New album - Saviors - Out January 19th

[Im.a.basket.case]

  On 10/30/2023 at 1:20 PM, localinsomniac said:

Somebody was asking what the pedophile line is about in TADIKM a few pages back. I've been thinking about that. In my interpretation, he seems to be likening the American Dream to something completely off-limits, that blue collar workers obsess over to a completely inappropriate degree.

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I take that line as people will throw their morals down the sewer drain to achieve the 'American Dream.'

[GDFan2019]

  On 10/30/2023 at 1:29 PM, Lenny said:

Yeah I feel like theyre shining a negative light on those who glorify the american dream or make it their entire life and essence.

The line is definitely in there for some form of shock value. It’s a word that’s supposed to make us stop and go “wtf?”

And of course those YT reviewers are going to make a massive reaction out of these types of things because well, they’re acting for viewership. They all had the same reaction to the second verse too.

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“Bulldoze your family home, now it’s a condo!”

This delivers the same message as “They paved paradise to put up a parking lot.” from Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell

[ekim]

  On 10/30/2023 at 2:38 PM, GDFan2019 said:

“Bulldoze your family home, now it’s a condo!”

This delivers the same message as “They paved paradise to put up a parking lot.” from Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell

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I would've preferred tear down the family's home to build a condo 

[DookieLukie]

  On 10/30/2023 at 2:38 PM, GDFan2019 said:

“Bulldoze your family home, now it’s a condo!”

This delivers the same message as “They paved paradise to put up a parking lot.” from Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell

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This line is one of my favorites in the song. Also hits home as I’ve seen my local community full of classic houses and history get bulldozed when rich people decide to move in, tear down these beautiful old homes, and build a new McMansion. It’s a trend in America.

[Ryan]

  On 10/30/2023 at 1:58 PM, Im.a.basket.case said:

I take that line as people will throw their morals down the sewer drain to achieve the 'American Dream.'

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Ding ding! We have a winner!!

[roushgreenday1fan]

After many, many listens my favorite line is: ”did you ever learn to read the ransom note?”

Don’t you know that you’re suppose to be a wage slave to the rich and give up on the “American Dream”?

Edited October 30, 2023 by roushgreenday1fan

[Little Boy Named Booze]

  On 10/30/2023 at 4:16 PM, roushgreenday1fan said:

After many, many listens my favorite line is: ”did you ever learn to read the ransom note?”

 

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same but i'm always singing Did you ever learn to read or write so well

[Lenny]

  On 10/30/2023 at 2:38 PM, GDFan2019 said:

“Bulldoze your family home, now it’s a condo!”

This delivers the same message as “They paved paradise to put up a parking lot.” from Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell

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Yeah similar but one is modernized. 
 

Condos are a horrible idea. The idea is to maximize population density and reduce and minimize society’s expectations for living space. or atleast thats the impact now. 

The original idea was to help with pressures of housing and to provide affordable housing and ownership. It allowed people to get a foot in the door of the market.

It’s also painting a picture of gentrification as a whole. This is often seen as a negative on marginalized communities due to economic impact to the markets in the area. That’s a whole debate though which is off topic from the song.

  On 10/30/2023 at 4:16 PM, roushgreenday1fan said:

After many, many listens my favorite line is: ”did you ever learn to read the ransom note?”

Don’t you know that you’re suppose to be a wage slave to the rich and give up on the “American Dream”?

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My favourite line as well. The delivery is epic and the lyrics are near perfect. For anyone in a business that’s impacted by layoffs this will hit home.

The severance documentation is essentially a ransom note. You have no options and if you don’t sign this or agree to our terms and conditions you don’t get what is legally yours.

Meanwhile all the power there is held with the employee. They just dont want you to exercise your rights so they force you into this pressure cooker environment and manipulate your life to get what THEY want or need. 

[ekim]

https://youtu.be/g8PPugsQWwM?si=7hIWRUktY1TELlAl wow listened to billie from foam era and than listened to American dream the difference in his voice is astounding 

[GDFan2019]

  On 10/30/2023 at 5:44 PM, ekim said:

https://youtu.be/g8PPugsQWwM?si=7hIWRUktY1TELlAl wow listened to billie from foam era and than listened to American dream the difference in his voice is astounding 

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It's also Butch Walker production vs. Rob Cavallo

I just thought of something. Since we're getting the Look Ma, No Brains single this week, do you think we're also getting a music video? I wonder when that one would've been filmed. Could it be a continuation of the American Dream is Killing Me video and filmed on the same night? Because 5 PM to 3 AM seems like an awful long time to just be working on 1 video.

[Christian's Inferno!]

  On 10/30/2023 at 5:50 PM, GDFan2019 said:

It's also Butch Walker production vs. Rob Cavallo

I just thought of something. Since we're getting the Look Ma, No Brains single this week, do you think we're also getting a music video? I wonder when that one would've been filmed. Could it be a continuation of the American Dream is Killing Me video and filmed on the same night? Because 5 PM to 3 AM seems like an awful long time to just be working on 1 video.

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Doubt it. We might get a lyric video

[pacejunkie punk]

  On 10/30/2023 at 5:50 PM, GDFan2019 said:

It's also Butch Walker production vs. Rob Cavallo

I just thought of something. Since we're getting the Look Ma, No Brains single this week, do you think we're also getting a music video? I wonder when that one would've been filmed. Could it be a continuation of the American Dream is Killing Me video and filmed on the same night? Because 5 PM to 3 AM seems like an awful long time to just be working on 1 video.

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They would only have done the video. One night is not long at all for a video with that many extras, sets and makeup. I hope we get another video but it may be either a lyric video or something simpler

[ekim]

  On 10/30/2023 at 5:50 PM, GDFan2019 said:

It's also Butch Walker production vs. Rob Cavallo

I just thought of something. Since we're getting the Look Ma, No Brains single this week, do you think we're also getting a music video? I wonder when that one would've been filmed. Could it be a continuation of the American Dream is Killing Me video and filmed on the same night? Because 5 PM to 3 AM seems like an awful long time to just be working on 1 video.

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Could be but I'm leaning towards a lyric video for this one I think the next single will be a ballad either goodnight adeline or father to a son 

[DonaldTrump]

Does somebody know why billies vocals are so high? In my opinion, saviors is heading in the right direction with the vocals. 
 

But imagine the trilogy, rev rad and even foam with 2004 vocals.. can‘t he sing anymore in that way?

I love tadikm but listen to this….. its so much better 

 

https://youtu.be/RYYuavowom8?si=xpmMk9m9Pp50eFsJ

[DookieLukie]

I miss his deep AI voice, too.

[MillenniumFan]

  On 10/30/2023 at 6:32 PM, DonaldTrump said:

Does somebody know why billies vocals are so high? In my opinion, saviors is heading in the right direction with the vocals. 
 

But imagine the trilogy, rev rad and even foam with 2004 vocals.. can‘t he sing anymore in that way?

I love tadikm but listen to this….. its so much better 

 

https://youtu.be/RYYuavowom8?si=xpmMk9m9Pp50eFsJ

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I love TADIKM but I'm also an absolute sucker for 2004 Billie vocals. They just gave the songs more... idk... weight? 

As for why his voice changed, I suppose that's just ageing tbh. He sounds different live as well, if you compare live performances from then and in later years, it's quite noticeable. That's why I'm also a sucker for 2000-2005 live performances. But yeah, some people's voices just get deeper with age, others more high-pitched, some more nasal, others raspier etc. It's usually a combination of genetic and environmental factors. But anyhow, it's not something he or anyone else can control.

As it stands, I'm still happy he's able to sing rather well. That's not a given. For instance, I love Dave Grohl and adore the Foos, but in recent years hearing that guy desperately and rather forcefully trying to extract the same strength of voice as in previous years is just kinda sad.

Billie sometimes struggles, yes, but for a guy in his 50s with a past of severe alcohol (and substance) abuse he's doing pretty well all things considered. 

We can't turn back time, so let's just savour the present

[devilskind92]

  On 10/30/2023 at 6:32 PM, DonaldTrump said:

Does somebody know why billies vocals are so high? In my opinion, saviors is heading in the right direction with the vocals. 
 

But imagine the trilogy, rev rad and even foam with 2004 vocals.. can‘t he sing anymore in that way?

I love tadikm but listen to this….. its so much better 

 

https://youtu.be/RYYuavowom8?si=xpmMk9m9Pp50eFsJ

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I don't like how they basically replaced the amazing falsetto part with regular singing, completely butchering what is my favorite part of the song. And I'm not into the fact that someone took their work, modified it with AI, and now some people are saying this is better than what the band is putting out for real. Kinda lame if ya ask me.

It is cool only as an exercise of imagining what some songs would sound like if they were made in different eras, but that's about it.

[DonaldTrump]

  On 10/30/2023 at 6:50 PM, devilskind92 said:

I don't like how they basically replaced the amazing falsetto part with regular singing, completely butchering what is my favorite part of the song. And I'm not into the fact that someone took their work, modified it with AI, and now some people are saying this is better than what the band is putting out for real. Kinda lame if ya ask me.

It is cool only as an exercise of imagining what some songs would sound like if they were made in different eras, but that's about it.

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I bet you‘re fun at parties haha 

come on, i was just fangirling about his deep vocals 

[Ryan]

  On 10/30/2023 at 6:50 PM, devilskind92 said:

I don't like how they basically replaced the amazing falsetto part with regular singing, completely butchering what is my favorite part of the song. And I'm not into the fact that someone took their work, modified it with AI, and now some people are saying this is better than what the band is putting out for real. Kinda lame if ya ask me.

It is cool only as an exercise of imagining what some songs would sound like if they were made in different eras, but that's about it.

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Minor correction, but it really isn't falsetto other than for about 10-15% of that section. He actually sings it in his mixed voice on the album track. Live, he has been leaning more towards falsetto because it is much more difficult to control your mixed voice in that setting.

 

As far as Billie's shift in the appearance of his pitch (sounding like it has more depth back in 04), this really is due to him working on finding proper vocal placement to be able to not only hit the notes, but also stay on pitch. If he has been working with a vocal coach (or even if he just remembers a lot of what he learned doing AI on Bway), I can assure you that he is adjusting his vocal placement so that he doesn't blow out his voice. As somebody that does a good amount of musical theatre and has fronted bands, it isn't easy. The way I have had to shift my singing from only 5 years ago is pretty remarkable. If something is painful or you are having to strain, you are doing it wrong or it is simply out of your current range. It really is that easy. Fixing it, on the other hand, not so easy and takes work. I am amazed at how good Billie still sounds live (and I saw them at the Thursday Freemont CC show as well as WWWY). The work he has put in/is putting in is definitely working. Yes, he sounds different than he did 20 years ago. He's 20 years older. That shit happens. I can tell you that 75% of the acts at WWWY wish they could still sing their old music the way Billie can rock out GD's catalogue. 

[ekim]

  On 10/30/2023 at 6:50 PM, devilskind92 said:

I don't like how they basically replaced the amazing falsetto part with regular singing, completely butchering what is my favorite part of the song. And I'm not into the fact that someone took their work, modified it with AI, and now some people are saying this is better than what the band is putting out for real. Kinda lame if ya ask me.

It is cool only as an exercise of imagining what some songs would sound like if they were made in different eras, but that's about it.

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Yeah I like billie's vocals as is they wanna fix something try songs from father of all that's the album that could use some pitch correctness billie's falsetto sounds awesome on American dream 

[devilskind92]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:07 PM, DonaldTrump said:

I bet you‘re fun at parties haha 

come on, i was just fangirling about his deep vocals 

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lol Fair enough, his vocals in the 2000s were amazing indeed, can't top that

I just felt icky about the use of AI

  On 10/30/2023 at 8:37 PM, Ryan said:

Minor correction, but it really isn't falsetto other than for about 10-15% of that section. He actually sings it in his mixed voice on the album track. Live, he has been leaning more towards falsetto because it is much more difficult to control your mixed voice in that setting.

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True, but... I mean, that's still "the falsetto part" of the song haha

[Montclare]

I've always been impressed with how good Billie still sounds.  Different than he sounded when he was 22, sure, but A. he's older and B. he's singing different parts now, for lack of a better term.  Even someone younger like Matt Bellamy has had his vocals go downward faster than Billie has.  And then look at someone like Stevie Nicks, who totally blew her voice out in only a few years, both due to daily singing and substances.

Billie's also had a couple of vocal changes, one from Warning to AI when he started sounding less congested, and then AI to 21CB when his voice got higher.  All of which works.

[dallasthemenace]

Hot Topic preorder is finally live, for those wanting that particular variant...

 

 

[Annie, get your gun]

  On 10/30/2023 at 2:26 AM, That Dude said:

You never know how Fancy Sauce could sound.   Fancy Sauce could be a chilling memory of a last moment with a loved one or something crazy like that.    It might not be a joke song.  They might not say the title at all.   

 

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I hope so. I always expect the best from Green Day  

  On 10/30/2023 at 3:17 AM, AlienVisitor said:

I am pretty sure there's a song each written by Tre and Mike on the album...

Remember this is an album about their 30+ years and they've thrown everything in about their journey together.

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That would be wonderful. And even sing a bit. 

  On 10/30/2023 at 6:43 PM, DookieLukie said:

I miss his deep AI voice, too.

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Oh, this ^ ^ ^ me too

[billy1986]

I love all eras but f Billie’s vocal tone but my favorite sounding era of s Insomniac era so angry so raw that’s my favorite Billie sound