complaining that much.

they're not really sellouts, they're just doing what they want.

as long as they make great music, i'm good.

and the teenie boppers need to go away.

[zoki]

oh yea you can tell that im a girl by the way i type, i thought sexism ended in the 90's, anyone...

and i wasnt infering anything, i have seen you enjoiskaterguy on this site many times, saying the same thing, like a broken record, obviosly you think what you think, but the problem is that, you think that you and only you are right, i however have an open mind towards many things, and yes, that does make me better than you, so right now i will do the only thing a girl can do when she is typing (at least what you think so) BILLIE JOE IS SEXY AND I WANT TO BANG HIM

there, did that comfirm your steriotypical attitude

and i was only stating that i have a lot of green day interviews because you did in another thread, and according to you, that somehow gives you the power to be an asshole

and no mclaren, hitler killing a jew does not effect me personaly, but i choose what i care about and what i dont, the death of innocent people, i care about, billie joe wearing eyeliner, i dont

[zoki]

enjoystaterpunk or what ever

"and when I mean there old fan base were like 25 to like 30 year lds mostly..I meant to say like in the pits and stuff and people that actually carred about the band more than just liked them because they were on MTV." as you can see i have developed my own way of quoting

there are at least 5 teachers in my school that are green day fans, all of which are 28 or older (and they wouldnt have become such die-hard fans if gd didnt come up with american idiot) , they care about the music, but just because i am not old and bitter doesnt mean that i dont care about the music

green day still have their old fans who "care about the music" aswell as new ones who also "care about the music", i think that no matter what age, or what gender (reaction to your raging hormones comment, oh yea fuck you to that), if a girl didnt really like the music, she wouldnt be all "omg hes so sek-c" about the artists, i think brondon flowers is fairly hot, but do i like his music, no

and i dont watch mtv, because im canadian and we have our own answer to that (muchmusic) but music stations are a great way to introduce people into an artist, and admit it or not, you saw green day with welcome to paradise is 94, on mtv, and you shit your pants, and you would not have found out about them if they didnt become mainstream, so really, you are the one that is in DENIAL (capitals for extra effect)

[Havinagreenday08]

Warner Bros is like a cult i swear.

I think the boys are just really self conscience. I mean their earlier career has been like a haze, like a dream.

After they cleaned themselves up, overcame difficulties, they ahd no idea what their fans expected. They let Waner tell them what to do in hopes to achieve, and when they did, they were too blind to see how much they really rode this thing.

Now i think they are in such a whole, they can't get out. The only thing that might help is another break, and another reinvention.

But the boys are getting old, aren't they?

[ChemicEmotions]

I don't know, I keep on reading over and over that "we don't know them personally" but how can we not? They write their own fucking songs, and I'd think that they'd have some relationship to it. "back then" Billie wrote a lot of songs about being fucked up and high and drunk. So we all knew he did that shit. Now, he talks about his post trauma with getting fucked up high and drunk. To me, American Idiot is about him going through destruction with drugs. So for me being a big fan? Yeah, I think I would know them a little bit personally because I take their songs and actually listen to them, actually GET WHAT THEY are saying, and not just like them because he's 'hawt'.

[**nobodylikesyou**]

I don't know, I keep on reading over and over that "we don't know them personally" but how can we not? They write their own fucking songs, and I'd think that they'd have some relationship to it. "back then" Billie wrote a lot of songs about being fucked up and high and drunk. So we all knew he did that shit. Now, he talks about his post trauma with getting fucked up high and drunk. To me, American Idiot is about him going through destruction with drugs. So for me being a big fan? Yeah, I think I would know them a little bit personally because I take their songs and actually listen to them, actually GET WHAT THEY are saying, and not just like them because he's 'hawt'.

I do the same thing but that doesnt change the fact that i dont ACTUALLY know them, I know what has been shown to me thru songs and interviews and articles and performances but that is far different than who they really are. (if you have heard of Alice Cooper or Ted Nugent they are good examples) So we dont know the reasons for why things happen and why they dont. I know most of us are pretty open minded here and listen to both sides of issues and sometimes even change our minds. But when people try to force there opinions on you about something they really dont have a clue about is a bit sad. These people go overboard and get nasty about it. I am tired of it and wish when people turn it to a mean rude and personal issue that person should be banned for awhile. Its message board harassement. Oh and Merry Christmas Everyone!!!

[ChemicEmotions]

I do the same thing but that doesnt change the fact that i dont ACTUALLY know them, I know what has been shown to me thru songs and interviews and articles and performances but that is far different than who they really are. (if you have heard of Alice Cooper or Ted Nugent they are good examples) So we dont know the reasons for why things happen and why they dont. I know most of us are pretty open minded here and listen to both sides of issues and sometimes even change our minds. But when people try to force there opinions on you about something they really dont have a clue about is a bit sad. These people go overboard and get nasty about it. I am tired of it and wish when people turn it to a mean rude and personal issue that person should be banned for awhile. Its message board harassement. Oh and Merry Christmas Everyone!!!

Well, sure, I don't know what they do every morning, noon, and night. I don't know when they go to parties and how they party or if they even like them. But that wasn't my point.. what I was saying is, is that they write the songs, songs that basically say how they're feeling, how they reacted to certain things. So if I don't know somebody through music? That's stupid. Writing a song just tells, like Billie said, "How you fall in love, what pisses you off" etc, etc. -nods- I really do think I know Billie Joe, Tre, and Mike personally through their music. And you know what? THAT'S punk. That's what being a musician is: getting in touch with your fans.

Edit:: Oh, and Merry Early Christmas to you too.

[enjoiskaterguy]

oh yea you can tell that im a girl by the way i type, i thought sexism ended in the 90's, anyone...

and i wasnt infering anything, i have seen you enjoiskaterguy on this site many times, saying the same thing, like a broken record, obviosly you think what you think, but the problem is that, you think that you and only you are right, i however have an open mind towards many things, and yes, that does make me better than you, so right now i will do the only thing a girl can do when she is typing (at least what you think so) BILLIE JOE IS SEXY AND I WANT TO BANG HIM

there, did that comfirm your steriotypical attitude

and i was only stating that i have a lot of green day interviews because you did in another thread, and according to you, that somehow gives you the power to be an asshole

and no mclaren, hitler killing a jew does not effect me personaly, but i choose what i care about and what i dont, the death of innocent people, i care about, billie joe wearing eyeliner, i dont

oh yes..thank you it does. And when I mentioned I had a lot of interveiws and or live performances and such Im sure I wasn't being a dumbass like you and say it just to say it. nice braggin there....aren't you cute.

[justcause]

oh yea you can tell that im a girl by the way i type, i thought sexism ended in the 90's, anyone...

and i wasnt infering anything, i have seen you enjoiskaterguy on this site many times, saying the same thing, like a broken record, obviosly you think what you think, but the problem is that, you think that you and only you are right, i however have an open mind towards many things, and yes, that does make me better than you, so right now i will do the only thing a girl can do when she is typing (at least what you think so) BILLIE JOE IS SEXY AND I WANT TO BANG HIM

there, did that comfirm your steriotypical attitude

and i was only stating that i have a lot of green day interviews because you did in another thread, and according to you, that somehow gives you the power to be an asshole

and no mclaren, hitler killing a jew does not effect me personaly, but i choose what i care about and what i dont, the death of innocent people, i care about, billie joe wearing eyeliner, i dont

I'm old-school punk; all the guys I knew back in the day wore at least eyeliner, many of them wouldn't have left the house without their lipstick.

There were the guys and girls with spectacular mohicans. There were the goths who walked around chained to each other. There were girls with full 1950s bee-hive hairdos, mods, teddies, rude boys, fashion based on 1930s Berlin - there was evrything you could think of, and the main thing you wanted was to loook different from everyone else. It was an explosion of self-expression that went with the whole social movement punk started, it was when, as Billie is so fond of saying, music actually was 'fun and dangerous at the same time'.

While the eyeliner issue seems trivial, the criticism about it is just one more sign of how conservative thngs are these days - are we going backwards?

Billie particularly seems to be revelling in his new look, to me it's like he's inhabiting a part of himself he's been denying for a long time, and if he's finding expression that way, it bodes well for his art in the future.

A little bit of liner and a hair-do -big deal! Call me when he fetches up in a bra!

Because, here's the thing - he's a great artist, he's a fascinating man, he's also sexy and fun. None of these things contradict each other, and people have a response to all of them.

I also think people should stop talking about teenage fans as if they don't have a right to exist - how old were Mike and Billie when they first met up and started talking about music - 15? Younger?

[zoki]

oh yes..thank you it does. And when I mentioned I had a lot of interveiws and or live performances and such Im sure I wasn't being a dumbass like you and say it just to say it. nice braggin there....aren't you cute.

fuck you, now im a dumbass now for expressing my opinion

and when i said the interview thing, i was also using it to back up my views, because of course i wouldnt ever want you to think i was fake now would i

and yes i am pretty cute

[mbk]

I think 'backlash' is the name of the game ; artists, no matter how big they are , live or die at the whim

of the public, and when they cease to amuse that public, or their mystery is gone through over-exposure, then their only value for the vultures is to shoot them down.

With Green Day though, it always seemed like they were sort of above and outside of all the media hype and bullshit. During Dookie they openly mocked the commercial machinery that was spinning them into some big success story, now it's not as obvious because they go along with it and don't fight it, but I think it's still the same: they have very strongly held core values and that has never changed. All the commercialization just spins around them, but they're only responsible for the music and that's as solid and heartfelt as ever.

I pay no attention to what goes on in mainstram music, so whenever I see an awards show or something that Green Day is a part of, it's like they wandered into that scene from another planet. They are worlds apart. Pay no attention to the window dressing, it has nothing to do with what they're about.

[netty]

With Green Day though, it always seemed like they were sort of above and outside of all the media hype and bullshit. During Dookie they openly mocked the commercial machinery that was spinning them into some big success story, now it's not as obvious because they go along with it and don't fight it, but I think it's still the same: they have very strongly held core values and that has never changed. All the commercialization just spins around them, but they're only responsible for the music and that's as solid and heartfelt as ever.

I pay no attention to what goes on in mainstram music, so whenever I see an awards show or something that Green Day is a part of, it's like they wandered into that scene from another planet. They are worlds apart. Pay no attention to the window dressing, it has nothing to do with what they're about.

I could snog the face off you for that last sentance alone!

[Samantha]

With Green Day though, it always seemed like they were sort of above and outside of all the media hype and bullshit. During Dookie they openly mocked the commercial machinery that was spinning them into some big success story, now it's not as obvious because they go along with it and don't fight it, but I think it's still the same: they have very strongly held core values and that has never changed. All the commercialization just spins around them, but they're only responsible for the music and that's as solid and heartfelt as ever.

I pay no attention to what goes on in mainstram music, so whenever I see an awards show or something that Green Day is a part of, it's like they wandered into that scene from another planet. They are worlds apart. Pay no attention to the window dressing, it has nothing to do with what they're about.

Fucking hell you're brilliant!!!!! That was beautiful

[Lilaxe]

The movie, the infant clothing, Dean Gray.

Yeah, if selling out is anything, a good example is Green Day.

[heartlikegrenade]

selling out...

well take into consideration how unsuccessful albums such as shenanigans, international superhits, and warning are compared to their other albumx. its just that ameriacn idiot is one of green day's albums that sold alot so because of that everyone thinks that they are seeling out. success does not mean that they are selling out. it just means that they made a record that everyone loves and im proud of them for that. as far as all the clothing and ipod cases and all that other merch who cares? if you like it buy it, if you dont then dont. my opinion is just focus on the music. green day doesnt make music that we want to hear. they make music that they want to hear and if we like it, then GREAT. i dont think green day has sold out. all their merch that they sell helps them fund what they love to do most, make music. just watch biab or any other convert and you can tell what amazing people billie, mike, tre, jason and everyone else is. they are making music and having the time of their life doing it. so i hope green day keeps making music and doing what they are doing. i dont care about the merch or the opinion of others like saying they are selling out. if you think they sold out then fuck you. i live for the music and thats what is important. long live green day.

[Dannit]

i enjoy the cd, but yes, i seem to be hating green day whenever i see them on, like TRL . . . and when their on their and they're excited about it . . . or when my mom actually knows a song, or when people that dont even get the music are liking it . . . i hope its like dookie, which was followed by insomniac . . i hope AI is followed by a cd which is the same great quality, if not better, but with less control over the band and coverage by people that don't know what its about . .

and i hope billie cuts his hair and they change, because i'm sick of red and black goddamnit

[Guest Immortality]

I could snog the face off you for that last sentance alone!

Does this mean I have to get in line?

[Soysauce]

With Green Day though, it always seemed like they were sort of above and outside of all the media hype and bullshit. During Dookie they openly mocked the commercial machinery that was spinning them into some big success story, now it's not as obvious because they go along with it and don't fight it, but I think it's still the same: they have very strongly held core values and that has never changed. All the commercialization just spins around them, but they're only responsible for the music and that's as solid and heartfelt as ever.

I pay no attention to what goes on in mainstram music, so whenever I see an awards show or something that Green Day is a part of, it's like they wandered into that scene from another planet. They are worlds apart. Pay no attention to the window dressing, it has nothing to do with what they're about.

That pretty much sums it up right there.

[mclaren]

all their merch that they sell helps them fund what they love to do most, make music.

yeah, green day are just struggling artists barely scraping by.

I pay no attention to what goes on in mainstram music, so whenever I see an awards show or something that Green Day is a part of, it's like they wandered into that scene from another planet. They are worlds apart. Pay no attention to the window dressing, it has nothing to do with what they're about.

they were worlds apart. i'd be hard pressed to find a awards show that green day didn't take part in last year.

[ArmatageShanks39]

they are charging 50+ bucks to see em so they can play big arenas filled with preppy rich girls and 8 year olds with their moms. which most of their older fans cant afford. That really pisses me off, and defines sellout. dont give me that "its warner bros" crap. they can play wherever they want. AI is a little better than warning, but now they are just plain boring people. Bullet in a bible was the most boring band dvd ive ever watched. They were dead serious in all their interviews.

long story short, they define sellout, but its none of my buisiness. If they wanna, thats their choice, and i still like their music. Its unhealthy to become too obsessed with a celebrity or something also. Its just all so fake. I mean, they are green day for crying out loud, we really know nothing about em no matter what we think.