Saviors - Album Discussion

[CherryBombs&Gasoline]

Isn’t it a bit early to predict first week sales? The album came out just two days ago. It might end up selling a little more than 40-50k. But I guess rock music is just dead, especially in the US. Doesn’t really matter though. Green Day are past the point where they have to prove anything commercially. The album seems to unite the fan base, which is much more important.

[The 99th revolution]

2 hours ago, baggyshus said:

Favorite lyrics from the album, anyone? Here's all of mine.
 

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"Under the overpass, sleeping in broken glass." -The American Dream is Killing Me
"I defy the science, I'm a missing link." - Look Ma, No Brains!
"Do you wanna be my boyfriend? You're not just any type of girl..." - Bobby Sox
"Vendetta is a friend of mine, revenge is sweeter than wine." - One Eyed Bastard
"I'm in trouble and in love again." - Dilemma
"She is a cold war in my head, and I am East Berlin." - 1981
"Here comes a better day, but it's got nothing to do with tomorrow." - Goodnight Adeline
"Coma City, mask on your face. Bankrupt the planet for assholes in space." - Coma City
"Take me to urgent care, or the record store." - Corvette Summer
"Will you dedicate a song to me? Do you want me to just go away? I just wanna be your nobody, is there any chance that I could stay?" - Suzie Chapstick
"It's the return of The Blob, and Jesus gonna quit his job." - Strange Days are Here to Stay
"I got a buzz like a murder hornet, I drink my media and turn it into vomit. I got a robot and I'm fuckin' it senseless. It runs on batteries and only speaks in English." -Living in the '20s
"Is there anything I can do? A wisdom where your heart is heading to." - Father to a Son
"Everyone's asleep but nobody's dreaming. We got all the fiction that's worth believing." - Saviors
"Everyone's a victim and it makes me want to puke." - Fancy Sauce

 

Really looking forward to those people potentially shitting their pants and crying over the Bobby Sox video.

"Don't want no huddled masses / TikTok and taxes" - american dream
"Sick boy and I shit the bed" - Look ma no brains
"We can sit at home and watch reruns" - Bobby sox
"I always liked you but I'm glad that you're all dead" - One eyed bastard
"Oh why, if I fall asleep tonight / On the wing and prayer" - Dilemma
"Pain, commies and cocaine / Slam dance in acid rain / We live the dream for 15 minutes of fame" "*guitar solo*" - 1981
"Can you sing my sorrow?" - Goodnight adeline
"Coma city, children at play / Back from the chemist for mass on sunday" - Coma city
"Maybe I'm stupid, lazy and stray / Maybe I've had enough of this shit brigade" - Corvette summer
"Not just photos from an insta" - Susie chapstick
"Gen-Z killing, baby boomer now" "We stumble upon the avenues like fairy dust and bally-hoo" - Strange days
"It comes with batteries and only speaks in english" - Living in the 20s (This lyric grew on me)
"You're a light house in a storm" - Father to a son
"We are the last of the rockers making a commotion" - Saviors
"Everyone's famous / stupid and contagious" - Smells like fancy sauce [/j]

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Butch Walker is now also on Apple Music credited as acoustic guitar player on Goodnight Adeline 🤔

[WhiteTim]

2 minutes ago, Flashback said:

Butch Walker is now also on Apple Music credited as acoustic guitar player on Goodnight Adeline 🤔

Well he’s credited as that in the albums booklet 

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

10 hours ago, dudley dawson said:

For those interested in sales figures…
https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=339252&title=NEW-RELEASES:-GREEN-POWER

Green Day’s 14th studio album, Saviors (Reprise), is headed toward a first week opening in the 40-50k range. This puts the set on par with the band’s last release, Father of All Motherfuckers, which opened with 48k in February 2020.

Those numbers seems a bit off, but might be wrong. Doing some math and counting the sold out variants of the record as of today we are at about 27K copies already. I think it’s safe to say that most of these buyers are vinyl collectors and fans getting more then 1 variant, staying low and saying there’s an additional 15K from non-sold out vinyl variants and regular vinyl versions, we are already above 40K considering only vinyl. 
 

[Flynn]

Coma City has definitely been the one song that is growing on me. I initially wasn't as excited with the song because it just seemed too repetitive. But I'm starting to appreciate it a bit more, definitely still better songs for me though.

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9 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

Well he’s credited as that in the albums booklet 

Didn't know that, my physical copy didn't arrive so far. Hopefully we get some insights someday how exactly the involvement of Butch Walker and the producer change was.

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

The record has been #1 on iTunes worldwide for 3 days, those numbers are off IMHO. 
https://kworb.net/aww/

[WhiteTim]

17 minutes ago, Flashback said:

Didn't know that, my physical copy didn't arrive so far. Hopefully we get some insights someday how exactly the involvement of Butch Walker and the producer change was.

He’s listed as the acoustic guitar and he’s also listed as “additional engineering” altho for that credit  it doesn’t state for what songs 

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28 minutes ago, HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN said:

The record has been #1 on iTunes worldwide for 3 days, those numbers are off IMHO. 
https://kworb.net/aww/

Same with Apple Music at least in Austria. Maybe Apple Music is more meaningful since streaming is bigger than digital sales nowadays.

[Christian's Inferno!]

6 hours ago, TheMostExpressivePrice said:

i listened to the release day live performance and i can say that both "One Eyed" and "Bobby Sox" actually sound good live, which will surely improve my opinion about them. However, "Coma City" and "Look Ma, No Brains" are still my worst experiences off "Saviours" and are among the worst songs ever for me. You can not convince me that the latter does not literally sound as "Father Of All...". As for the first, i can not hear anything else but an high risk experiment.

 

As for the best placements, "Strange Days Are Here To Stay" is now firmly my favourite, after 4 more listens. "Living In The 20s" sounded more and more better with further listen, surpassing "1981" and "Saviours" for the 2nd place of this album. If only it had a nice bridge.

 

Also my improved view of the album and the further listens changed eventually my opinion for the album rankings: Now i place it in 7th place, above "1.039 SOSH", "Dos!", "Tré!", "Nimrod", "Dookie", "Father Of All..." and "Uno!" (the least favourite Green Day album) and behind "Kerplunk!", "American Idiot", "Revolution Radio", "Insomniac", "Warning:" and "21st Century Breakdown" (the most favourite Green Day album).

 

i hope the videos and audios receive the views they deserve! Happy ""Saviours" era" to everyone!

 

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In my timezone it is quite before morning but i stayed up until late because me and some friends got drunk because of a fortunate event (we were sober, now we are drunk again).

 

I really don't get this opinion on Coma City. It doesn't seem overly experimental or high risk at all? It just sounds like really good Green Day. Like it sounds like a song that basically any Green Day fan should like, at least if they enjoyed AI and 21CB. If anything, it sounds like it's straight off of 21st Century Breakdown in a lot of ways, which is apparently your favourite album.

 

3 hours ago, CherryBombs&Gasoline said:

Isn’t it a bit early to predict first week sales? The album came out just two days ago. It might end up selling a little more than 40-50k. But I guess rock music is just dead, especially in the US. Doesn’t really matter though. Green Day are past the point where they have to prove anything commercially. The album seems to unite the fan base, which is much more important.

With very few exceptions, I think it's uncommon for rock bands to sell any more than 70k units on first week. blink is a special case because it's the first album after 1) Tom returning to the band, their last release together was in 2012, 2) Mark recovering from cancer. There's just a lot more surrounding this era for blink. Edging and One More Time (the song) were pretty successful singles for them (at least considering they're rock singles from 2022/23). Metallica is the only other rock band that can get consistently good first week sales and that's because they're the biggest metal band of all time and they only release an album like every 8 years

[petros]

Blink sold 125k sales on first week. The album was great, the fans loved it, even the critics gave it great reviews. On top of that they did no press at all and only did one interview. Green Day is less relevant in this day and age than blink simple as.

[Platypus2000]

6 minutes ago, petros said:

Blink sold 125k sales on first week. The album was great, the fans loved it, even the critics gave it great reviews. On top of that they did no press at all and only did one interview. Green Day is less relevant in this day and age than blink simple as.

People won’t like this but it’s very true. I enjoy the Blink record much more than Saviors. Also saw Blink in Manchester October just gone and they’ve upped their live game beyond belief, fantastic show. 
 

Commercial success is irrelevant to GD for me at this point though, forever my favourite band. 

[CherryBombs&Gasoline]

11 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

I really don't get this opinion on Coma City. It doesn't seem overly experimental or high risk at all? It just sounds like really good Green Day. Like it sounds like a song that basically any Green Day fan should like, at least if they enjoyed AI and 21CB. If anything, it sounds like it's straight off of 21st Century Breakdown in a lot of ways, which is apparently your favourite album.

 

With very few exceptions, I think it's uncommon for rock bands to sell any more than 70k units on first week. blink is a special case because it's the first album after 1) Tom returning to the band, their last release together was in 2012, 2) Mark recovering from cancer. There's just a lot more surrounding this era for blink. Edging and One More Time (the song) were pretty successful singles for them (at least considering they're rock singles from 2022/23). Metallica is the only other rock band that can get consistently good first week sales and that's because they're the biggest metal band of all time and they only release an album like every 8 years

Yes, I’m not saying that I’m expecting super high sales figures for the album. I’m just saying it could be a little bit more or maybe even a little bit less. We just don’t know yet. But you’re right, that’s just the state of rock music right now and Blink was probably an exception. You already named a few factors, I’d also add that the band, especially Travis Barker, is hanging out with the likes of MGK. Didn’t he even produce one of his albums? I guess these connections help, too. They are just more in the spotlight. But again, it’s fine, Green Day had more commercial success than 99% of all rock bands, plus they’re selling out massive stadiums. This album is about uniting the fans, and I think it did. Everything else is just a bonus in my opinion.

[Christian's Inferno!]

6 minutes ago, CherryBombs&Gasoline said:

Yes, I’m not saying that I’m expecting super high sales figures for the album. I’m just saying it could be a little bit more or maybe even a little bit less. We just don’t know yet. But you’re right, that’s just the state of rock music right now and Blink was probably an exception. You already named a few factors, I’d also add that the band, especially Travis Barker, is hanging out with the likes of MGK. Didn’t he even produce one of his albums? I guess these connections help, too. They are just more in the spotlight. But again, it’s fine, Green Day had more commercial success than 99% of all rock bands, plus they’re selling out massive stadiums. This album is about uniting the fans, and I think it did. Everything else is just a bonus in my opinion.

Found this article from HitsDailyDouble from 2020 that said FOAMF had sold 40k units a week after its release and that ended up doing 48k units for its first week. So it could end up doing more than claimed https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=320034

I mean if they were off by almost 10k when FOAMF had already been out a week, then them being wrong about Saviors first week after only 1-2 days is possible too

 

I also found this article which says that FOAM sold 23k units in the UK for its first week. Didn't know that so that's interesting. https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=320021

[Lenny]

9 hours ago, TheMostExpressivePrice said:

Green Day and Blink-182 have followed similar, yet significantly different paths, so the nomination possibility for each vastly differs. i never cared to learn about Blink-182 so i can not extend my thought further.

(In my country the latter are much more popular as i can judge by the respective search results, however as i mentioned before in the previous topic i only listen to Green Day and not to a single other musician for quite a long time)

Update: You are kindly requested to ignore the rest of the message below, i started writing a different response without a reason and got quite over the limit. i will delete it completely if you want.

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Call me mentally unstable, but i think mentioning too much other bands while not even 2 days are fully completed from a brand new album release by Green Day endangers proving or at least showing that the community has a tendency into feeling disadvantaged against other musicians. i think the conversation is pathetic instead of active, which would offer points of constructive comparison and useful conversation.

(An example: While looking back in the -now locked- "Saviours" upcoming album conversation, i noticed that approximately in the middle, many users started talking about a different artist, almost not related at all to the band, let alone the album in wait back then. i do not think the respective fanbase would care that much about Green Day.)

It is understandable to talk about similarities in songs and work comparison, but comparing the nominations for an award seems a little senseless. Green Day are Green Day, the rest of the bands out there are these bands.

 

They both received almost the exact same reviews score wise which I find interesting. I think GD is up by a single point cause some international entity gave Blink a 40 and the same one gave GD a 60. Talk about a bunch of cheerful critics over there lol 

So I did the anecdotal test, Im the GD fan my wife is the blink fan. She really disliked the new Blink record. She was happy to see them together again but she just didnt get into it at all. She liked that music video though, I think it was for the song One More Time. Ironically I liked more songs from the album than she did. I showed her a few that I liked and she was like no those songs suck.

So yesterday we did Saviors in the car front to back and usually she’ll be loud if she hates it (I heard it about Rev Rad within 3-5 mins). We get through Bobby Sox. Silence. 1981. Silence. She said she didn’t like Goodnight Adeline but did say I can see people liking it cause it’s a well written song. We went through the rest of it. More silence. The odd speaking here or there were a few cracks like “that wasnt bad” or “I liked that one”. 

If it keeps my wife quiet about me blasting music in the car it’s a good record lol
 

 

[Thatsername]

I can't believe how exceptionally beautiful Billie's voice sounds in all of these songs, especially when you're listening with head phones. I don't know if it's only the great production or if he changed something, but I have the feeling that he really pushed himself to a next level here. He's always had a very unique and emotional voice, but on this record, I'm falling in love with it all over again. I can not only hear the anger, pain and confusion in his voice, I can feel it.

[Ryan]

17 hours ago, Robbie1039 said:

Corvette summer #1 let’s go!  I haven’t ranked them yet but corvette summer is at least tied with a few songs for number 1 😎

Corvette Summer fuckin bops and EASILY has the best hook on the album

[Robbie1039]

6 hours ago, Flynn said:

Coma City has definitely been the one song that is growing on me. I initially wasn't as excited with the song because it just seemed too repetitive. But I'm starting to appreciate it a bit more, definitely still better songs for me though.

Same here!  The song didn’t stick out to me at first, except for the instrumental outro.  I woke up with it in my head today though!

[Lenny]

13 minutes ago, Robbie1039 said:

Same here!  The song didn’t stick out to me at first, except for the instrumental outro.  I woke up with it in my head today though!

I like the blurb about the cops quitting their jobs. Makes me laugh every time. With my luck I get pulled over for speeding and that line plays when I roll down the window. 

[BratReject23]

I can't believe there's people that still compare green day & blink when saviors is miles better in terms of production, songwriting, voice... just father to a son beat all one more time album. And father to a son is not the best of saviors.

 

[Marki.]

I think my current fave is Goodnight Adeline, I love Billie's voice and the melancholy in it. On first listen, my favorite (besides the singles) was Strange Days Are Here to Stay, and one I could probably do without was Corvette Summer (the only one that made me want to skip ahead to get to the other tracks). But I've listened a few times now and I'm loving the album more and more as a whole... It just feels very comforting to listen to - I was trying to find another fitting adjective but I think comforting is it. It's 100% Green Day doing what they do best, as others have already said, somehow it really feels like a fusion of all their other stuff. I can't wait to hear some of these songs live. What a time to be a Green Day fan 

[DookieLukie]

Not to repeat this tired debate again but it is puzzling that Blink sells more records and gets more streams. They've always been seen as the less serious band of the two. Wonder if Blink is thriving in the MGK era of pop-punk revival (which Travis has been part of). Green Day has always felt like a more serious band and has gone more out of that pop-punk box.

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

I honestly don’t really care about stream numbers, but Blink is not getting more streams than Green Day and if we use that as a popularity metric they are not more popular. This doesn’t say anything about the quality of their music, it’s just a number fact. 

https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/7oPftvlwr6VrsViSDV7fJY_songs.html

https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/6FBDaR13swtiWwGhX1WQsP_songs.html#google_vignette

Same goes for YT:

https://kworb.net/youtube/artist/greenday.html

https://kworb.net/youtube/artist/blink-182.html
 

How Saviors will perform compared to One more time is something to check going forward, but also has only a marginal effect over the two bands stream numbers, since what pushes these metrics are the greatest hits. 

[petros]

Green Day are the biggest band overall no question about it, not even close.

Blink is just more relevant and bigger right now, like it or not. You can make those broad statements like "father to a son beats everything on blink's album" but that doesn't mean anything.