What Green Day used to be

[Poo]

Now that has substance! I enjoyed your argument and I give you respect for that. I agree that growth and change is healthy. And I guess older fans who got into them because they rejected the mainstream ideals of rock might now be disappointed with the path the band is taking in their public persona. The funny thing is that we will never know what they really think unless you know them personally...maybe this is a facade...mayeb its who they are now...all I know is that I miss the spontaneity and their "fuck everyone" attitude that made me fall in love with them in the first place...

I hope that other posters can put as much effort in their replies as you have...

Thank you! I respect you for being such an open-minded and admirable "arguer." 'Makes this seem more like a discussion rather than an argument.

But I think you summed it up right there - we can all assume on how they act and think and on whether or not all of this has been one big show, but we'll never really know. Even in interviews they can lie to get the reactions that they want (like Tre's "my favorite album is the one that comes with Bullet in a Bible!" in an interview not too long ago). But whatever the truth is, the reality is that they have indeed changed, and nothing like this video is going to do anything about it.

[relic]

watched the first 7 seconds. i cant be fucked to watch the rest

[xXDissapearing.GirlXx]

My god damn bad! I meant it is your opinion, and you can;t blame someone for every mistake they make. You see it as them selling out, while all I see is a difference in character, but neither of our opinions really matter because I don't think Green Day would care.

[mclaren]

My god damn bad! I meant it is your opinion, and you can;t blame someone for every mistake they make. You see it as them selling out, while all I see is a difference in character, but neither of our opinions really matter because I don't think Green Day would care.

yeah, you're right, it's a difference in character. the thing is, that character has sold out.

[xXDissapearing.GirlXx]

We all want a perfect punk rock band that is isn't foulable, and thats what it soundslike you are expecting out of Green Day and i's just not fair. It will never happen and we just need to get over the fact that they've made mistakes.

[jayjaded]

My god damn bad! I meant it is your opinion, and you can;t blame someone for every mistake they make. You see it as them selling out, while all I see is a difference in character, but neither of our opinions really matter because I don't think Green Day would care.

It's like arguing with a person with down syndrome...never mind....

[mclaren]

We all want a perfect punk rock band that is isn't foulable, and thats what it soundslike you are expecting out of Green Day and i's just not fair. It will never happen and we just need to get over the fact that they've made mistakes.

if they classified it as a mistake, that would be acceptable. unfortunately, billie joe isn't classifying any of this as a mistake.

[xXDissapearing.GirlXx]

It's like arguing with a person with down syndrome...never mind....

ok, I can't spell becauseI'm typing so fast, get over it.

[jayjaded]

We all want a perfect punk rock band that is isn't foulable, and thats what it soundslike you are expecting out of Green Day and i's just not fair. It will never happen and we just need to get over the fact that they've made mistakes.

not foulable...fallible

ok, I can't spell becauseI'm typing so fast, get over it.

You can't spell because you don't know how...and it's not your poor spelling or grammar but rather your weak arguments...

I challenge you to write one proper sentence...fuck I'm half way to drunk and I write better than you!

[xXDissapearing.GirlXx]

This is last I'm posting here because I'm sick of it. Green Day worked their asses off making American Idiot. They made a strong statement about something that needed to be said. They weren't even sure if people would buy the c.d. They were rewarded with everyone liking it and having success. Just because they have success doesn't mean they've sold out. They still don't care what other people think which has been their philosophy from the beging and they've held on strong to it. About all the products, Cinderblock and Warner have mostly everything to do with that. Sure it all runs by the guys, but they aren't gonna care what people think when it goes on the market, they made it for their fans. Not people who claim they've sold out. If you think that's what made them sell out don't buy the products. As for the Adeline clothing line, Billie Joe enjoys designing clothes. It's his hobby, and if you've got a problem with it go talk to him about instead of posting it here. They have "Grown Older" and are there fore wiser. They are more mature than teenagers, and you can't expect someone to act that way their whole life. Their new look has to do with them, and neither me nor you have the right to tell them what they're wearing is wrong. That's it for me.

[jayjaded]

This is last I'm posting here because I'm sick of it. Green Day worked their asses off making American Idiot. They made a strong statement about something that needed to be said. They weren't even sure if people would buy the c.d. They were rewarded with everyone liking it and having success. Just because they have success doesn't mean they've sold out. They still don't care what other people think which has been their philosophy from the beging and they've held on strong to it. About all the products, Cinderblock and Warner have mostly everything to do with that. Sure it all runs by the guys, but they aren't gonna care what people think when it goes on the market, they made it for their fans. Not people who claim they've sold out. If you think that's what made them sell out don't buy the products. As for the Adeline clothing line, Billie Joe enjoys designing clothes. It's his hobby, and if you've got a problem with it go talk to him about instead of posting it here. They have "Grown Older" and are there fore wiser. They are more mature than teenagers, and you can't expect someone to act that way their whole life. Their new look has to do with them, and neither me nor you have the right to tell them what they're wearing is wrong. That's it for me.

Wow...you pulled all that out of your ass...did it hurt? I agree about AI being an excellent and risky album...and the whole sellout issue was covered in 1996...and I defended them...but now I cant help but feel that it was all in vain...they said somethings that lead older fans to believe that they were in fact sincere. Current actions will negate the comments and ideal put forth by the band in the past...as for billie joe designing clothes as a hobby...that is a complete crock of shit...rock steady designs and makes the clothing...so do your research n00b...And I quite frankly have no issues with their new clothing style...but its the rehearsed by the number rock routines and lack of passion at their live shows...I am a critical fan...and I intend to be...and I hope there are more out there to maintain this amazing band's integrity...slap them around and tell them not to get big headed (quoting billie joe from a 1996 tv interview with music plus)

[mclaren]

but they aren't gonna care what people think when it goes on the market

could everyone just stop making this point? billie's "we want to be the biggest band in the world" comments completely condradict it.

[ssnn]

could everyone just stop making this point? billie's "we want to be the biggest band in the world" comments completely condradict it.

I think you can and should attemp a goal like that,by doing it your own way.

If you say,you want to become the best in your profesion can simply mean,that you think you GOT what it takes and not nesseserally that you are willing to go the "WHAT EVER IT TAKES" route.

[mclaren]

I think you can and should attemp a goal like that,by doing it your own way.

If you say,you want to become the best in your profesion can simply mean,that you think you GOT what it takes and not nesseserally that you are willing to go the "WHAT EVER IT TAKES" route.

billie didn't say "best". he said "biggest". biggest would mean that more people like them than any other band. this means that billie's wishes are dependant on what people think of the band, which completely contradicts everyone throwing around this "they don't care what people think" notion.

[DarknessFury]

Wow...you pulled all that out of your ass...did it hurt? I agree about AI being an excellent and risky album...and the whole sellout issue was covered in 1996...and I defended them...but now I cant help but feel that it was all in vain...they said somethings that lead older fans to believe that they were in fact sincere. Current actions will negate the comments and ideal put forth by the band in the past...as for billie joe designing clothes as a hobby...that is a complete crock of shit...rock steady designs and makes the clothing...so do your research n00b...And I quite frankly have no issues with their new clothing style...but its the rehearsed by the number rock routines and lack of passion at their live shows...I am a critical fan...and I intend to be...and I hope there are more out there to maintain this amazing band's integrity...slap them around and tell them not to get big headed (quoting billie joe from a 1996 tv interview with music plus)

Erm, you're halfway drunk...get some sleep and you'll be a brand new person tomorrow.

[enjoiskaterguy]

it's funny that you're all using this "grown up" justification now, after billie joe has said numerous times that there's really no such thing as growing up.

then why are you still posting in this thread?

he said that same thing when at 29 too.

i wouldn't put that much stock in his stage banter.

agreed...I bet he said that to look cool.

Wow...you pulled all that out of your ass...did it hurt? I agree about AI being an excellent and risky album...and the whole sellout issue was covered in 1996...and I defended them...but now I cant help but feel that it was all in vain...they said somethings that lead older fans to believe that they were in fact sincere. Current actions will negate the comments and ideal put forth by the band in the past...as for billie joe designing clothes as a hobby...that is a complete crock of shit...rock steady designs and makes the clothing...so do your research n00b...And I quite frankly have no issues with their new clothing style...but its the rehearsed by the number rock routines and lack of passion at their live shows...I am a critical fan...and I intend to be...and I hope there are more out there to maintain this amazing band's integrity...slap them around and tell them not to get big headed (quoting billie joe from a 1996 tv interview with music plus)

do you have this 1996 video where he's telling his fans that they are sincers and all that stuff about being big headed?

I think you can and should attemp a goal like that,by doing it your own way.

If you say,you want to become the best in your profesion can simply mean,that you think you GOT what it takes and not nesseserally that you are willing to go the "WHAT EVER IT TAKES" route.

whats sad is that they took the "whatever it takes" route to try and bring their stardom back up to the top from the Nimrod era.....at least then they had integrit and passion and fuckin rocked out at concerts....didn't say stupid shit, fake masterbate, and do repitious bullcrap...they once didn't give a shit....and now they do....they care how people percieve them. You know how I know this?...Well, I'll tel you.....just look at how they dress, talk nice, and do there hair. Its like they are trying to prove something to people through their image, and having their music a step behind that.

[enjoiskaterguy]

billie didn't say "best". he said "biggest". biggest would mean that more people like them than any other band. this means that billie's wishes are dependant on what people think of the band, which completely contradicts everyone throwing around this "they don't care what people think" notion.

yes...agreed...like I said, they are in contradicting themselves...like those statements. That is a perfect example...Being the biggest band in the world and not giving a shit about what people thought of you just doesn't work.....and them calling themselves a punk rock band still....its just sad how this "punk rock" genre has been so diluted. There is no new commercial, mainstream artist, or band that would ever be categorized or said to be a punk band...and the fact that people believe all these new bands are punk bands like Sum 41, Simple Plan, Taking Back Sunday, and shit like Good Charlette are sooo mistaken. The music they play and their misplaced category that they fall under by societies standards is what is happening with these bands....Its like if they mention their influences to be any punk band, the media grips on to statements like these and the next day you will see in a magizine cover saying some bull crap like..."HERE COMES THE NEW BAND GOOD CHARLETTE....a punk band that love the sex pistols". Im sick of all these misinformed teenagers who are brainwashed and have a twisted perception of the work "punk" and have added a new age tone, and meaning to it altogether.

[ssnn]

billie didn't say "best". he said "biggest". biggest would mean that more people like them than any other band. this means that billie's wishes are dependant on what people think of the band, which completely contradicts everyone throwing around this "they don't care what people think" notion.

Well,they didn´t care what there old fans might think,if they could do the same step and they couldn´t know,if they would find any new ones.BJ said,that he knew AI would be either real big or tank - there is no mittle ground with this album.It was a gamble.

For me,they didn´t go to the side where the people were - they got the people to come to there side.

Go back to the time BJ started to write the record.At that time,if he really had cared to only make it big,he would have written some patriotic dreck and played the conservative punk part,that´s an old one.

Now that time and opiniom has changed (and they played there part) it looks like they went for the masses - while the truth is,there weren´t any masses on that side when,they started to go in that direction.

For the way they dress on stage - after they played Live8 in Berlin,a German newspaper worte,that they were dressed like the anarchits in Germany in the 1920´s -30´s and the reporter from "Rolling Stone" called there show pure"brechtarien" (Berthold Brecht) - that´s not trendy,that´s history.

And for the suit they wear at award shows - they would like morons in anything else.

And FUCK is still the word of choice,not much nice talk - mabe a sense of where you are at a certain moment.

[Holly]

This is last I'm posting here because I'm sick of it. Green Day worked their asses off making American Idiot. They made a strong statement about something that needed to be said. They weren't even sure if people would buy the c.d. They were rewarded with everyone liking it and having success. Just because they have success doesn't mean they've sold out. They still don't care what other people think which has been their philosophy from the beging and they've held on strong to it. About all the products, Cinderblock and Warner have mostly everything to do with that. Sure it all runs by the guys, but they aren't gonna care what people think when it goes on the market, they made it for their fans. Not people who claim they've sold out. If you think that's what made them sell out don't buy the products. As for the Adeline clothing line, Billie Joe enjoys designing clothes. It's his hobby, and if you've got a problem with it go talk to him about instead of posting it here. They have "Grown Older" and are there fore wiser. They are more mature than teenagers, and you can't expect someone to act that way their whole life. Their new look has to do with them, and neither me nor you have the right to tell them what they're wearing is wrong. That's it for me.

I'm to lazy to type out all my views. so yeh. What she said.

[vessy]

why does it even matter what they wear or what they say ? its about the music and the performance and they are great in it ! if u don't like anything else u don't have to look or listen to it.

[Linnea]

Bollocks. They produce great music. Always have. More mainstream now and some people just say oh well they're sellouts. You people need to get a life.

I read a quote regarding Jonny Rotten. So you want Bj,Mike and Tre to act like him? That is selling out. Being someone else.

All this constant wineing people do using the word sell outs pisses me off. Why do you care who likes them? I love them. To me taht is all that is important but this constant need to slag off success is pathetic. You are the ones with the problem. So get real

Well said :wink:

[catpacket]

As for the Adeline clothing line, Billie Joe enjoys designing clothes. It's his hobby, and if you've got a problem with it go talk to him about instead of posting it here.

umm... did he tell you that???

[Guest worryrock91]

hello.

[catpacket]

HI

[**nobodylikesyou**]

umm... did he tell you that???

FYI - I did hear that from Billie's mouth. I just can not remember where, because I am GD obsessed and watch way to many things with him on it and read everything I can. SO I will try to find it and post back here.