American Idiot 20th Anniversary Announcement + Holiday/BoBD Demo out Friday!

[Undómiel]

Watching Heart Like A hand Grenade for the first time... its interesting 😅 John Roecker certainly made some directorial *choices* 

[nopride84]

7 hours ago, Saviour said:

The pre-chorus of Lowlife has been bothering me because of its familiarity, and it's just occured to me why... Sounds very similar to the bridge from that song BJA did with with Penelope Houston - The Angel and the Jerk. 

0:42 here for the uninitiated (of course you are) 

 

I mentioned this days ago lol it also has similarities to the unforgiven he did with the go gos. also I don't think anyone has mentioned that one of Mike's parts in homecoming sounds like his part in american eulogy

[Mega Man]

On 10/30/2024 at 12:04 AM, Nezirath270 said:

Additional $40 if they put another live show there.

I don't know if how much it's been mentioned, but the Blu-ray is likely a large part of the cost, and probably why they opted not to include another disc of music. A standalone 2x Blu-ray release like that would probably retail around $30. Minus that, it comes out to about the cost of the previous boxsets per disc.

[Alba88geo]

It's been a week and Lowlife lives rent free in my head!

[Mega Man]

I was looking over the restored videos to see if there was any weirdness to them. The animated intro to Holiday stuck out to me:

The presence of frame blending made me wonder if it was a botched side effect of the restoration, but rest assured, it was indeed always like this.

A pattern with these videos is that you may notice certain flaws that weren't present before. I'm glad they didn't try to fix it or anything, just keep it as is. If I had to guess, I'd say the frame blending is from the frame rate of the animation being different from the rest of the video.

[billy1986]

I’d love lowlife and blackeyliner to be singles with videos… I know they became other songs but those to demos just stand out so much 

[green day is]

15 hours ago, Insomniac186 said:

I was shocked when I read this in the credits area of the booklet. In the past, Favorite Son was (incorrectly) credited to Rob Cavallo. It makes sense now though, because production-wise, it sounds similar to the rest of the B-Sides that have the same credits. The only outlier now is Governator. I'd be willing to bet that Lights Out and Hearts Collide have the same credits as the majority of the others, but on the physical singles for KYE it only credits Chris Dugan for engineering those two and no other credits are listed.

 

As for Governator, I'd be willing to bet it's from the Money Money 2020 sessions, the evidence being the credits and the fact that Mike is on vocals and Billie's guitar playing is similar to most of the guitar work on Money Money 2020.

Arnold Schwarzenegger announced he was running for governor Aug 6, 2003. MM2020 was already listed on adelaide's website on Aug 1, though not available to buy until Sep 30. MM2020 was certainly already being mixed and mastered if not fully completed. It probably sounds like The Network because the same people wrote it at around the same time.

[nowshesgone]

10 minutes ago, green day is said:

Arnold Schwarzenegger announced he was running for governor Aug 6, 2003. MM2020 was already listed on adelaide's website on Aug 1, though not available to buy until Sep 30. MM2020 was certainly already being mixed and mastered if not fully completed. It probably sounds like The Network because the same people wrote it at around the same time.

oooor it could have been recorded in the same session as Hammer Of The Gods and Teenagers from Mars, but we may never know...

 

 

side note: isn't it strange how people think Shoplifter is tied into AI's story despite the fact that "Jimmy caught stealing" makes no sense grammatically? I mean there is also the fact that the producer credits (which have been helpful in the past, such as confirming Rotting as an insomniac holdover, and Lights Out+ possibly Hearts Collide being recorded around C&V/AI times) for Shoplifter lining up with TMTS 

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[green day is]

1 hour ago, nowshesgone said:

oooor it could have been recorded in the same session as Hammer Of The Gods and Teenagers from Mars, but we may never know...

 

 

side note: isn't it strange how people think Shoplifter is tied into AI's story despite the fact that "Jimmy caught stealing" makes no sense grammatically? I mean there is also the fact that the producer credits (which have been helpful in the past, such as confirming Rotting as an insomniac holdover, and Lights Out+ possibly Hearts Collide being recorded around C&V/AI times) for Shoplifter lining up with TMTS 

Those tracks have the same credits as the rest of the album. I don't see any reason to think they came from their own session, other than to make Governator fit the timeline. Obviously Mike could come out and say "I intended Governator for The Network" but at this point speculation is baseless, since it wasn't recorded for the main album and we have to invent a hypothetical second session to make it work.

[alienlifeform]

7 hours ago, nowshesgone said:

side note: isn't it strange how people think Shoplifter is tied into AI's story despite the fact that "Jimmy caught stealing"

Yeah, but the lyrics are actually 'but you'll be caught stealing"

[Dysfunco]

4 minutes ago, alienlifeform said:

Yeah, but the lyrics are actually 'but you'll be caught stealing"

Yeah, and apart from that the lyrics doesn't make sense (which lots of people somehow seem to have missed) also Billie have adressed his on TV, when asked about songs originally written with the story in mind that didn't make it unto the album: 

 

[nowshesgone]

1 hour ago, alienlifeform said:

Yeah, but the lyrics are actually 'but you'll be caught stealing"

exactly
if they wanted to tie it into the story they would have said "But Jimmy was caught stealling"
(oh and it would probably be in the musical)

[Gonzalo17]

10 hours ago, nowshesgone said:

oooor it could have been recorded in the same session as Hammer Of The Gods and Teenagers from Mars, but we may never know...

 

 

side note: isn't it strange how people think Shoplifter is tied into AI's story despite the fact that "Jimmy caught stealing" makes no sense grammatically? I mean there is also the fact that the producer credits (which have been helpful in the past, such as confirming Rotting as an insomniac holdover, and Lights Out+ possibly Hearts Collide being recorded around C&V/AI times) for Shoplifter lining up with TMTS 

Butch Vig IS listed as producer in lights out (at least in my Japanese 21stCB bonus track album), but not in heart collide

[Insomniac186]

7 hours ago, green day is said:

Those tracks have the same credits as the rest of the album. I don't see any reason to think they came from their own session, other than to make Governator fit the timeline. Obviously Mike could come out and say "I intended Governator for The Network" but at this point speculation is baseless, since it wasn't recorded for the main album and we have to invent a hypothetical second session to make it work.

I'm an idiot, I completely forgot about when Arnold actually announced his candidacy and when he became governor despite the fact that Iived through it and was a California resident.

 

However.... Governator does have the exact same credits as the AI demos. I think we've found where it fits in with the timeline and I think it would make sense for it to be recorded among that batch of songs.

18 minutes ago, Gonzalo17 said:

Butch Vig IS listed as producer in lights out (at least in my Japanese 21stCB bonus track album), but not in heart collide

The Know Your Enemy physical singles all say "Produced by Green Day, Engineered by Chris Dugan" for Lights Out. Same for Hearts Collide. I do have a Japanese edition of 21CBD, I'll see what my copy says.

[Gonzalo17]

46 minutes ago, Insomniac186 said:

I'm an idiot, I completely forgot about when Arnold actually announced his candidacy and when he became governor despite the fact that Iived through it and was a California resident.

 

However.... Governator does have the exact same credits as the AI demos. I think we've found where it fits in with the timeline and I think it would make sense for it to be recorded among that batch of songs.

Retro Peter IS credited as engineer on governator and MM2020.

Maybe Arnold S candidacy was anounced officialy on that date, but the possibility was know time before.

[nowshesgone]

3 hours ago, Gonzalo17 said:

Butch Vig IS listed as producer in lights out (at least in my Japanese 21stCB bonus track album), but not in heart collide

i think Butch being listed as a producer is a mistake cuz
A. Lights Out does not match the style of any of the other songs on 21stCB (such as Murder City, Christian's Inferno, Restless Heart Syndrome, Before the Lobotomy, etc etc)
B. its on that one b-sides disk that John Ro posted a while back

[PleasedToMeetMe]

I still think both Lights Out and Too Much, Too Soon are straight up taken right from Cigarettes & Valentines. Same sessions at the very least as the production sounds the same and Billie’s voice sounds the same. 

[nowshesgone]

3 minutes ago, PleasedToMeetMe said:

I still think both Lights Out and Too Much, Too Soon are straight up taken right from Cigarettes & Valentines. Same sessions at the very least as the production sounds the same and Billie’s voice sounds the same. 

thats my guess as well, I just consider Lights Out, TMTS and obviously title track to be a "mini" album in between Warning/Shenanigans and American Idiot
hopefully crush realizes that the warning boxset needs a boost to sell well (especially since they kinda squandered Blue 30th a little bit, but thats a different band) and end up putting it in somehow

[Gonzalo17]

6 hours ago, nowshesgone said:

i think Butch being listed as a producer is a mistake cuz
A. Lights Out does not match the style of any of the other songs on 21stCB (such as Murder City, Christian's Inferno, Restless Heart Syndrome, Before the Lobotomy, etc etc)
B. its on that one b-sides disk that John Ro posted a while back

Maybe It was re-recorded with butch Vig... Imposible to be sure. Since i saw j.a.r. as a dookie outtake after 29 years thinking It was an insomniac one because It credits, i'm not sure of nothing

[JReevz]

Not sure if this was already mentioned (jumping back into the thread after a few weeks away) but was the intro to heart like a hand grenade redone? 
 

I don’t remember the bit where Mike talks about the old songs that pre-dated American idiot

[Nezirath270]

2 hours ago, Gonzalo17 said:

Maybe It was re-recorded with butch Vig... Imposible to be sure. Since i saw j.a.r. as a dookie outtake after 29 years thinking It was an insomniac one because It credits, i'm not sure of nothing

And yet both j.a.r. from dookie outtakes and the international superhits sounded the same 

2 hours ago, JReevz said:

Not sure if this was already mentioned (jumping back into the thread after a few weeks away) but was the intro to heart like a hand grenade redone? 
 

I don’t remember the bit where Mike talks about the old songs that pre-dated American idiot

Here's what i remembered from heart like a hand grenade 2014 release. 

Intro was the intro for letterbomb, billie joe phone call, the studio caught on fire (lols)

[jengd]

8 hours ago, JReevz said:

Not sure if this was already mentioned (jumping back into the thread after a few weeks away) but was the intro to heart like a hand grenade redone? 
 

I don’t remember the bit where Mike talks about the old songs that pre-dated American idiot

Not watched the AI20 version, assumed it exactly the same.

[Robbie1039]

I’ll have to watch the documentary again, but I believe I can hear hints of pitch correction on Billie’s vocals during the Warfield show.  Don’t get me wrong, that footage is amazing and I’m psyched they put out footage from that awesome show, but why do they feel the need to slap pitch correction on so many live shows they put out.  I get using it in the studio, but live shows are different.  I appreciate imperfections because it’s real.  I wonder if this is the band’s choice or the label’s choice.  I’d imagine it’s the band’s.  

[fatherotti]

The chorus to the Pedestrian now sounds more and more like it was originally part of Everybody’s Breaking Down. Like how Black Eyeliner was cut up and divided into two new songs. I’m guessing Pedestrian was originally also two different songs lol. Maybe. 

[PleasedToMeetMe]

6 hours ago, fatherotti said:

The chorus to the Pedestrian now sounds more and more like it was originally part of Everybody’s Breaking Down. Like how Black Eyeliner was cut up and divided into two new songs. I’m guessing Pedestrian was originally also two different songs lol. Maybe. 

You can definitely tell they were both written during the same time period