New single - Dilemma - Out December 7th

[That Dude]

Hey, I finally hear the Whatshername comparison. 

 

[Warszawa]

We waited so long for new green day but weird how this forum went dead after a week of release. I still love this song, it's grown on me so much, I adore Billie's voice here and even more I am so glad the video is so fun and features a lot of Billie XD I just don't see why they are not promoting their new stuff heavily. Go play secret shows, go on television or even play at home and upload it on youtube. I am dying to hear Dilemma live.

[Little Boy Named Booze]

40 minutes ago, Warszawa said:

We waited so long for new green day but weird how this forum went dead after a week of release. I still love this song, it's grown on me so much, I adore Billie's voice here and even more I am so glad the video is so fun and features a lot of Billie XD I just don't see why they are not promoting their new stuff heavily. Go play secret shows, go on television or even play at home and upload it on youtube. I am dying to hear Dilemma live.

I think December is a hard month for a lot of people at job before going into the Christmas vacation. And then the vacation with the family, friends, love ones.
But I'm sure this forum will be very active on January 19th
 

[stories and songs]

Agreed @Little Boy Named Booze. They’re filling December wisely — they’ve done more short interviews with radios and international morning shows than I can count, and the magazine interviews are rolling in. They’re playing Dick Clark’s NYE. But they don’t want to get lost in the holiday shuffle when people’s minds are elsewhere (plus I’m sure have their own holiday commitments). I’m confident in early January, when the album is close to coming out or already out, they’ll be on late night circuit and stuff. We also have reason to believe Billie will have a couple in-depth podcast interviews.

[DookieLukie]

Song has grown on me a lot too. Which is good news. It has a lot of replay value and stuff going on to notice.

[That Dude]

1 hour ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

I think December is a hard month for a lot of people at job before going into the Christmas vacation. And then the vacation with the family, friends, love ones.
But I'm sure this forum will be very active on January 19th
 

That's the day we open the Album 15 Speculation, right? 😉

Saviors, Foes and Bimbos Trilogy has begun!

[Lenny]

2 hours ago, Warszawa said:

We waited so long for new green day but weird how this forum went dead after a week of release. I still love this song, it's grown on me so much, I adore Billie's voice here and even more I am so glad the video is so fun and features a lot of Billie XD I just don't see why they are not promoting their new stuff heavily. Go play secret shows, go on television or even play at home and upload it on youtube. I am dying to hear Dilemma live.

GD fans are an older crowd now with jobs and shit to do. We’re probably a bit of a smaller crowd now as well.

I think tour time will usually be the busier time as people will want to know details before the shows they go to. What time did they go on? What did they play etc

 

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

Green Day’s latest posts about this one

https://www.instagram.com/p/C02PVghO1c5/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

https://www.instagram.com/stories/greenday/3257989520287557469?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

[CherryBombs&Gasoline]

The song is now up to ~ 1,500.000 streams on Spotify a week after its release. TADIKM had slightly more streams (~1,7000.000) but I think that’s normal because it was the lead single. It looks like the fans haven’t lost interest after the first two singles, which is a good sign.

[pacejunkie punk]

A smart thing Spotify does is put all the singles together in one playlist each time a single drops instead of as separate singles. So instead of just going on there and playing Dilemma by itself, it’s grouped with TADIKM and LMNB so you just play them all (and if you’re like me, you play them on repeat)

[Jankowski576]

1 hour ago, pacejunkie punk said:

A smart thing Spotify does is put all the singles together in one playlist each time a single drops instead of as separate singles. So instead of just going on there and playing Dilemma by itself, it’s grouped with TADIKM and LMNB so you just play them all (and if you’re like me, you play them on repeat)

The band actually chooses to do this, and it’s very smart!

[stories and songs]

I also like that the do this because then it seems like my listens of those singles will count toward my overall listening of the album once it comes out (not that it matters atm since Spotify skips December). A lot of times an artist will put the single out separately on Spotify and then that ends up as an outlier stat instead of being included with the rest of the album.

[Lenny]

2 hours ago, Jankowski576 said:

The band actually chooses to do this, and it’s very smart!

Agreed. For the casuals it gives a taste of the album. 
 

I am seeing so many positive responses online across several different channels. This has started off to be a great cycle for the band and I expect to see better numbers come January vs the release of Foam and Rev Rad. 
 

Am I pushing too hard expecting 100k units in the first week? We should atleast see 80k no?

[KGLWW]

It wouldn’t surprise me if eventually it comes out Spotify even is reporting less streams for rock bands in general. But maybe after FOAM older fans just gave up listening to them. People seem to like it, but it doesn’t a lot of people have heard it at all. More promotion could help with that. There are some bands, some that aren’t that well known have released some of their better songs recently, but yet the listens just died pretty early on. Maybe it’s more just less people are interested in new music in general. Unless the music is produced perfectly or is more dynamically different/experimental, I think it’s difficult to get many listens. Stuff that’s very pop or at the very top of the charts is most likely pretty much all that popular cause of getting on playlists or by getting popular shows/movies or through being played out in public malls and other places for instance. The industry doesn’t want to learn that it needs more committed/passionate fans. When Taylor Swift is the most popular artist (while not terrible), you know something is wrong. Actually extremely talented artist/bands know they can make a living being more artistic and experimental without trying to be mega stars. It’s just not worth it anymore. There are artists who would be making a lot more money now if the industry operated like it did a long time ago. Some are pretty well off, but it’s difficult to be a mega star if you play rock music now. The industry pretty much doesn’t allow it.

[pacejunkie punk]

Here's a bit from the Visions magazine interview (translated from German) that's about Dilemma:

 

Q: Songs like Dilemma sound more personal. Are you still processing your withdrawal from this?

BJA: Yes, because abstinence is like a big wave on the sea that you sometimes have to fight through. I'm not perfect, and I don't want to act like I joined a cult, but it's a special time in my life when it's good that I can take care of myself and not make myself sick.

Q: You're somewhat questioning the concept of complete abstinence, aren't you?

BJA: I don't know. The song is ambiguous. For many people, abstinence is the number one priority because if you relapse you can literally die. I'll put it this way: sometimes I take it seriously, and there are times when I kind of fall off and then try to find my way back - but usually I manage. 

[Christian's Inferno!]

3 hours ago, Lenny said:

Agreed. For the casuals it gives a taste of the album. 
 

I am seeing so many positive responses online across several different channels. This has started off to be a great cycle for the band and I expect to see better numbers come January vs the release of Foam and Rev Rad. 
 

Am I pushing too hard expecting 100k units in the first week? We should atleast see 80k no?

100k or even 80k is very unlikely imo. RevRad got 95k units (90k from album sales) but that was 7 years ago. Since that time, album sales have only got less over time. I'm honestly not expecting the album to do that much better than FOAMF in terms of first week sales (which got 48k units including 42k sales). Like I think 65k is probably the max I would be expecting tbh. Blink got 125k units but that's very rare for a rock band nowadays and really only happened because of the return of Tom and the success of those first 2 singles from the album, Edging and One More Time (whose success can also be attributed to the return of Tom). Paramore's most recent album got 64k units first week and Paramore is a band who's been more commercially successful than Green Day in recent times. After Laughter was a commercially successful album for them, not their biggest album ever but still successful. The lead single This Is Why reached no. 8 ln the Bubbling Under Hot 100 chart and a decent amount of spotify streams (75 million), as does the whole album (with every track at least above 11 million). Fall Out Boy's recent album also got 64k first week units with their first true rock album since before their hiatus. Foo Fighters' most recent album only got 62k album units and that seems to be a pretty acclaimed album by fans and critics. The only rock band still around that can still consistently get good first week numbers is Metallica and that's because they release 1 album like every 8 years. 72 seasons got 146k units first week

14 hours ago, CherryBombs&Gasoline said:

The song is now up to ~ 1,500.000 streams on Spotify a week after its release. TADIKM had slightly more streams (~1,7000.000) but I think that’s normal because it was the lead single. It looks like the fans haven’t lost interest after the first two singles, which is a good sign.

I think it's going to end up being listened to more than TADIKM. Still Breathing wasn't the lead single and ended up being the more streamed track and I don't see TADIKM being a fan favourite track in the band's discography in the future tbh, at least not as much as Dilemma

[Lenny]

14 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

100k or even 80k is very unlikely imo. RevRad got 95k units (90k from album sales) but that was 7 years ago. Since that time, album sales have only got less over time. I'm honestly not expecting the album to do that much better than FOAMF in terms of first week sales (which got 48k units including 42k sales). Like I think 65k is probably the max I would be expecting tbh. Blink got 125k units but that's very rare for a rock band nowadays and really only happened because of the return of Tom and the success of those first 2 singles from the album, Edging and One More Time (whose success can also be attributed to the return of Tom). Paramore's most recent album got 64k units first week and Paramore is a band who's been more commercially successful than Green Day in recent times. After Laughter was a commercially successful album for them, not their biggest album ever but still successful. The lead single This Is Why reached no. 8 ln the Bubbling Under Hot 100 chart and a decent amount of spotify streams (75 million), as does the whole album (with every track at least above 11 million). Fall Out Boy's recent album also got 64k first week units with their first true rock album since before their hiatus. Foo Fighters' most recent album only got 62k album units and that seems to be a pretty acclaimed album by fans and critics. The only rock band still around that can still consistently get good first week numbers is Metallica and that's because they release 1 album like every 8 years. 72 seasons got 146k units first week

I think it's going to end up being listened to more than TADIKM. Still Breathing wasn't the lead single and ended up being the more streamed track and I don't see TADIKM being a fan favourite track in the band's discography in the future tbh, at least not as much as Dilemma

Yeah I guess time will tell. I do see a lot of positive comments where people mention actually going out and buying this record. I know with Foam we didnt see that. 
 

Let’s set 64k as a benchmark and see if they hit it. I think it’s attainable this time around.

[pacejunkie punk]

I also don’t remember seeing as many colored vinyl variants with FOAM or RevRad as they do now. I think they push more vinyl that way with all the “limited editions” they sell. It will be interesting to see if that makes any real difference 

[Saviour]

3 hours ago, KGLWW said:

It wouldn’t surprise me if eventually it comes out Spotify even is reporting less streams for rock bands in general. But maybe after FOAM older fans just gave up listening to them. People seem to like it, but it doesn’t a lot of people have heard it at all. More promotion could help with that. There are some bands, some that aren’t that well known have released some of their better songs recently, but yet the listens just died pretty early on. Maybe it’s more just less people are interested in new music in general. Unless the music is produced perfectly or is more dynamically different/experimental, I think it’s difficult to get many listens. Stuff that’s very pop or at the very top of the charts is most likely pretty much all that popular cause of getting on playlists or by getting popular shows/movies or through being played out in public malls and other places for instance. The industry doesn’t want to learn that it needs more committed/passionate fans. When Taylor Swift is the most popular artist (while not terrible), you know something is wrong. Actually extremely talented artist/bands know they can make a living being more artistic and experimental without trying to be mega stars. It’s just not worth it anymore. There are artists who would be making a lot more money now if the industry operated like it did a long time ago. Some are pretty well off, but it’s difficult to be a mega star if you play rock music now. The industry pretty much doesn’t allow it.

Market saturation & changing cultural tastes. 

People ARE interested in new music, it's just that it's is easier than ever to listen to and there's infinitely more of it than there ever has been. It's harder to cut through. 

When was the last time a rock band really broke through to become a huge global success? There's a reason all of the biggest bands in the world have been around for 20+ years. 1. What used to be called "alternative" music just isn't as popular amongst younger people as it once was, and 2. The younger people that are into these genres are able to find much more niche artists. 

I'd guess that major rock artists' listens (and by extension, popularity) are for the most part propped up by people who are 30+.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Saviour

[The Grohl]

3 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Here's a bit from the Visions magazine interview (translated from German) that's about Dilemma:

 

Q: Songs like Dilemma sound more personal. Are you still processing your withdrawal from this?

BJA: Yes, because abstinence is like a big wave on the sea that you sometimes have to fight through. I'm not perfect, and I don't want to act like I joined a cult, but it's a special time in my life when it's good that I can take care of myself and not make myself sick.

Q: You're somewhat questioning the concept of complete abstinence, aren't you?

BJA: I don't know. The song is ambiguous. For many people, abstinence is the number one priority because if you relapse you can literally die. I'll put it this way: sometimes I take it seriously, and there are times when I kind of fall off and then try to find my way back - but usually I manage. 

It makes my heart happy to hear he's in a good place right now. Also I like how open and honest he's being about the whole thing. A far cry from his hell yeah let's party and get shit faced vibe on FOAM. 

[Montclare]

I just hope it hits 1. FOAM only got to 4.

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

New Post from Green Day (photos from the video shoot) 

https://www.instagram.com/p/C04vmeDJa5b/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[Twundy]

4 hours ago, Montclare said:

I just hope it hits 1. FOAM only got to 4.

Agreed. Would love to see them have one more #1 album.

I’ve got 3 copies preordered (Vinyl, CD, & Cassette).
 

Anyone got that beat???

[Susi Sour cream]

15 hours ago, The Grohl said:

It makes my heart happy to hear he's in a good place right now. Also I like how open and honest he's being about the whole thing. A far cry from his hell yeah let's party and get shit faced vibe on FOAM. 

This so much! The whole FOAM promo just felt so freaking wrong 😕

 

This article also has a little bit of talking about Dilemma: https://themusic.com.au/news/green-day-australia-2025/_CpC7hEQExI/12-12-23

The exciting news comes following the release of Dilemma, with Armstrong explaining that the track resonated with him deeply due to his previous struggles with addiction.

“I was sober now I’m drunk again / I’m in trouble and in love again / I don’t want to be a dead man walking / I don’t want to be a dead man walking,” he sings on the track, which was inspired by the singer’s addiction issues.

“I’ve struggled with addiction ever since I was a teenager, and I got sober for like five years … I started drinking again and it really started taking a physical and mental toll on me where I just felt like I couldn’t stop, I was a glutton, it became an obsession,” Armstrong said of the personal track (as per Daily Telegraph).

“It started affecting the people around me that I love the most. And so that’s what I wrote about. And I haven’t had a drink in like 16 months.”

[stories and songs]

Wow, it makes me emotional to hear him talk about this so frankly — I don’t think he’s ever spoken about his issues in a way that just felt so completely honest.

And the stuff he was saying during the FOAM promo was just so alarming and I worried we’d never make it back to a good spot again. I know it must be really really hard — for anyone, but especially someone who is in a band — and I’m so happy for him that he seems to be doing so well. I want him here on Earth with us alive and rocking for as long as humanly possible! 🥰