Petition To Release Cigarettes and Valentines

[Insomniac186]

Hi everyone,

 

I have started a petition to get Green Day to officially release Cigarettes and Valentines. Petitions CAN lead to change. Many of us held out hope that we'd get the remaining unreleased C&V material on the AI 20th anniversary release, but it's not happening. IMO it was a major missed opportunity.

 

If you want it to be released, if you are good either way, if you could care less, even if you don't think it will make a difference or doubt the material actually exists, just please just do me a favor and read it and sign it. We have to start somewhere. Why not right here, right now?

 

https://www.change.org/p/green-day-officially-release-cigarettes-and-valentines

 

Thank you!

[Insomniac1984]

I agree, this IS the time that fans do something to make C&V be released!!

[Insomniac186]

Wow people, only 14 signatures? We can do better. If we had as many signatures as this thread has views, we would really be making some progress. Don't be apathetic. 20 years is long enough! Let's go!

[Jon Benjamin]

I made one of those petitions to split Ohio into Ohio and South Ohio. No one signed it. 

[Insomniac186]

5 hours ago, Jon Benjamin said:

I made one of those petitions to split Ohio into Ohio and South Ohio. No one signed it. 

But did you sign this one?

[J-Rem]

All I want is a studio version or demo version of the title track at the very least

[Jon Benjamin]

8 minutes ago, Insomniac186 said:

But did you sign this one?

Hell yeah I did. I wanna hear Vapes & DM Slides. 

[Insomniac186]

12 minutes ago, J-Rem said:

All I want is a studio version or demo version of the title track at the very least

Same! If they decide to give us anything, it should be that at the very least.

 

I also realized that Weezer, also a Crush management band, also has a "lost album" steeped in lore, but most of it has now surfaced. I just thought that was an interesting coincidence.

[That Dude]

I want all lost albums to get in my ear.   Bring all lost albums to justice.  

Farewell, see you in hell I hope you rest in pieces.......

oh.   oh.   oh.   oh.  

 

[Nezirath270]

Petition all you want. It's still up for the band or record label to release when they want to

[Insomniac186]

And petition I will because it's better than nothing. If you that doubt there petitions to get bands/labels to respond to this sort of thing, they do. I'm also a big fan of Cheap Trick (hence my picture) and fans have lobbied  for many special releases and were successful. In the 2010s we got their albums recorded from 1981 through 1986 reissued in physical form (both individually and in a box set) and then in recent years with the Epic Archives series which were full for rare, out of print, and unreleased material. It can and does happen.

[Fuzz]

If they wanted to release it they would. There's a reason they haven't. 

[Undómiel]

We've probably ended up having lots of it anyway in one way or another. Scraps of other songs, chord progressions that have become something else. 

Other than the title track, we don't specifically know what morphed into what. Something on C&V could've ended up becoming Peacemaker for example. Unless they tell is, we don't know. 

[Insomniac186]

2 hours ago, Fuzz said:

If they wanted to release it they would. There's a reason they haven't. 

If you read my petition, I asked that if they will not release it that they should release a statement saying why. That way we have some sort of closure.

[WhiteTim]

27 minutes ago, Insomniac186 said:

If you read my petition, I asked that if they will not release it that they should release a statement saying why. That way we have some sort of closure.

They have said why they won’t when they say it wasn’t maximum Green Day that’s their way of saying it’s not good to them and that’s why they aren’t releasing it 

[Insomniac186]

44 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

They have said why they won’t when they say it wasn’t maximum Green Day that’s their way of saying it’s not good to them and that’s why they aren’t releasing it 

They said that was the reason they decided to start over. They never said they wouldn't release it. And then why were the songs mastered for release as B-Sides as seen on the John Roecker disc?

[Lenny]

6 hours ago, Undómiel said:

We've probably ended up having lots of it anyway in one way or another. Scraps of other songs, chord progressions that have become something else. 

Other than the title track, we don't specifically know what morphed into what. Something on C&V could've ended up becoming Peacemaker for example. Unless they tell is, we don't know. 

I think this could be accurate. I bet in some way shape or form we have heard everything from C&V by now whether it was AI - Tre, The Network or Foxboro Hot Tubs etc. 

Obviously in reworked lyrics, progressions and bits and pieces etc. 

Would be great to eventually get to hear what was slotted for Feb 2003 just for the sake of the band’s history and progression into AI but they have to choose when.

We never expected a tour with both Dookie and AI played in full but we got it. They may have this planned for some other milestone. Or it may just never happen. 

6 hours ago, Fuzz said:

If they wanted to release it they would. There's a reason they haven't. 

They have released specific songs from it though. They also have spoken about the vault and potentially releasing stuff from it. 
 

They could release it one day or never at all. If I ever meet them I’ll ask and will report back here lmao

 

 

[Insomniac186]

23 minutes ago, Lenny said:

I think this could be accurate. I bet in some way shape or form we have heard everything from C&V by now whether it was AI - Tre, The Network or Foxboro Hot Tubs etc. 

Obviously in reworked lyrics, progressions and bits and pieces etc. 

Would be great to eventually get to hear what was slotted for Feb 2003 just for the sake of the band’s history and progression into AI but they have to choose when.

We never expected a tour with both Dookie and AI played in full but we got it. They may have this planned for some other milestone. Or it may just never happen. 

They have released specific songs from it though. They also have spoken about the vault and potentially releasing stuff from it. 
 

They could release it one day or never at all. If I ever meet them I’ll ask and will report back here lmao

 

 

I actually have met all of the band members in person and believe me, I was dying to ask about C&V. However, I only had a short time to chat with them and didn't want to pester them about it. Tre was kind enough to talk shop with me as one drummer to another, which is an experience I will cherish the rest of my life so I'm kinda glad I didn't in that case.

[WhiteTim]

9 hours ago, Insomniac186 said:

They said that was the reason they decided to start over. They never said they wouldn't release it. And then why were the songs mastered for release as B-Sides as seen on the John Roecker disc?

Reference discs aren’t for release you’re using the wrong terminology there we don’t even know if they are mastered Sterling Sound will make reference cds for labels using just a bounce track before mastering for labels (or the artists) upon request we have no idea what that disc is for other than the picture 

reference discs are made for executives to know what the artists have or be reviewed for potential use for album placement or b side placement or soundtrack placement etc but doesn’t mean they’ll actually be used for anything they’re just made for the label to know what they have available to use in case 

that disc Roecker posted had a song that was recorded for Nimrod so that disc isn’t exactly just C&V only songs as 19th nervous breakdown cover was recorded during the Nimrod sessions 

if you ask about releasing they will give the same answer as why they abandoned it they obviously feel like it’s not worthy to be released otherwise they wouldn’t have made up a lie about it being stolen and they wouldn’t have dropped it and started over (obviously going by the C&V song I don’t agree with their assumption that it wasn’t maximum GD but hey it’s their music so they’re entitled to do whatever they want with it)

[Lenny]

40 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

Reference discs aren’t for release you’re using the wrong terminology there we don’t even know if they are mastered Sterling Sound will make reference cds for labels using just a bounce track before mastering for labels (or the artists) upon request we have no idea what that disc is for other than the picture 

reference discs are made for executives to know what the artists have or be reviewed for potential use for album placement or b side placement or soundtrack placement etc but doesn’t mean they’ll actually be used for anything they’re just made for the label to know what they have available to use in case 

that disc Roecker posted had a song that was recorded for Nimrod so that disc isn’t exactly just C&V only songs as 19th nervous breakdown cover was recorded during the Nimrod sessions 

if you ask about releasing they will give the same answer as why they abandoned it they obviously feel like it’s not worthy to be released otherwise they wouldn’t have made up a lie about it being stolen and they wouldn’t have dropped it and started over (obviously going by the C&V song I don’t agree with their assumption that it wasn’t maximum GD but hey it’s their music so they’re entitled to do whatever they want with it)

I think there’s a lot more to it than we can ever really speculate on. It wasn’t “max Green Day” but yet some of the songs saw the light of day. The fans also enjoyed the songs in many cases.

One can only speculate but I think it was as simple as they wrote the first few AI songs and wanted to chase that down or go into that direction. The only other thing I can think of is that C&V as a collection of songs may have just not worked as a cohesive sequence. That would explain why the songs that did see the light of day did so on other albums/projects.

6 hours ago, Insomniac186 said:

I actually have met all of the band members in person and believe me, I was dying to ask about C&V. However, I only had a short time to chat with them and didn't want to pester them about it. Tre was kind enough to talk shop with me as one drummer to another, which is an experience I will cherish the rest of my life so I'm kinda glad I didn't in that case.

Yeah those things go by fast. When I met Rush it was a quick thing. Not much time to talk outside of exchanging pleasantries. 

[WhiteTim]

1 hour ago, Lenny said:

I think there’s a lot more to it than we can ever really speculate on. It wasn’t “max Green Day” but yet some of the songs saw the light of day. The fans also enjoyed the songs in many cases.

One can only speculate but I think it was as simple as they wrote the first few AI songs and wanted to chase that down or go into that direction. The only other thing I can think of is that C&V as a collection of songs may have just not worked as a cohesive sequence. That would explain why the songs that did see the light of day did so on other albums/projects.

Yeah those things go by fast. When I met Rush it was a quick thing. Not much time to talk outside of exchanging pleasantries. 

But how much did the songs change between 2002-2003 and whenever they released the songs in question is also a big question just because some songs originated from C&V doesn’t mean that they didn’t change any of the lyrics or the music arrangements maybe the 2002/2003 studio of C&V (the song) is different than the version they performed live almost 10 years later of course we would need the songs to be released in order to know for sure only ones who can tell us are GD and Rob or whoever was producing and whoever was engineering 

now moving back to the petition part 

clearly GD doesn’t want to release C&V as an album and this whole “they need to tell us why” business is entitlement and just fucking gross fans aren’t entitled to know why bands don’t want to release something sure it would be nice to know but if they don’t want to go into further detail then folks need to accept that and move on starting petition and saying “release it or tell us why not” is something we fans aren’t entitled to (imo) 

[Insomniac186]

1 hour ago, WhiteTim said:

But how much did the songs change between 2002-2003 and whenever they released the songs in question is also a big question just because some songs originated from C&V doesn’t mean that they didn’t change any of the lyrics or the music arrangements maybe the 2002/2003 studio of C&V (the song) is different than the version they performed live almost 10 years later of course we would need the songs to be released in order to know for sure only ones who can tell us are GD and Rob or whoever was producing and whoever was engineering 

now moving back to the petition part 

clearly GD doesn’t want to release C&V as an album and this whole “they need to tell us why” business is entitlement and just fucking gross fans aren’t entitled to know why bands don’t want to release something sure it would be nice to know but if they don’t want to go into further detail then folks need to accept that and move on starting petition and saying “release it or tell us why not” is something we fans aren’t entitled to (imo) 

You are entitled to your opinion but you are taking things out of context here. Nowhere does it state that I am demanding its release or that anyone is entitled to it. It simply states that a number fans have been waiting 20 years and were disappointed it won't be included in the AI 20th Anniversary Edition and that it was a missed opportunity and that now is the perfect time to release it. At the end the petition makes a "respectful request" for one of three options, none of them are "demanding" that we need to know why. A request is not a demand. Even if the band doesn't plan on releasing it, as you said, it would be nice to know. That is really all that the petition is all about.

 

 

[WhiteTim]

12 minutes ago, Insomniac186 said:

You are entitled to your opinion but you are taking things out of context here. Nowhere does it state that I am demanding its release or that anyone is entitled to it. It simply states that a number fans have been waiting 20 years and were disappointed it won't be included in the AI 20th Anniversary Edition and that it was a missed opportunity and that now is the perfect time to release it. At the end the petition makes a "respectful request" for one of three options, none of them are "demanding" that we need to know why. A request is not a demand. Even if the band doesn't plan on releasing it, as you said, it would be nice to know. That is really all that the petition is all about.

 

 

Didn’t you say “if they don’t release they should release a statement on why”? I’m not saying that you are sayin they’re entitled it’s just what it feels like to me that’s all just different perspective I understand where you’re coming from 

[Insomniac186]

9 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

Didn’t you say “if they don’t release they should release a statement on why”? I’m not saying that you are sayin they’re entitled it’s just what it feels like to me that’s all just different perspective I understand where you’re coming from 

I get it your perspective and you are probably speaking for the majority here given the amount of views this thread has compared to the amount of signatures. However, the purpose of requesting a statement from the band is just for the sake of getting some sort of answer. Heck, I'd take the band telling me to F-off as an answer. Any sort of answer would be great so that we can either anticipate a release in the future or have some form of closure if it's not ever coming out. Again, we are not entitled to it but it would be great to know.

[Saviour]

OP obviously missed the part about the master tapes being stolen. That definitely happened, no doubt about it. 

But yeah, a petition ain't gonna cut it, sorry. 

Besides, apart from the title track which we've already heard - and is fiiiiiiinnnne, I suppose - the rest of the album has probably found its way into subsequent works anyways in some guise or another. They love recycling old ideas, as we know. 

If the band deemed the album trash, it's probably trash.