Green Day's bad PR

[Jillie Boe.]

oh god, what am i trying to do. every single person on this fucking forum is a girl, and theyre gonna keep worshipping guys for their looks and never admit they did anything wrong, just like real life. fuck this.

okay pal, not every girl is like that. This is one of the reasons why it's better to be a guy. Your right there are some girls here who are like "omg billie is so hot" which makes the rest of us look bad, but don't blame everyone of us. I don't even find any of the members of green day good looking... men

[**nobodylikesyou**]

personally, i dont care if they change back. like my analogy yesterday, if your girlfriend went out fucked 50 people, would you just take em back? no. theyve changed, and abandoned their real fans. this isnt easy for me, so dont give me shit for this. theyve been...dareisayit...a part of my life for a really long time, but there comes a time when you just have to say...hey, this isnt what i thought it was. and theres no use in living a lie.

They say everyone old and new are their fans. They don't consider only their old fans the real fans like you do. So my question to you is if they consider all fans to be their fans then why do you feel they have abandoned you? Because they certainly dont think they have abandoned anyone. They have been a part of my life for longer than they have been part of yours and I dont feel abandoned or like I need to abandon them since they arent the same carbon copy of themselves from 15 yrs ago. People change and evolve their whole lives. I imagine your mom and dad are totally different than they were 15 yrs ago. I know I am. Bottom line is if you like their music then you should like them. If you dont then you should move on. But if you like the music but think they arent who they say they are when all you really know if their stage persona (chances are you have no idea who they are because you dont know them personally) maybe you should rethink how seriously you are taking GD.

[Gimme_Novacaine]

oh god, what am i trying to do. every single person on this fucking forum is a girl, and theyre gonna keep worshipping guys for their looks and never admit they did anything wrong, just like real life. fuck this.

There are not only girls on this forum. Try again. :down:

The only girls who want to fuck them are girls 14 and under. NOT ALL OF THEM DONT BASH ME! But you know what I mean. There are times where I say "Oh god billie i want to fuck you" but hey, girls cant deny it. ITs better to tell the truth, but we see Green Day for speaking out to millions of people around the world and relate to what a teenager can relate to. That's their big target in my opinion, teens.

[skinnycow172]

I think I have actually gotten a little tired of them. I see them everywhere, all the time on Fuse network, in every issue of Rolling Stone, on concert T shirts kids wear to school, they are everywhere. Despite their constant rants telling us not to fall for corporate scams and blaming the media for America's consumerism, it doesn't seem like they are actually doing anything different.

I think the new album, American Idiot, would not have sold half as well if it was released three years ago when it was still considered unpatriotic to be a dove. Yes the album has political themes, but it is a shallow one, blaming one person for the blunders of an entire nation. The more I listen to the album, the more I think it could have been done better, with a wider analysis of the core of America's problems.

Even though Green Day is very flawed, it is because of my obession with them that I have started becoming more aware of national and international issues and started wondering what kind of life I want to live. No matter how commercial or annoying I consider them to be, they have promoted political activism to many people. Their popularity has resulted in more good than bad. Can we really expect more from anybody?

p.s.

greendayrocker409, don't you think you went a bit overboard with your analogy? You can hardly compare a rock band to your girlfriend.

[ArmatageShanks39]

lol, i always go overboard with analogys, thats what makes them effective.....theyre just not fun like they used to be. if anyone watched that video, it DOES seem like theyre faking it on stange, and it DOES seem like theyre trying to sell something. man, Fat Mike would rip em a new one if he talked to em.

[Joey]

There wont be any talk of them selling out in 15 years. American Idiot will be referred to as the album that relaunched their career, making them the biggest band on Earth, not as an album that sold a million band shirts.

There's an easy way to avoid all the hype and media attention that has been brought to Green Day recently, and it's to just ignore music TV (it's all repeated crap anyway) and don't even bother with the radio. I never listen to either and thusly I'm not sick of American Idiot or Green Day.

[Guest Immortality]

That one person is to be blammed.

And Joey, that's awesome, that's what I do. ^^

[ArmatageShanks39]

ps skinnycow, where in oregon are you from? jsut curious, im an oreonian too

[mclaren]

There wont be any talk of them selling out in 15 years. American Idiot will be referred to as the album that relaunched their career, making them the biggest band on Earth, not as an album that sold a million band shirts.

a) that's assuming anyone cares about green day then. after all, who was the biggest band in the world 15 years ago?

b) just because they won't be remembered for something doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[ArmatageShanks39]

a) that's assuming anyone cares about green day then. after all, who was the biggest band in the world 15 years ago?

b) just because they won't be remembered for something doesn't mean it didn't happen.

a) nirvana....i dont think people havnt forgotten about em :wink:

b) yes, your exactly right. people who are saying "this will be forgotten" obviously are just afraid that this will make them look uncool. i personally dont care, they have just kinda crossed the line of what i thougt they were, and it matters to me even if im the only one who will remember it.

[mclaren]

a) nirvana....i think people havnt forgotten about em :wink:

i thought about them, but nevermind wasn't released until 1991 and they were unheard of until later in that year.

[Guest Immortality]

a) that's assuming anyone cares about green day then. after all, who was the biggest band in the world 15 years ago?

b) just because they won't be remembered for something doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I can't believe I agree with you...but I do. But I am inclined to think they'll stick around a bit.

[Lorelei]

a) that's assuming anyone cares about green day then. after all, who was the biggest band in the world 15 years ago?

b) just because they won't be remembered for something doesn't mean it didn't happen.

U2

[ChemicEmotions]

I have mixed opinions about this issue. When American Idiot came out, I was really excited. And I was really impressed when it came out. But then, Boulevard got millions of tweeny boppers, saying "Oh godz! Billy jOe is HAWT!" and I was sick. But that's not the issue; the issue is, is that they're getting so big, MTV and VH1 are selling them out. It's not Green Day's fault. Not at all. It'd be bitchy of them to not accept it. But jesus, why do they keep on making videos? I'm really pissed that JOS is a music vid. And talks of GMV? Seriously, I think the usual five videos for them is enough. I'm really curious on what their new album will sound like; I hope it's more like their older stuff. You can't beat that.

And then there's the whole money issue. Wake Me Up was a budget breaker: I hate that. And on top of that, I didn't really like the video. The concept was great, but Sam Bayer did a terrible directing job. And what about the price of concert tickets? They used to be so low and now they're fucking high and I can't stand it anymore.

What I'm trying to say, is that I'm fucking pissed that Green Day is so big now. Punk isn't about being big, it's about saying "fuck you" to anything and everything. But now.. now, it's hard to tell whether or not a person says "I love Green Day' really loves GD for their music, not their looks. -.-' -sighs- I hope I made some sense. It's beginning to make me think if Green Day is really "punk" now, just not "another pop rock" band. [That's where I'm mixed up: Of course they're Punk, jesus, they fucking influenced a lot of people to play. That's punk. But to influence people to play for looks, that's not. -shrugs- I don't know what to think anymore]

Edit:: enjoiskaterguy, I watched your videos and I agree with the whole "this is what Minority meant" and shit like that.

[justcause]

yeah totally i mean it's not like green day are actually gonna be in it. I'm waiting for live freaky die freaky it's gonna be so cool, that's the movie i'm watching for sure

While I agree that the potential for a movie to be complete cheese is there, I think you have to keep an open mind - someone with vision could do something interesting with it , if they don't go for the obvious. They're getting someone with local knowledge todo the screenplay, I think Billie said.

Or they could have me!

HEY! GREEN DAY ! WILL WORK FOR HEART/HAND-GRENADE UNDERWEAR! LMFAO! :laugh:

[ChemicEmotions]

"yeah totally i mean it's not like green day are actually gonna be in it. I'm waiting for live freaky die freaky it's gonna be so cool, that's the movie i'm watching for sure "

yeah, like, oh my god.

-rolls eyes-

Green Day won't be in it PROBABLY because they're not actors. They're musicians. Hm.. yeah, I think that might be it..

[Joe Cool]

I just think everyone is ready for a new album, with new material, hopefully not politically laced bullshit again, I don't like it when music makes me think that hard.

[zoki]

someone before said that billie joe seems to be striving for the "fame" more than mike or tre

i strongly disagree

you cant trust the way the media portrays certain people

what with the confusion of expressing sarcasam and what-not

interviewers often misqoute/take out some parts of the sentance to fill their needs, being, to make my story more interesting by making the musician sound like an arrogant bitch

and because billie is the lead singer, he will be involved with more of that crap

sometimes people forget that warner is a huge fucking industry, they know if green day realeses another single, it will be a hit, equaling...more money for all

as for worst band in the world by ultamite guitar, that site is full of arrogant, dare i say, posers,

and i dont mean posers as in, im 11-i have no expeirience in the punk rock community, but if i wear black and eyeliner, i will sure as hell look like it, i mean poser as, hmmm i really do like green day...but wait, system of a down is so much heavier, so if i say i like them, and not green day, the masters of pop-punk-rock or any other label that gets thrown on em, i will be "more fucking hard-core" (sound it out with the -, it sounds cooler and more of what i am going for) ...man i hate metal-heads

anywho, i dont think that it is green day's fault at all, its warners for over exposing them, resulting in backlash, if green day takes a break, then i think that all of the haters (yea thats right, im gangster) will, get a life, or some kids or a hobby or something

i remember i used to make fun of bands that i hated, but i dont do that anymore, because somewhere out there, there is a kid whose life has been saved by this band that im hating on...and i think its pretty cowardly if you make fun of any band, even if they suck major ass

and btw, i will never lose any respect for gd, even if they did something crazy like...lick a toad....ill love em until the day i die, and i know that sounds over-exagerated but yea

p.s with green day's success, they have become an easy target, there are shit ass bands out their, who deserve the backlash more than green day does, but green day is at its hight-point right now in terms of fame, along with those millions who embrace every second of their being (including myself) there will also be those who shit on them, for one purpose, because i, aswell as many other, love them so basically its like "im punk, i hate mainstream things, rawr look at my curt cobain pic, rawr"

[justcause]

What do you guys think about all the bad PR (public relations) the guys have lately? I mean the Ultimate Guitar thing voting them worst band, I just got an email saying that "Music of the World" Magazine from Australia named Green Day "Sellouts of '05". Lots of their older fans saying they've pushed it too far.

Do you think they'll be able to put out more stuff without people already being tired of them? I remember earlier this year we all talked about the chance that Warner was going to ride GD's popularity too much and it would backfire on them. I think we can safely say thats happening.

I know we've had constant threads debating wether or not they've sold out, but i'm just wondering what do you guys think Green Day should not have done? What do you think they might have overdone?

I think 'backlash' is the name of the game ; artists, no matter how big they are , live or die at the whim

of the public, and when they cease to amuse that public, or their mystery is gone through over-exposure, then their only value for the vultures is to shoot them down.

I take the view that worthwhile artists deserve to have their work recieved in a spirit of generousity - because of what they've done in the past, we should bear with them and see where they're going with it.

And it's not like AI is a pile of shit, is it? Ok, it's not like their old stuff, but there are glimpses of the flame, aren't there?

I think the definitive answer lies in question - would you rather they hadn't done American Idiot? That there was continued silence from a band so many of us love with a passion?

Think of 'Insomniac' - my own pet album. That's where Green Day were experimental and innovative and trying to take punk in a deeper direction, and they got shat on for it. They cancelled their tour, they retreated to lick their wounds - lucky that we eventually got Nimrod, although that has its critics too.

Billie Joe Armstrong - big, major, important talent of our time. Also seems to need public validation like a drug, and as far as I can see, the guys are having a really good time with it. Let him have his emo hair - he's had enough shit, hasn't he?

The Warner machine, I have a major problem with - the way Green day are sold, and sold and sold. It's pretty cynical stuff, and it's hard to believe the band have no influence in it. I also have a problem with them charging a fee for their fan club, which amounts to exploiting the teenage hysteria surrounding AI.

At the end of the day, I find that I tend to separate their public image from their work, and their work is the important thing, and I ope they keep on doing it.

Or they could always sell AI to Disney.....!

[Green Daynger25]

I'm glad they did A.I. It has great songs on it, I dunno notice the huge 'banwagon' because I listen to no radio, if I am tired of A.I. I just throw on a different CD. The only channel's I watch are Discovery Channel, ESPN(2) and A&E, no Green Day there, plus not many Green Day fans in my area. When I see some one with a Green Day ball cap I am glad to see some one else for a change besides me, even if he is 10 years old.

[dirnt286]

I just think everyone is ready for a new album, with new material, hopefully not politically laced bullshit again, I don't like it when music makes me think that hard.

I dont think the political theme is part of their new album at all.

The only political songs are obviously American Idiot, and Holiday. The rest, is about the story. SO to say their new material is "politcally laced"....isnt exactly true.

They do talk about it too much in their live shows.

I think they should shut the fuck up, and let people decide for themselves. Plus, most of their audience cant vote.

[Green Daynger25]

^ so true about the voting.

'The people that your parents elect, the people that I elect, we're the fucking leaders don't let those bastards get you down, I'm trying to tell you what to do alright!'

[RevolutionRegained]

There wont be any talk of them selling out in 15 years. American Idiot will be referred to as the album that relaunched their career, making them the biggest band on Earth, not as an album that sold a million band shirts.

There's an easy way to avoid all the hype and media attention that has been brought to Green Day recently, and it's to just ignore music TV (it's all repeated crap anyway) and don't even bother with the radio. I never listen to either and thusly I'm not sick of American Idiot or Green Day.

exactly.

[luvgirlcl]

I think that right now it's the right time to go back to their off-tour, off-promotion time and to have their normalcy back and their family time. After they 'dissapear' from the spotlight for a while, everyone will focus on someone else and they won't appear in the media until the next album, unless they win the Grammy their nominated for. All of this was just a very special case of being 'the flavor of the week', only that said week was more than a year.

[justcause]

I have mixed opinions about this issue. When American Idiot came out, I was really excited. And I was really impressed when it came out. But then, Boulevard got millions of tweeny boppers, saying "Oh godz! Billy jOe is HAWT!" and I was sick. But that's not the issue; the issue is, is that they're getting so big, MTV and VH1 are selling them out. It's not Green Day's fault. Not at all. It'd be bitchy of them to not accept it. But jesus, why do they keep on making videos? I'm really pissed that JOS is a music vid. And talks of GMV? Seriously, I think the usual five videos for them is enough. I'm really curious on what their new album will sound like; I hope it's more like their older stuff. You can't beat that.

And then there's the whole money issue. Wake Me Up was a budget breaker: I hate that. And on top of that, I didn't really like the video. The concept was great, but Sam Bayer did a terrible directing job. And what about the price of concert tickets? They used to be so low and now they're fucking high and I can't stand it anymore.

What I'm trying to say, is that I'm fucking pissed that Green Day is so big now. Punk isn't about being big, it's about saying "fuck you" to anything and everything. But now.. now, it's hard to tell whether or not a person says "I love Green Day' really loves GD for their music, not their looks. -.-' -sighs- I hope I made some sense. It's beginning to make me think if Green Day is really "punk" now, just not "another pop rock" band. [That's where I'm mixed up: Of course they're Punk, jesus, they fucking influenced a lot of people to play. That's punk. But to influence people to play for looks, that's not. -shrugs- I don't know what to think anymore]

THAT'S THE END OF THE QUOTE - IT'S GOTTEN MIXED UP WITH MY REPLY SOMEHOW

At last! Someone else who questions Sam - 'he's emotionally involved in we do' - Bayer!

Guys - he isn't! He's trying to make little pseudo-movies, and you guys are not the stars, you're a fucking design element!

WMUWSE - Billie's big, important soul-searcher is reduced to the backing-track for an opportunistic, bland piece of story-telling that plays like a shampoo commericial. And then they stop the song dead, and dump this clip of two actors improvising banal dialogue that wouldn't be out of place in a Saturday morning drama class, and you almost forget the song altogether!

These are not the actions of someone who respect your work, they're the actions of someone patronising your asses off.

As for BIAB - shouldn't the director be invisible, not having a segment all to himself? :eyebrows