Saviors - Album Discussion

[Reverend Strychnine Twitch]

1 hour ago, billy1986 said:

I hope promotion picks up again…long time until now and the tour 

I expect at least 2 more singles with music videos to be released until the tour. Hopefully those two music videos will be for Suzie Chapstick and especially Father to a Son as they are accessible and catchy for a mainstream music listener too.

Then a few Late Night TV show performances for them would really keep the streams/sales high until the tour. I hope they are considering this.

Apart from the Fallon appearance at the metro station, they haven't appeared at any other Late Night show yet right?

[Flynn]

the 1981 snippet that was released before the album makes for a good ringtone

[The 99th revolution]

10 hours ago, Warszawa said:

it has nothing to do with looney tunes. Loony bin is just another word for asylum

I know, I just decided to put the looney tunes reference as a joke.

8 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

Best way to win a day is to go in the Fangirls thread and post a picture of Billie Joe almost naked

86% of GDC can relate

8 hours ago, Lenny said:

A good friend texted me today to tell me he finally listened to this album in full. He gave it a good review and said it’s reminiscent of the AI and 21cb days. He hasn’t been a fan of their work since 21cb.

This is honestly a true return to form for the band. It’s really delivered for the fans. I think critics even scored it slightly lower than what it actually is. 

I'm glad Saviors is doing well, new and old fans alike!

[jengd]

2 hours ago, Flynn said:

the 1981 snippet that was released before the album makes for a good ringtone

May need to revisit my ringtone with this album, had AI for a very long time.  😂😂

[The 99th revolution]

Platypus as a ringtone would be priceless

[Lauren]

Speaking of promotion, I wonder how much of that affects people’s views of the album. 
 

Obviously, the Saviors songs speak for themselves. But I remember the trilogy starting to get promotion the 1-2 weeks leading up to the Uno release, but then Billie had his one minute freak out and went to rehab, many shows were cancelled and the others postponed. I wonder if that kind of left a bad memory in people’s heads and they don’t like the record as much as they could have. 
 

I’m trying to remember RevRad promo … I remember one or two singles being dropped, and the club tour was certainly fun, but the promo didn’t seem as large scale maybe? And for whatever reason, I didn’t listen to that album until six months after it came out (literally while I was on a flight to see one of their shows). Semi-the same with the trilogy, I listened to Uno right away, but after the rehab thing I think it took me 3-4 months after Dos and Tre to listen to them. 
 

I barely remember Father of All promo. There were “leaks” that were hype… but then they ended up being a fake band that made a better album. 😂 I remember the title track being a single and thinking it was … not good … and I remember having to preorder the album months in advanced and buy the most expensive tickets I ever bought a year in advanced (ended up being two years since the show got postponed). I think the fact that Green Day tickets went from under $100 to $250 really left a sour taste in my mouth. I did listen to the record when it arrived, but I didn’t like it; and then Covid happened so just bad memories all around. I gave the record a second chance a year later and disliked it even more. I barely looked forward to going to the show, but I ended up having a great time and they played no FOAM songs lol. I think a lot of fans would still think it was their worst album regardless, but I wonder if the events surrounding the release made the memory even worse. 
 

and then there’s Saviors. We all were trying to hold onto hope after Covid, the world really sucks right now and we could really use a great record from our favorite band. The 1972 hype was real. The “is Green Day awake” site was fun. Then the Vegas show with the tour announcement and single release. I’ll admit I wasn’t TOO excited at this point — hearing a band now charging $300 for concert tickets sing “the American dream is killing me” felt really hypocritical. But I tried to remember that Green Day tends to pick the worst songs on the album as singles for some reason. Look Ma came out and it was a little better… and then when Dilemma dropped, I was HYPED. The OEB release I think was a bad choice; that made me slightly worry again. The listening party thing I think was a great idea. I’ll admit I only went to see if they were giving away tickets to the exclusive Irving Plaza show, not because I cared about hearing the album a week early. But as soon as I heard Bobby Sox, I knew this album was gonna be GOOD. and it was. Almost every song was perfection. And then after that we had promo week in NYC, so living here, that was super exciting. I got to see them play in the subway station and managed to get let into the Irving Plaza show. 
 

so yeah, I’m not saying I wouldn’t think Saviors was good if it weren’t for the promo, but I’m wondering if the promo is what’s making me feel PUMPED in capital letters about Green Day for the first time in 15 years. I think they’re just really doing great this time around. But I am kinda worried about it losing momentum with the tour being so far away! 21st CB having an early May drop with a summer tour was better timing IMO. 
 

edit: I’ll also add that I’ve seen people on my Facebook feed who haven’t really cared about Green Day since AI listening to Saviors and enjoying it. The fact that they’re bringing casual fans back I think speaks volumes. Not sure how much is promo and how much is just word of mouth of hardcore fans saying how much they love it, but I’m happy to see people listening to them again. 

[That Dude]

I can't think of too many bands that I love and are from the same era that have 14 albums......weezer have a ton, Foo Fighters and RHCP are getting close....

Name a 14th record as good as Saviors!

[That Dude]

I am looking at someone who looks just like the guy on the cover....he's 20ish.  Whoa.  If i had a copy with me, I'd ask him to sign it.   Oh and we all gotta watch the return of the blob.   Fans!

[Lenny]

4 hours ago, Lauren said:

Speaking of promotion, I wonder how much of that affects people’s views of the album. 
 

Obviously, the Saviors songs speak for themselves. But I remember the trilogy starting to get promotion the 1-2 weeks leading up to the Uno release, but then Billie had his one minute freak out and went to rehab, many shows were cancelled and the others postponed. I wonder if that kind of left a bad memory in people’s heads and they don’t like the record as much as they could have. 
 

I’m trying to remember RevRad promo … I remember one or two singles being dropped, and the club tour was certainly fun, but the promo didn’t seem as large scale maybe? And for whatever reason, I didn’t listen to that album until six months after it came out (literally while I was on a flight to see one of their shows). Semi-the same with the trilogy, I listened to Uno right away, but after the rehab thing I think it took me 3-4 months after Dos and Tre to listen to them. 
 

I barely remember Father of All promo. There were “leaks” that were hype… but then they ended up being a fake band that made a better album. 😂 I remember the title track being a single and thinking it was … not good … and I remember having to preorder the album months in advanced and buy the most expensive tickets I ever bought a year in advanced (ended up being two years since the show got postponed). I think the fact that Green Day tickets went from under $100 to $250 really left a sour taste in my mouth. I did listen to the record when it arrived, but I didn’t like it; and then Covid happened so just bad memories all around. I gave the record a second chance a year later and disliked it even more. I barely looked forward to going to the show, but I ended up having a great time and they played no FOAM songs lol. I think a lot of fans would still think it was their worst album regardless, but I wonder if the events surrounding the release made the memory even worse. 
 

and then there’s Saviors. We all were trying to hold onto hope after Covid, the world really sucks right now and we could really use a great record from our favorite band. The 1972 hype was real. The “is Green Day awake” site was fun. Then the Vegas show with the tour announcement and single release. I’ll admit I wasn’t TOO excited at this point — hearing a band now charging $300 for concert tickets sing “the American dream is killing me” felt really hypocritical. But I tried to remember that Green Day tends to pick the worst songs on the album as singles for some reason. Look Ma came out and it was a little better… and then when Dilemma dropped, I was HYPED. The OEB release I think was a bad choice; that made me slightly worry again. The listening party thing I think was a great idea. I’ll admit I only went to see if they were giving away tickets to the exclusive Irving Plaza show, not because I cared about hearing the album a week early. But as soon as I heard Bobby Sox, I knew this album was gonna be GOOD. and it was. Almost every song was perfection. And then after that we had promo week in NYC, so living here, that was super exciting. I got to see them play in the subway station and managed to get let into the Irving Plaza show. 
 

so yeah, I’m not saying I wouldn’t think Saviors was good if it weren’t for the promo, but I’m wondering if the promo is what’s making me feel PUMPED in capital letters about Green Day for the first time in 15 years. I think they’re just really doing great this time around. But I am kinda worried about it losing momentum with the tour being so far away! 21st CB having an early May drop with a summer tour was better timing IMO. 
 

edit: I’ll also add that I’ve seen people on my Facebook feed who haven’t really cared about Green Day since AI listening to Saviors and enjoying it. The fact that they’re bringing casual fans back I think speaks volumes. Not sure how much is promo and how much is just word of mouth of hardcore fans saying how much they love it, but I’m happy to see people listening to them again. 

The IHeart thing became international news overnight and is probably the biggest trending video on Green Day for a long time. 
 

The issue is that it happened in 2012, society was soft as fuck and will blame anything like that on a rockstar being entitled or too rich etc if it happened in the 1990s it would have just been another Friday night in all honesty. 
 

IHeart also blew it up way beyond what it needed to be and quietly put sanctions against Green Day. Not the first time they have. They did prior to AI as well when their music was considered anti-american when the US was in fear of terrorism.

I feel like that moment was a dark mark on the brand and essentially changed the perspective on Green Day. They’ve never fully recovered from that. I think a decline was evident at that point but this added insult to injury. 
 

I also remember the trilogy being written off by some at the time of announcement as an excuse to sell 3 records and make more money. 
 

in retrospect they should have taken a break after 21cb. They rushed into the trilogy and it might be due to the fan reception of the songs played on 21cb tour and in the soundchecks. 

[pacejunkie punk]

I think it was the Broadway musical that caused them to rush into the trilogy. Billie was creatively charged in 2010-2011 like never before he’d come home from playing St Jimmy and write songs every night. They went right into the next project because he had like 60-70 songs 

[stories and songs]

1 hour ago, Lenny said:

I feel like that moment was a dark mark on the brand and essentially changed the perspective on Green Day. They’ve never fully recovered from that. I think a decline was evident at that point but this added insult to injury. 
 

I’m not sure I agree with this. I’m consistently pleasantly surprised by how Green Day is talked about in general spaces — random subreddits, social media comment sections. Green Day has a ton of goodwill (from everyone other than conservatives who hate their politics, obviously). Their old music makes people nostalgic, and now even American Idiot is 20 years old and there’s a new wave of nostalgia for that “newer” music, too. I see comments regularly about how they seem like good dudes, people think it’s cool they still call out politics, how great they are as live performers, etc. I haven’t seen iHeart mentioned outside of a Green Day space in years. I’m not under the impression they have a bad reputation with general listeners at all.

Now 12 years on, I think the iHeart incident is probably similar to how people will look at Will Smith’s Oscar outburst — a strange and inappropriate moment, but one people recognize as being out of character for that person/more complicated than someone just being bratty, and not representative of them generally.

[Lenny]

1 hour ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I think it was the Broadway musical that caused them to rush into the trilogy. Billie was creatively charged in 2010-2011 like never before he’d come home from playing St Jimmy and write songs every night. They went right into the next project because he had like 60-70 songs 

Which is cool for us fans but not necessarily strategic for Green Day as an international brand and massive band. 

21cb was a horrible experience for the band to make but at the same time they felt pressure to avoid a 5 year break. It honestly wouldn’t have hurt if they took that break.

I get it sucks for us fans but the run of albums from 2012-2020 was their worst run yet. It wasn’t all terrible I just feel like they have not been spot on till Saviors.

I feel like Saviors is under appreciated especially in sales/streaming units because people have made up their minds about the band based off the last 10 years of output. 

4 minutes ago, stories and songs said:

I’m not sure I agree with this. I’m consistently pleasantly surprised by how Green Day is talked about in general spaces — random subreddits, social media comment sections. Green Day has a ton of goodwill (from everyone other than conservatives who hate their politics, obviously). Their old music makes people nostalgic, and now even American Idiot is 20 years old and there’s a new wave of nostalgia for that “newer” music, too. I see comments regularly about how they seem like good dudes, people think it’s cool they still call out politics, how great they are as live performers, etc. I haven’t seen iHeart mentioned outside of a Green Day space in years. I’m not under the impression they have a bad reputation with general listeners at all.

Now 12 years on, I think the iHeart incident is probably similar to how people will look at Will Smith’s Oscar outburst — a strange and inappropriate moment, but one people recognize as being out of character for that person/more complicated than someone just being bratty, and not representative of them generally.

Theres a ton of negative comments which seems to grow in numbers the better they do. Theyre actually one of the most hated bands as much as they are one of the most loved. 
 

Theres so many different cohorts. Theres some people in the dookie only camp or nothing good since AI camp. Theyre huge so theres a lot of opinions but not very many good ones about the more modern work.

[Christian's Inferno!]

20 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

The American Dream Is Killing Me - 10,636,357 (+93k)
Look Ma, No Brains! - 6,667,713 (+83k)
Bobby Sox - 3,291,885 (+120k)
One Eyed Bastard - 5,512,604 (+125k)
Dilemma - 7,284,679 (+124k)
1981 - 1,747,615 (+74k)
Goodnight Adeline - 1,616,020 (+65k)
Coma City - 1,393,489 (+52k)
Corvette Summer - 1,410,518 (+54k)
Suzie Chapstick - 1,441,781 (+62k)
Strange Days Are Here to Stay - 1,337,108 (+54k)
Living in the '20s - 1,297,758 (+55k)
Father to a Son - 1,112,146 (+42k)
Saviors - 1,090,631 (+42k)
Fancy Sauce - 1,055,952 (+41k)

TOTAL - 46,896,256 (+1,086,766)

The American Dream Is Killing Me - 10,725,042 (+89k)
Look Ma, No Brains! - 6,747,242 (+80k)
Bobby Sox - 3,406,651 (+115k)
One Eyed Bastard - 5,633,326 (+121k)
Dilemma - 7,402,285 (+118k)
1981 - 1,818,278 (+71k)
Goodnight Adeline - 1,676,792 (+61k)
Coma City - 1,440,915 (+47k)
Corvette Summer - 1,459,142 (+49k)
Suzie Chapstick - 1,500,277 (+58k)
Strange Days Are Here to Stay - 1,388,171 (+51k)
Living in the '20s - 1,349,149 (+51k)
Father to a Son - 1,149,781 (+38k)
Saviors - 1,131,742 (+41k)
Fancy Sauce - 1,093,456 (+38k)

TOTAL - 47,922,249 (+1,025,993)

[stories and songs]

I got my signed CD! 🥹 My friends have gotten signed stuff from their favorite artists and I never thought it was something that would matter to me. But I’ve been so excited to get this and just stared at it for like 15 minutes lol. Very cool and special.

[The 99th revolution]

3 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I think it was the Broadway musical that caused them to rush into the trilogy. Billie was creatively charged in 2010-2011 like never before he’d come home from playing St Jimmy and write songs every night. They went right into the next project because he had like 60-70 songs 

I just wondered - what if Goodnight New York, Oh Girl and Dreamcatcher were on the trilogy? Studio versions would sound good, even though there is barely any possibility they will ever get some. But even then, I think Mike said that when they die, the vault would come out entirely.

[That Dude]

21 minutes ago, The 99th revolution said:

I just wondered - what if Goodnight New York, Oh Girl and Dreamcatcher were on the trilogy? Studio versions would sound good, even though there is barely any possibility they will ever get some. But even then, I think Mike said that when they die, the vault would come out entirely.

But when Green Day die, a large majority of their fanbase will be gone as well.  Or maybe 10-12 years behind them.  

 Shenanigans 2:  Nobodies going to buy, stream or mind suck this album into their brain cells.  However music is ingested in the future, 😄 

 

[Christian's Inferno!]

@That Dude

Is this you? 

 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

7 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

@That Dude

Is this you? 

 

You're so crazy!

I'm the one that crazy?
Everybody's crazy.

That's my comment tho 😅

[That Dude]

8 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

@That Dude

Is this you? 

 

With those piddley little numbers? Nah.  What are they using to see them like that though? I can plug myself in and compare.

[Little Boy Named Booze]

I guess I can't find the Saviors Tour w/Rancid and Smashing Pumpkins thread??!!
Anyway enter here https://dookie30.greenday.com/ for a chance to win front row tickets to one of the North America date of your choice!

[TheMostExpressivePrice]

7 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

@Ce mec

Est-ce toi? 

 

Oh Green Day! Really? This is frenetic! i never believed i would encounter such a case! (the ''spoiler'' below includes senseless, useless, worthless statistics, do not open if you do not desire to spend your precious time)

Spoiler

At least, it confirms i am not among the craziest people on Earth, which was a fear i had when i came across a few absurd records for my activity on GreenTube (i recorded them by myself because it does not keep track): once, i have listened to "Nightlife" 30 consecutive times - mostly to realize what in their name Green Day were doing, 20 and 17 seperate consecutive times to "Christian's Inferno", 14 to "Android", 13 to "Say Goodbye", 12 to "Know Your Enemy" and 10 for each of "Ashley", "Private Ale", "Tight Wad Hill", "Holiday" and "Rest". But 1000+ times in two weeks? This aforementioned person is DEDICATED.

i might have been off for a week, but i took a break from what i was involved into to see how my favourite community is doing and whether the enthusiasm about this era has returned.

"Saviours" is Green Day's best directed/written album EVER. Even better than "American Idiot", "21st Century Breakdown" and "Warning:". What i mean is that the connection, the links between album songs are the strongest i have seen. "Look Ma, No Brains" may still be a stain to this album's glory and "Coma City" completely lacks character, but "Saviours", speaking generally, is amazing in terms of transitions, placements (except for tracks 5-7) and other related issues.

[TheMostExpressivePrice]

9 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

Le rêve américain me tue - 10 725 042 (+89k)
Ecoute maman, pas de cervelle ! - 6 747 242 (+80k)
Bobby Sox - 3 406 651 (+115k)
One Eyed Bastard - 5 633 326 (+121k)
Dilemme - 7 402 285 (+118k)
1981 - 1 818 278 (+71k)
Bonne nuit Adeline - 1 676 792 (+61k)
Coma City - 1 440 915 ( +47k)
Corvette Summer - 1 459 142 (+49k)
Suzie Chapstick - 1 500 277 (+58k)
Les jours étranges sont là pour rester - 1 388 171 (+51k)
Vivre dans les années 20 - 1 349 149 (+51k)
Père d'un fils - 1 149 781 (+ 38k)
Sauveurs - 1 131 742 (+41k)
Sauce fantaisie - 1 093 456 (+38k)

TOTAL - 47 922 249 (+1 025 993)

It seems that the trinity between "Look Ma, No Brains" and "1981" are the most attractive record songs currently. In general Side A is vastly beating Side B in terms of views and although it hurts me, it is easily explainable as Side A were the only performed and promoted songs until the album release.

Unfortunately the 3 tracks after "Living In The 20s" might have the luck of "Dookie" songs after "when i come around", meaning to become songs people will mostly listen as part of the entire album, instead of their own individual value and also have limited potential of being performed compared to the other songs.

[GDFan2019]

5 minutes ago, TheMostExpressivePrice said:

It seems that the trinity between "Look Ma, No Brains" and "1981" are the most attractive record songs currently. In general Side A is vastly beating Side B in terms of views and although it hurts me, it is easily explainable as Side A were the only performed and promoted songs until the album release.

Unfortunately the 3 tracks after "Living In The 20s" might have the luck of "Dookie" songs after "when i come around", meaning to become songs people will mostly listen as part of the entire album, instead of their own individual value and also have limited potential of being performed compared to the other songs.

Unless they put out a Side B song as a single. I'd like to see them do a video for Fancy Sauce!!!

[billy1986]

Side B I prefer to side A Coma City, Father To A Son, Suzie Chapsticks could all be singles as could Strange Days Are Here To stay…just keep promoting and drop videos or lyric videos 

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

23 hours ago, billy1986 said:

I hope promotion picks up again…long time until now and the tour 

I wonder if Saviors promo dropped off a little this week in preparation for Dookie's 30th anniversary