Billie Joes Voice change

[ekim]

57 minutes ago, Schindi_25 said:

Actually I Miss the Little voicecrack at the beginning of She nowadays

Well 2022 he was definitely out of shape that would also effect his ability to sing especially trying to hit those higher notes he has since lost the extra weight he gained around that time 

[pcj]

On 11/26/2023 at 9:58 PM, Ryan said:

He has changed his vocal placement in order to accommodate the stresses of touring/aging. It's really not a big deal, and an absolute necessity if he wants to maintain his voice and be able to continue performing for years to come. Look at the amount of old rock stars (Billie's age and older) that literally cannot sing their music anymore. Some of them can't even sing when they lower the key. We should all be happy that Billie is taking measures (and obviously being VERY intentional about his choices) that will help preserve his voice and allow them to keep making music and performing live. 

 

On 11/27/2023 at 10:51 AM, Insomniac90 said:

I also loved his trilogy voice performance in 2013. But at the beginning during the FOAM he sounded different comparing to 2021/2022. I mean its still listenable. For me its ok as long as he still can do it.

From a previous discussion, I think it was said that Billie Joe used a singing technique call 'falsetto' which he used for FOAM album? Described as "an airy, tinny sound created to hit very high notes by loosening the vocal cord closure." Would this have any detrimental effect on his singing ability, or strain his vocal cords, for the short or long term, or no effect at all?

[Ryan]

2 hours ago, pcj said:

 

From a previous discussion, I think it was said that Billie Joe used a singing technique call 'falsetto' which he used for FOAM album? Described as "an airy, tinny sound created to hit very high notes by loosening the vocal cord closure." Would this have any detrimental effect on his singing ability, or strain his vocal cords, for the short or long term, or no effect at all?

Falsetto, in theory and practice, would actually prevent the vocal chords from becoming strained or damaged. If you were to sing a full-voiced, sustained note that was in the middle of your range and then start sliding higher in pitch. you will get a a point where you have to choose to continue pushing in your same voice, or "flip" into a different part of your register (typically the falsetto that you are speaking of). This flip occurs at your break point, classically referred to as the passaggio. With proper training and technique, you can extend where your break point/passaggio comes in. Often, the ability to extend your range comes with changing your placement or singing technique. which is what is causing Billie's sound to be a bit "thinner" than it has sounded in the past. This is why it's actually very reassuring to me any time Billie changes his technique. He is making choices that will, in the long run, extend the longevity of his vocal chords and ability to perform. 

I know that some of this is somewhat technical, but I am a classically trained vocalist and love talking about this shit. So I will gladly answer any questions that anybody has about these topics.

[pcj]

52 minutes ago, Ryan said:

Falsetto, in theory and practice, would actually prevent the vocal chords from becoming strained or damaged. If you were to sing a full-voiced, sustained note that was in the middle of your range and then start sliding higher in pitch. you will get a a point where you have to choose to continue pushing in your same voice, or "flip" into a different part of your register (typically the falsetto that you are speaking of). This flip occurs at your break point, classically referred to as the passaggio. With proper training and technique, you can extend where your break point/passaggio comes in. Often, the ability to extend your range comes with changing your placement or singing technique. which is what is causing Billie's sound to be a bit "thinner" than it has sounded in the past. This is why it's actually very reassuring to me any time Billie changes his technique. He is making choices that will, in the long run, extend the longevity of his vocal chords and ability to perform. 

I know that some of this is somewhat technical, but I am a classically trained vocalist and love talking about this shit. So I will gladly answer any questions that anybody has about these topics.

Thanks for that really appreciate it. One further point if I may. I believe that  the correct breathing technique used whilst singing is crucial, to ensure the best quality of the sound produced, whilst protecting the vocal cords. Therefore, the singer must be able to breathe through the nose and mouth at the same time. Is that correct? Just breathing through mouth only, risks drying out the vocal cords. Of course, trying to sing by just breathing through the nose would be impossible as you could not draw in enough air needed to produce the sound desired? That's my understanding but your professional clarification would be amazing. Thanks. 

[cav9mm]

2 hours ago, Ryan said:

Falsetto, in theory and practice, would actually prevent the vocal chords from becoming strained or damaged. If you were to sing a full-voiced, sustained note that was in the middle of your range and then start sliding higher in pitch. you will get a a point where you have to choose to continue pushing in your same voice, or "flip" into a different part of your register (typically the falsetto that you are speaking of). This flip occurs at your break point, classically referred to as the passaggio. With proper training and technique, you can extend where your break point/passaggio comes in. Often, the ability to extend your range comes with changing your placement or singing technique. which is what is causing Billie's sound to be a bit "thinner" than it has sounded in the past. This is why it's actually very reassuring to me any time Billie changes his technique. He is making choices that will, in the long run, extend the longevity of his vocal chords and ability to perform. 

I know that some of this is somewhat technical, but I am a classically trained vocalist and love talking about this shit. So I will gladly answer any questions that anybody has about these topics.

The technical stuff is fascinating….

 

On a side note, is Mike Patton the greatest singer in Rock history or at least the most versatile?

4 minutes ago, cav9mm said:

The technical stuff is fascinating….

 

On a side note, is Mike Patton the greatest singer in Rock history or at least the most versatile?

This is great stuff ^ , again love the technical explanation. 

[Ryan]

1 hour ago, pcj said:

Thanks for that really appreciate it. One further point if I may. I believe that  the correct breathing technique used whilst singing is crucial, to ensure the best quality of the sound produced, whilst protecting the vocal cords. Therefore, the singer must be able to breathe through the nose and mouth at the same time. Is that correct? Just breathing through mouth only, risks drying out the vocal cords. Of course, trying to sing by just breathing through the nose would be impossible as you could not draw in enough air needed to produce the sound desired? That's my understanding but your professional clarification would be amazing. Thanks. 

Breathing is definitely an integral part of anybody's vocal technique. The most important part of breathing, as it relates to singing (and a lot of other things for that matter) is breathing with your diaphragm. A really good exercise for this is to take a big deep breath...if your shoulders lift up more than a very miniscule amount when you do this, then you are not breathing from your diaphragm or with proper technique. Ideally, when you take a breath in, you want to feel your ribcage/midsection expand, like you're filling up a balloon that is right in between your ribs and stomach. I don't know if I necessarily would say that it's a must to be able to breathe through the nose and mouth at the same time. You are 100% correct that breathing through only your mouth would have a negative impact on your vocal chords (in the moment) because it may cause them to dry out more quickly. Typically speaking, if you have a reasonable amount of time between phrases, a breath through the nose is going to be your best bet. And, obviously, the more time you have before you start singing again, the slower and more controlled your breath can be. If you have almost no time before your next phrase, you need to take what's often called a "catch breath," which is where you (most often through your mouth) take a really quick breath in order to get right back into the next phrase. Seasoned vocalists can take a full breath with their catch breath if needed. 

Breathing is honestly one of the absolute biggest things to consider when talking about good vocal technique and one that literally has chapters upon chapters worth of information about its importance. It's difficult because it has to be an intentional focus. The slightest bit of a change in your sinuses, congestion (chest or nasal), etc. ALL impact how you can breath. The average person knows about this just from getting a cold or whatever. So now imagine having to consciously consider all of those things you have going on and have to make on the spot adjustments to your techniques. 

[Lenny]

4 hours ago, Ryan said:

Falsetto, in theory and practice, would actually prevent the vocal chords from becoming strained or damaged. If you were to sing a full-voiced, sustained note that was in the middle of your range and then start sliding higher in pitch. you will get a a point where you have to choose to continue pushing in your same voice, or "flip" into a different part of your register (typically the falsetto that you are speaking of). This flip occurs at your break point, classically referred to as the passaggio. With proper training and technique, you can extend where your break point/passaggio comes in. Often, the ability to extend your range comes with changing your placement or singing technique. which is what is causing Billie's sound to be a bit "thinner" than it has sounded in the past. This is why it's actually very reassuring to me any time Billie changes his technique. He is making choices that will, in the long run, extend the longevity of his vocal chords and ability to perform. 

I know that some of this is somewhat technical, but I am a classically trained vocalist and love talking about this shit. So I will gladly answer any questions that anybody has about these topics.

Love hearing about the technical part to be honest. Im a vocalist as well but not classically trained however I have worked with some vocal coaches throughout my time.

Being in punk rock and just around people with bad habits I obviously went down a bit of a path where we did some crazy things. Those things affected my voice negatively at the time. The voice is an instrument that needs to be taken care of. 

57 minutes ago, Ryan said:

Breathing is definitely an integral part of anybody's vocal technique. The most important part of breathing, as it relates to singing (and a lot of other things for that matter) is breathing with your diaphragm. A really good exercise for this is to take a big deep breath...if your shoulders lift up more than a very miniscule amount when you do this, then you are not breathing from your diaphragm or with proper technique. Ideally, when you take a breath in, you want to feel your ribcage/midsection expand, like you're filling up a balloon that is right in between your ribs and stomach. I don't know if I necessarily would say that it's a must to be able to breathe through the nose and mouth at the same time. You are 100% correct that breathing through only your mouth would have a negative impact on your vocal chords (in the moment) because it may cause them to dry out more quickly. Typically speaking, if you have a reasonable amount of time between phrases, a breath through the nose is going to be your best bet. And, obviously, the more time you have before you start singing again, the slower and more controlled your breath can be. If you have almost no time before your next phrase, you need to take what's often called a "catch breath," which is where you (most often through your mouth) take a really quick breath in order to get right back into the next phrase. Seasoned vocalists can take a full breath with their catch breath if needed. 

Breathing is honestly one of the absolute biggest things to consider when talking about good vocal technique and one that literally has chapters upon chapters worth of information about its importance. It's difficult because it has to be an intentional focus. The slightest bit of a change in your sinuses, congestion (chest or nasal), etc. ALL impact how you can breath. The average person knows about this just from getting a cold or whatever. So now imagine having to consciously consider all of those things you have going on and have to make on the spot adjustments to your techniques. 

I suffer from a lot of sinus issues that have affected my singing at times. Also affected my hearing at times too. 

[Slave To The Network]

7 hours ago, ekim said:

Well 2022 he was definitely out of shape that would also effect his ability to sing especially trying to hit those higher notes he has since lost the extra weight he gained around that time 

You think that's really something that affects his singing, though? If so, you'd think he'd keep losing to try and return to the ideal weight for his voice. I would say that would probably have been around 2009-2010 and 2013-2015. He had a perfect balance then. Definitely in shape, but also certainly not too skinny like he's been at other times. Like I mentioned previously, I have no idea what different things can affect singing, aside from the most obvious. 

[Schindi_25]

What do you Think would happen if Billie tries to Sing like in 2010?

would it be possible? And which of the newer Songs (since Revolution radio) would Sound much better?