Saviors - Album Discussion

[TheMostExpressivePrice]

3 minutes ago, That Dude said:

Et des prisonniers pour les haineux. Et pénitencier, école primaire pour les perdants ou quoi que Jillie ait dit.

 

''The child of coyote and bandito'' and the following line about the hey-o across the river in "Sugar Youth" is also very bad.

Even so, the worst Green Day lyrics in their discography are in "Horseshoes And Handgrenades". They seem as if they stopped trying after the first two lines and filled the rest with random words. It is the only reason i can not ultimately decide whether "21st Century Breakdown" or "Warning" is the best album.

Generally Green Day lyrics have their highs and lows in the 21st century, but are mostly quite good.

[Christian's Inferno!]

15 minutes ago, TheMostExpressivePrice said:

''The child of coyote and bandito'' and the following line about the hey-o across the river in "Sugar Youth" is also very bad.

Even so, the worst Green Day lyrics in their discography are in "Horseshoes And Handgrenades". They seem as if they stopped trying after the first two lines and filled the rest with random words. It is the only reason i can not ultimately decide whether "21st Century Breakdown" or "Warning" is the best album.

Generally Green Day lyrics have their highs and lows in the 21st century, but are mostly quite good.

I'm sorry I'm not seeing the issue with Horseshoes & Handgrenades lyrics

[stories and songs]

3 hours ago, ThranaM said:

The board we saw Rob Cavallo holding up on the IG post showing Dilemma as the opening track,

«Welcome to my problems» as an opening line into Saviors would give me the absolute chills. 

That would be a powerful opener, but I’m really glad they went with TADIKM. While this album touches on issues that vary from individual to societal, I think TADIKM sums up the entire album’s tone best, because I feel like it speaks to how this chaotic world is dragging us down both as a whole and personally.

[Christian's Inferno!]

8 minutes ago, stories and songs said:

That would be a powerful opener, but I’m really glad they went with TADIKM. While this album touches on issues that vary from individual to societal, I think TADIKM sums up the entire album’a tone best, because I feel like it speaks to how this chaotic world is dragging us down both as a whole and personally.

I think the title track towards the end ties into TADIKM well and that wouldn't work as well if TADIKM wasn't the first track imo. Saviors sees the narrator wanting someone to save them from the American Dream which is killing them

[TheMostExpressivePrice]

33 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

Je suis désolé, je ne vois pas le problème avec les paroles de Horseshoes & Handgrenades.

No need to be afraid fellow fan. The combination-composition of so many not very well written lyrics, about deceivers, cheaters, bleeder, kissing, shooting, drink, fight, f***, annihilations, a hater traitor in a pair of Chuck Taylor's etc. made a controversial result, which is quite disappointing, especially thinking that "21st Century Breakdown" contains almost only excellent songs, including your username's one, both from lyrical and instrumental/vocal view. Speaking about vocals, it is another reason i never liked "Horseshoes And Handgrenades", because Billie Joe actually risked too much with that low key screaming. He used that voice again in "Christian's Inferno"'s verses and it was amazing, but here it was not good at all, and then the totally weird extended scream after the breakdown was certainly not one for the ages. Overall, a stain in an otherwise divine record.

So, could we bring the discussion back to the album?

[billy1986]

Seriously let’s all do our best to stream. They have a shot at a number 1 album and that would be huge. They put their hearts into this record and upcoming tour for us fans it’s time we give back and help them have another number 1 album. It’s possible. Keep streaming keep getting the word out there. Lets show the world great bands can still have a #1 debut regardless of what’s popular let’s fucking go and put this on top!!!

[suffoKate]

I love all the songs on the back half the most, or rather everything from “1981”through “Fancy Sauce”. Coma has been my favorite since first listen.

I have to categorize all GD music pre-Idiot as a different band 😂, but saviors has the potential to be my favorite “modern” GD album, other than parts of the Trilogy (trilogy is too hard to “rank” if you know what i mean).

Strangely, There has yet to be an album where a single has been my favorite track from its parent release. 

[DookieLukie]

I like TADIKM as the opener and I like where Saviors lands. I feel it would be too cheesy as an opener but works as a sort of sarcastic thematic refrain after the album has introduced us to a lot of sarcasm in tone.

[TheMostExpressivePrice]

9 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

J’aime TADIKM comme premier match et j’aime l’endroit où atterrissent les Sauveurs. Je pense que ce serait trop ringard comme début, mais cela fonctionne comme une sorte de refrain thématique sarcastique après que l'album nous ait présenté beaucoup de sarcasme dans le ton.

 i might be completely wrong, but i see in "Saviours" the same function "99 Revolutions" serves in "Tré", being the penultimate tracks in their respective albums and having a thin political taste.

[DookieLukie]

7 minutes ago, TheMostExpressivePrice said:

 i might be completely wrong, but i see in "Saviours" the same function "99 Revolutions" serves in "Tré", being the penultimate tracks in their respective albums and having a thin political taste.

Saviors is a better song though. But true they are both sort of rallying cries, but also Saviors is much more sarcastic.

[Little Boy Named Booze]

Someone received his signed CD.

Tré signed Ringo on it 😂 

Can't wait to receive mine. 

[Robbie1039]

2 hours ago, TheMostExpressivePrice said:

No need to be afraid fellow fan. The combination-composition of so many not very well written lyrics, about deceivers, cheaters, bleeder, kissing, shooting, drink, fight, f***, annihilations, a hater traitor in a pair of Chuck Taylor's etc. made a controversial result, which is quite disappointing, especially thinking that "21st Century Breakdown" contains almost only excellent songs, including your username's one, both from lyrical and instrumental/vocal view. Speaking about vocals, it is another reason i never liked "Horseshoes And Handgrenades", because Billie Joe actually risked too much with that low key screaming. He used that voice again in "Christian's Inferno"'s verses and it was amazing, but here it was not good at all, and then the totally weird extended scream after the breakdown was certainly not one for the ages. Overall, a stain in an otherwise divine record.

So, could we bring the discussion back to the album?

Apparently, Billie Joe wasn’t a fan of this song either so he might agree with you on this one.  I’m not one to pay too much attention to lyrics though, so this is actually one of my favorites off 21st Century Breakdown.  Its aggressive nature, driving drums, and guitar riff make it a true staple in their catalog for me.  Even though it doesn’t really fit in with the story of the album (besides the GLORIA screaming at the end), I’m glad Butch Vig urged them to include it on the record because it’s powerful as hell.  

Edited January 24 by Robbie1039

[That Dude]

I have cracked the code of the album cover....maybe.   it's a combination of all their album covers...maybe.  the black and white looks like 39 Smooth.  The boy is standing like Kerplunky is standing. There is chaos, like the Dookie cover.  The flames are Insomniac and rev rad.  Black and white is also nimrod and warning.  The quotations on saviors are like warning's colon. The black is from Idiot and Rev Rad and Father of all.    

[**nobodylikesyou**]

I can't stop listening. HELP ME before my family kicks me out of the house.

[DookieLukie]

“I’m a hater and a traitor in a pair of Chuck Taylors” is an awesome line.

People call these lines cheesy or lame but they’re hilarious and tongue-in-cheek to me.

[Yosuke Hanamura]

On 1/23/2024 at 2:11 PM, The Grohl said:

HEY OH

That should be the name of the record

[The Grohl]

18 minutes ago, Yosuke Hanamura said:

[BUBBYBUB]

20 hours ago, baggyshus said:

You can do that?

Yes at FedEx office if you have one 

[Flynn]

my signed cd is finally being "dispatched" in 3 days. it'll probably be here by next month atp, hope its worth it!!!

[jengd]

6 hours ago, DookieLukie said:

“I’m a hater and a traitor in a pair of Chuck Taylors” is an awesome line.

People call these lines cheesy or lame but they’re hilarious and tongue-in-cheek to me.

Could not agree with you more.

[Flashback]

I'm really stoked after that Billboard article. Last week's #1 had 133,000 sold copies and according to the article the streaming figures stayed quite stable. So why would they write such an article if Green Day was so far away from #1? 😅

[Miko]

Billboard charts, streaming charts.. bleh. Ramble incoming.

I still don't understand why anyone gives a shit about album doing commercially well enough or not. At the end of the day it simply does not matter. Trilogy is my favorite records from Green Day ever and those albums ''flopped'' in terms of album sales and fans reaction. Revolution Radio was seen as ''return to form'', it sold well and fans liked it, but that album is quite literally unlistanable to me thanks to loudness wars (Outlaws is the best example of this - notice how after quiet part your ears start literally bleeding due to how loud chorus it is) and even without production issues the songs are soulless and dull and I never enjoyed the album nor its songs as what they are. Father of All Motherfuckers is seen by almost every single one as the worst Green Day album ever, but even that shit had tracks I listen to this day with Sugar Youth being on top.

Then there is Saviors which is once again seen as ''return to form'' but this time songs are actually produced well and songs themselves (not all of them) feel alive and real - something that was missing from Revolution Radio. At times Billie writes really straightforward and at times he stumbles to his own shit by writing nonsense that can hardly be understood even by his most loyal audience. Still, it very much feels alive and real and themes surrounding this record are honest. Do you know how easy it would be for The Boys to just give in and do a record where they say fuck Trump on every single song? I'm just glad that they're making the songs they want to make and not what everyone wants them to make. That's part of Father of All Motherfuckers charm. It's definitely a record they wanted to make.

My point is that even if Saviors would sell 10 million copies, would that change anything? Would this mean it's literally top 3 Green Day album? Of course not. For me it's in top 5, but I can see why someone else would put it in bottom 5 instead. It's a safe record like Revolution Radio and doesn't offer anything new to diehard Green Day fan. Dilemma will be remembered as the best song from this album (which I disagree with, Corvette Summer is a bop) and songs like Strange Days will be forgotten, but that doesn't mean album is shit. It's good. Really good.

[jengd]

If ever you needed proof that chart performance doesn’t really matter, Dookie, 20,000,000 sales, not a number 1.  I think albums are remembered when they stay in people’s minds for a while rather than flash and burn. 

[ThranaM]

One Eyed Bastard has entered top 10 on Spotify!
Fucking amazing song.

TADIKM and Dilemma didn't even hit this after release!

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

One week into listening to this record any time I had the chance to and it is only growing on me.

To be completely honest I have absolutely no doubt this will stick with me as a classic Green Day release and one of my absolute favorites. 
I find it impressive for a band of 52 years old musicians to release a 14th record that is so solid, but what I find even more insane is that they are able to release a record that connects so well with such a diverse fanbase over 30 years into their career. I’m 31, listen to this band since I was 12 and still get goosebumps and manage to relate what they write and play. 
No doubt I am a weirdo with a weird attachment to this band, but this is insane. 

I still remember listening to an illegally downloaded mp3 of American Idiot on an iPod in the summer of 2005, while I was on vacation with my parents. I downloaded it in a rush right before leaving for a 2 weeks roadtrip cause there was not gonna be MTV available on the road and I couldn’t rely on radios. I only knew the singles playing on MTV at that point. 10 minutes after leaving I put my headphones on and realize that the record file was corrupted and the only songs being played were give me novocaine and homecoming. I clearly remember listening to those songs for two days in a row non-stop. I barely knew English back then and to this day I still have an alternative version of Homecoming with made up lyrics in my head.
At the second day of the trip I had to listen to the whole record. As soon as my parents stop for groceries in a mall in Slovakia I sneak in a copy of AI in my mom’s grocery basket. That was the first record I bought (if you call that buying) in my life. Fortunately my mom pretended to not notice. She rightfully didn’t want to buy me a portable CD player as I had a fucking iPod. Also that meant not having me with headphones on the whole time. Needles to say my parents became big GD fans as well as we listened to that CD non-stop for the rest of the trip through the car speakers.

Well, Saviors is constantly bringing back that memory, and only because of that I’ll love this record forever. Such a blessing to be a Green Day fan.