New Song 1981

[Insomniac90]

5 hours ago, Sheenius said:

Blink’s momentum is strictly on the fact that this is temporary. They’re still horrible live and let’s be honest Edging is a horrible song.

I’d rather be Green Day right now. They have been consistent over a longer span of time. 
 

Even with Blink’s highs, they still never reached the heights of Green Day during Dookie, AI or even 21cb for that matter. Green Day has a much wider fan base and appeals to a wider demographic. 
 

Good for Blink to have this moment but they’re average songwriters at best (they have a few good ones, a lot of average and a bunch of bad ones), theyre below average live and as I said before it’s temporary. Tom isn’t going to hang out there for long. He’ll want to go off and do his thing. And Travis probably needs to shoot the next season of the crackdashians or something.

For me personally I liked their older stuff a lot and Mark in general, but yeah Tom sounds really horrible live. Tbf they have a big fan base but they have more „casuals“ than Green Day. Their success depends on the region. Green Day are a bigger Name in EU. I can‘t see blink to fill a stadium or something like Hella Mega instead of Green Day. Sure both had their peak years ago but thats for rock genres in general. 

I‘ll give them 3-4 years until Tom‘s leaving again or Mark kicks him out of the band 😂

[Lenny]

19 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

I mean GD is definitely the much better band imo but blink have been commercially more successful since 2016. California performed better than RevRad, even if its fanbase was mixed on the album and the introduction of Skiba. FOAMF and Blink's album Nine were both not commercially successful albums but FOAMF seemed to be a bigger commercial and critical failure than Nine. And due to Tom's return and the release of Edging and their upcoming album, they're almost definitely going to continue to have more commercial success than Green Day whenever they announce their new album.

I don't even like Edging and I much prefer Green Day but I think that's definitely going to be the case, even if I end up preferring the next GD album over the blink album. I still don't see them delaying the album because of blink though. I don't think either album is going to be hugely successful anyway, both bands are long passed their commercial peak imo. Of course I'm happy to be proved wrong

But Blink is literally riding off of a cancer diagnosis, pent up demand for Tom and Kardashian shit. It’s not really based off their music or releases or any career spanning longevity. GD has sustained huge organic growth and Blink’s success has been a pattern of higher volatility.

Green Day from 2016-present are still playing much bigger shows. Sure maybe Foamf was a “critical failure” but they get paid from tours, albums don’t sell anymore. Tours are driven by back catalogs and Green Day’s will sell for more than Blink’s any day. Green Day achieved success outside alt-rock stations in the 2000s and Blink didn’t.
 

Not that Blink hasn’t been massively successful because they have been. They’re the band closest to Green Day’s success. But even Fat Mike has said it directly “who’s the one band who capitalized the most off punk rock? Without a doubt it’s Green Day”. There’s no comparison. After GD’s AI tour hit England in 2005 there has been no competition.

 

19 hours ago, Insomniac90 said:

For me personally I liked their older stuff a lot and Mark in general, but yeah Tom sounds really horrible live. Tbf they have a big fan base but they have more „casuals“ than Green Day. Their success depends on the region. Green Day are a bigger Name in EU. I can‘t see blink to fill a stadium or something like Hella Mega instead of Green Day. Sure both had their peak years ago but thats for rock genres in general. 

I‘ll give them 3-4 years until Tom‘s leaving again or Mark kicks him out of the band 😂

Blink didnt really achieve the success in England that GD did. 
 

Even if atm GD is less popular than Blink (I still doubt it) in the USA, GD is much more popular worldwide. 
 

Mark reached out to GD to open up for them on Hella Mega. Blink knows it’s true as well.

[Insomniac90]

18 hours ago, Sheenius said:

But Blink is literally riding off of a cancer diagnosis, pent up demand for Tom and Kardashian shit. It’s not really based off their music or releases or any career spanning longevity. GD has sustained huge organic growth and Blink’s success has been a pattern of higher volatility.

Green Day from 2016-present are still playing much bigger shows. Sure maybe Foamf was a “critical failure” but they get paid from tours, albums don’t sell anymore. Tours are driven by back catalogs and Green Day’s will sell for more than Blink’s any day. Green Day achieved success outside alt-rock stations in the 2000s and Blink didn’t.
 

Not that Blink hasn’t been massively successful because they have been. They’re the band closest to Green Day’s success. But even Fat Mike has said it directly “who’s the one band who capitalized the most off punk rock? Without a doubt it’s Green Day”. There’s no comparison. After GD’s AI tour hit England in 2005 there has been no competition.

 

Blink didnt really achieve the success in England that GD did. 
 

Even if atm GD is less popular than Blink (I still doubt it) in the USA, GD is much more popular worldwide. 
 

Mark reached out to GD to open up for them on Hella Mega. Blink knows it’s true as well.

Blink wanted to open for GD? Hope they still wanna do it for their upcoming tour 😂

[Mato]

19 hours ago, Sheenius said:

Mark reached out to GD to open up for them on Hella Mega. Blink knows it’s true as well.

Do we have a proof for this? 

[Lenny]

2 hours ago, Mato said:

Do we have a proof for this? 

Yeah Mark said this on twitch 

[Hammie Stein]

I dont recall the context being Hella Mega though. To my understanding, He just mentioned they approached Green Day to tour again and Green Day said no.

[Lenny]

2 minutes ago, Hammie Stein said:

I dont recall the context being Hella Mega though. To my understanding, He just mentioned they approached Green Day to tour again and Green Day said no.

The tour at the time was Hella Mega tour. They were most likely aware they were doing something similar to Pop Disaster again and were interested. 
 

Returning back to the age-old GD vs Blink debate we have all omitted one of the biggest facts. GD has a ton more number 1 hits on alternative radio. They are up there with Foo Fighters and RHCP for most all-time. Blink’s not in that discussion. 

[DookieLukie]

Blink has managed to sell more records recently (somehow), but that’s really where the argument ends. Green Day has always been more popular.

[Lenny]

11 hours ago, DookieLukie said:

Blink has managed to sell more records recently (somehow), but that’s really where the argument ends. Green Day has always been more popular.

Like over the last few quarters or in regards to the last few releases?

sales across the industry are so piss-poor it makes no difference really. Green Day’s lifetime sales are significantly higher.

[Christian's Inferno!]

8 hours ago, Sheenius said:

Like over the last few quarters or in regards to the last few releases?

sales across the industry are so piss-poor it makes no difference really. Green Day’s lifetime sales are significantly higher.

California and Nine respectively have performed much better than Revolution Radio and Father of All, not just in sales but in streaming numbers too

Revolution Radio had first week sales of 95,000 (90,000 from pure album sales)
California had first week sales of 186,000 (172,000 from pure album sales)

Father of All had first week sales of 48,000 units (42,000 from pure album sales)
Nine had first week sales of 94,000 units (77,000 pure album sales)

California has total spotify streams of 671.2 million (only including the standard version of the album), with the most streams coming from Bored to Death (153m) and She's Out of Her Mind (125m)
Revolution Radio has total of 400.7 million, with the most streams coming from Still Breathing (102m) and Bang Bang (83m)

Nine has streams of 314.4 million, with I Really Wish I Hated You (59m) and Darkside (55m) being the strongest streamers
Father of All has streams of 139 million, with the title track (37m) and Oh Yeah (33m) being the strongest performers

Bang Bang's music and lyric videos total 33 million views on YouTube
Still Breathing totals 48 million views

Bored to Death totals 51 million views
She's Out of Her Mind totals 33 million views too

Father of All music video has 10 million views
Oh Yeah has 7.3 million

I Really Wish I Hated You lyric video only has 7.4 million views
But Darkside has 20 million views

Regardless of how poor sales or streams are for rock bands now, blink's newest albums have been performing better than Green Day's in pretty much every aspect. Sales, streams, singles

Nobody's making the argument that blink has been more successful in their lifetime than Green Day has but since 2016, yeah their albums have performed better and I don't even think there's an argument to be had here. Father of All on streaming has performed basically as bad as an album from a rock band of Green Day's size can. Nobody is listening to that album anymore. People are listening to Uno more than Father of All, even though that was an unsuccessful album from over a decade ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Dos and Tré end up outperforming FOAM

[Flashback]

Was Uno really a flop? The album sold over a million copies. That's not that bad.

[Christian's Inferno!]

4 minutes ago, Flashback said:

Was Uno really a flop? The album sold over a million copies. That's not that bad.

In 2012, yeah it would've been a flop for Green Day. Albums sold way more back then and Green Day were still at a high point in their career in 2009 with 21CB and 21 Guns. So yeah, Uno would've been a flop following 21CB. Oh Love was a pretty big hit for them for a little while but it didn't last long and the album gets far less streams now than anything they released from 1994-2009

I'm not sure where you're getting that 1 million copies figures but I assume that's 1 million copies worldwide, right? Whereas 21CB sold over 1 million copies just in the US and 4 million worldwide. While Uno sold 139,000 copies in its first week, 21CB sold 215,000 copies in its first 3 days, and an additional 166,000 copies in the following 7 days

[KGLWW]

1 hour ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

Father of All on streaming has performed basically as bad as an album from a rock band of Green Day's size can

This is really not true. Lots of bands around the same size or close have songs with fewer listens than the title track of Father of All. Foo Fighters, QOTSA, Smashing Pumpkins, Incubus, The Who to name some. There are more if you go really far back to albums that followed more popular albums. Father of All was just trying to sound un-like Green Day. It wasn't meant to be super popular or indicative of their best work. Revolution Radio's singles did better and that was more in-line with what the band normally sounds like. I personally like Father of All better than the trilogy. The trilogy has some good songs, but they are some really awful sounding recordings.

[Lenny]

1 hour ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

In 2012, yeah it would've been a flop for Green Day. Albums sold way more back then and Green Day were still at a high point in their career in 2009 with 21CB and 21 Guns. So yeah, Uno would've been a flop following 21CB. Oh Love was a pretty big hit for them for a little while but it didn't last long and the album gets far less streams now than anything they released from 1994-2009

I'm not sure where you're getting that 1 million copies figures but I assume that's 1 million copies worldwide, right? Whereas 21CB sold over 1 million copies just in the US and 4 million worldwide. While Uno sold 139,000 copies in its first week, 21CB sold 215,000 copies in its first 3 days, and an additional 166,000 copies in the following 7 days

2011-2012 was pretty much the breaking point for album sales. There were still some sales happening but the industry was seeing massive declines year after year around this time. The other major breaking point was around the time AI was released. 
 

Downloading was one reason and the beginning of streaming being the other.

[Christian's Inferno!]

2 minutes ago, Van Weezer Guitar Hero said:

This is really not true. Lots of bands around the same size or close have songs with fewer listens than the title track of Father of All. Foo Fighters, QOTSA, Smashing Pumpkins, Incubus, The Who to name some. There are more if you go really far back to albums that followed more popular albums. Father of All was just trying to sound un-like Green Day. It wasn't meant to be super popular or indicative of their best work. Revolution Radio's singles did better and that was more in-line with what the band normally sounds like. I personally like Father of All better than the trilogy. The trilogy has some good songs, but they are some really awful sounding recordings.

Tbf I'm mostly talking about albums from bands around the same size as Green Day who released albums around the same time as FOAMF (2019-2021). It's hard to compare FOAMF to an album released in 2023 because FOAMF has had more time to accumulate streams than say Foo Fighter's or QOTSA's most recent albums. Considering when FOAMF was released and how bad the streaming numbers on spotify are, I can't think of any album from that time that has performed as bad overall

The closest I can think of is Medicine At Midnight by Foo Fighters. When you look at the spotify numbers for the songs on that album, yes the singles perform similarly, maybe even worse in some cases. Waiting on a War is the highest streamed track at 37 million, just like the title track off FOAMF. The 2nd most streamed track is Shame Shame which is at 30 million, which is actually lower than Oh Yeah. So based on that, you might think FOAMF could be the better performing album, right?

But then you look at the lesser singles or the non-single tracks and realise all of the non-single FOAMF tracks range from 5-7 million streams whereas the non-single tracks from Medicine At Midnight range from 7-10 million streams. The lesser performing singles from FOAMF (Fire Ready Aim and Meet Me on the Roof) are at 22 million and 11 million respectively while MAM's comparative tracks Making A Fire and No Son of Mine are at 24 and 21 million streams

[Lenny]

6 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

California and Nine respectively have performed much better than Revolution Radio and Father of All, not just in sales but in streaming numbers too

Revolution Radio had first week sales of 95,000 (90,000 from pure album sales)
California had first week sales of 186,000 (172,000 from pure album sales)

Father of All had first week sales of 48,000 units (42,000 from pure album sales)
Nine had first week sales of 94,000 units (77,000 pure album sales)

California has total spotify streams of 671.2 million (only including the standard version of the album), with the most streams coming from Bored to Death (153m) and She's Out of Her Mind (125m)
Revolution Radio has total of 400.7 million, with the most streams coming from Still Breathing (102m) and Bang Bang (83m)

Nine has streams of 314.4 million, with I Really Wish I Hated You (59m) and Darkside (55m) being the strongest streamers
Father of All has streams of 139 million, with the title track (37m) and Oh Yeah (33m) being the strongest performers

Bang Bang's music and lyric videos total 33 million views on YouTube
Still Breathing totals 48 million views

Bored to Death totals 51 million views
She's Out of Her Mind totals 33 million views too

Father of All music video has 10 million views
Oh Yeah has 7.3 million

I Really Wish I Hated You lyric video only has 7.4 million views
But Darkside has 20 million views

Regardless of how poor sales or streams are for rock bands now, blink's newest albums have been performing better than Green Day's in pretty much every aspect. Sales, streams, singles

Nobody's making the argument that blink has been more successful in their lifetime than Green Day has but since 2016, yeah their albums have performed better and I don't even think there's an argument to be had here. Father of All on streaming has performed basically as bad as an album from a rock band of Green Day's size can. Nobody is listening to that album anymore. People are listening to Uno more than Father of All, even though that was an unsuccessful album from over a decade ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Dos and Tré end up outperforming FOAM

Despite those numbers I’ve heard more new Green Day songs on alt radio than Blink’s with the exception of Blame it on my youth which got into the rotation just as much.

Even Edging is very weak in the rotation tbh. Atleast here where I am. Oh Yeah had more consistent plays even.

The margins you shared are also slim. Foamf was a covid record with limited promotion. 
 

I think both bands will see a boost in numbers with their upcoming albums. Green Day is taking their time which will increase demand. It feels like we havent had anything in 10 years so if they come out with songs with a decent tempo they will get a solid response again. 
 

there will always be trends, peaks and valleys but long-term theres no competition. Billie will always be a better songwriter than Mark and Tom, GD is a tighter live band and Green Day stirs it up more publicly. 
 

Blink is gimmicky, they’re pro reality television (hey Mark how was your tv show!?!) and Travis Kardashian gets them a lot of casual attention. With all this attention, fame and fortune theyre not even considered for any honors. Blink has a single Grammy nomination, Green Day had more than 1 in their first year of being eligible. 
 

From an industry standpoint Green Day stands among the legends as a serious group that contributed to a generational counter culture shift. Blink is another pop punk band that’s come and gone on repeat several times. Even Tim Armstrong has more grammies than them as a band and he never got that commercial success they had. I’m sure Travis probably has a few though in his other projects though.

[KGLWW]

4 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

Tbf I'm mostly talking about albums from bands around the same size as Green Day who released albums around the same time as FOAMF (2019-2021). It's hard to compare FOAMF to an album released in 2023 because FOAMF has had more time to accumulate streams than say Foo Fighter's or QOTSA's most recent albums. Considering when FOAMF was released and how bad the streaming numbers on spotify are, I can't think of any album from that time that has performed as bad overall

The closest I can think of is Medicine At Midnight by Foo Fighters. When you look at the spotify numbers for the songs on that album, yes the singles perform similarly, maybe even worse in some cases. Waiting on a War is the highest streamed track at 37 million, just like the title track off FOAMF. The 2nd most streamed track is Shame Shame which is at 30 million, which is actually lower than Oh Yeah. So based on that, you might think FOAMF could be the better performing album, right?

But then you look at the lesser singles or the non-single tracks and realise all of the non-single FOAMF tracks range from 5-7 million streams whereas the non-single tracks from Medicine At Midnight range from 7-10 million streams. The lesser performing singles from FOAMF (Fire Ready Aim and Meet Me on the Roof) are at 22 million and 11 million respectively while MAM's comparative tracks Making A Fire and No Son of Mine are at 24 and 21 million streams

I’d be surprised if QOTSA got that far with their latest album, but the newest Foo Fighters could. All of those bands have been almost as big a band times, definitely not for as long, but idk, I don’t get why people put much stock into popularity. It doesn’t automatically make something worth listening to. Green Day still has a lot fans, but as big as they are they also have causal fans as well

[aahhhh]

17 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

California and Nine respectively have performed much better than Revolution Radio and Father of All, not just in sales but in streaming numbers too

Revolution Radio had first week sales of 95,000 (90,000 from pure album sales)
California had first week sales of 186,000 (172,000 from pure album sales)

Father of All had first week sales of 48,000 units (42,000 from pure album sales)
Nine had first week sales of 94,000 units (77,000 pure album sales)

California has total spotify streams of 671.2 million (only including the standard version of the album), with the most streams coming from Bored to Death (153m) and She's Out of Her Mind (125m)
Revolution Radio has total of 400.7 million, with the most streams coming from Still Breathing (102m) and Bang Bang (83m)

Nine has streams of 314.4 million, with I Really Wish I Hated You (59m) and Darkside (55m) being the strongest streamers
Father of All has streams of 139 million, with the title track (37m) and Oh Yeah (33m) being the strongest performers

Bang Bang's music and lyric videos total 33 million views on YouTube
Still Breathing totals 48 million views

Bored to Death totals 51 million views
She's Out of Her Mind totals 33 million views too

Father of All music video has 10 million views
Oh Yeah has 7.3 million

I Really Wish I Hated You lyric video only has 7.4 million views
But Darkside has 20 million views

Regardless of how poor sales or streams are for rock bands now, blink's newest albums have been performing better than Green Day's in pretty much every aspect. Sales, streams, singles

Nobody's making the argument that blink has been more successful in their lifetime than Green Day has but since 2016, yeah their albums have performed better and I don't even think there's an argument to be had here. Father of All on streaming has performed basically as bad as an album from a rock band of Green Day's size can. Nobody is listening to that album anymore. People are listening to Uno more than Father of All, even though that was an unsuccessful album from over a decade ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Dos and Tré end up outperforming FOAM

Pretty interesting. It always felt like blink did exceptionally well with streaming. California and Nine don't even feature the "classic" blink lineup and they put up strong numbers. There was never a proper tour for Nine, so it's not surprising it's so much lower than California, which had a bunch of touring and a deluxe edition. blink feels more actively in the news than GD these days, and has been since the RR/California releases. blink has done a bunch of collaborations with rap/pop artists, Travis Barker has a lot of mainstream popularity (Kardashians and beyond), and the changing line-up, cancer recovery, alien stuff, and reunion have all gotten a lot of specific attention. GD is less in the public eye when they're not promoting music or touring.

I checked a couple months ago and Green Day's overall monthly Spotify streams were higher than blink's, even while they were actively on their reunion tour. Overall, I think blink fans skew a little younger and more casual than Green Day fans

[Insomniac90]

And don‘t forget the pandemic. FOAM came 1-2 months before it all started and sales say nothing. Spotify shows streams but I‘m using Apple Music (during the release of FOAM Amazon Music) and these two apps aren‘t that transparent in number of streams

[petros]

21 hours ago, Sheenius said:

Despite those numbers I’ve heard more new Green Day songs........

"Despite all the facts you presented I go by my personal bias and judge a band from that."

As a huge fan of both bands and being a member on both bands biggest forums I have to say it's the worst when green day fans talk about blink and vise versa. I really don't get why but both fan bases seem to be super snob and arrogant when to comes to talking about the other band. 

Blink fans say that Green Day are an emo band with eye liner that sold out and Green Day fans say that blink is a sell out pop pand that are terrible musicians and all their songs are basically like all the small things. Both opinions wrong and stupid. 

[GuitarPunk94]

2 minutes ago, petros said:

"Despite all the facts you presented I go by my personal bias and judge a band from that."

As a huge fan of both bands and being a member on both bands biggest forums I have to say it's the worst when green day fans talk about blink and vise versa. I really don't get why but both fan bases seem to be super snob and arrogant when to comes to talking about the other band. 

Blink fans say that Green Day are an emo band with eye liner that sold out and Green Day fans say that blink is a sell out pop pand that are terrible musicians and all their songs are basically like all the small things. Both opinions wrong and stupid. 

appreciate your love for both bands

both blink and greenday are probably my fav bands out of all bands in the music world

and even if there are "bad" "terrible" written songs (talking about both bands) you cant say that blink are terrible musicians, i am a musician (for the most part i play guitar), and if you get behind blinks songwritting, its really outstanding

anyways, cant wait for new music of both of them (feels like 90s/early '00s again lol), cant wait to see them live again (hopefully), and cant wait to play the new songs on my guitar

and i hope everything is alright with travis/his family atm

[That Dude]

Somebody do an AI song of Blink-182 doing 1981.  With Mark, Tom AND Matt on vocals! Heck, make Travis sing.  I love and am obsessed with both bands.  The only difference is Blink have a few duds on Neighborhoods while Green Day only have one dud named Haushinka.   

Green Day #1 (tied with all side projects)

Blink-182 #9 (with 2 side projects in my top 10 as well)

 

 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

Why can't we just love both bands and shut up?

[Christian's Inferno!]

1 hour ago, That Dude said:

Somebody do an AI song of Blink-182 doing 1981.  With Mark, Tom AND Matt on vocals! Heck, make Travis sing.  I love and am obsessed with both bands.  The only difference is Blink have a few duds on Neighborhoods while Green Day only have one dud named Haushinka.   

Green Day #1 (tied with all side projects)

Blink-182 #9 (with 2 side projects in my top 10 as well)

 

 

This girl has flown far away
This girl has flown far away
This girl has flown far away
This girl has flown far away
Now she's gone, now she's gone, now she's all gone

[That Dude]

2 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

This girl has flown far away
This girl has flown far away
This girl has flown far away
This girl has flown far away
Now she's gone, now she's gone, now she's all gone

Mods, quoting Haushinka in a positive light should result in a 20 year ban.

It'll go so fast.  😉

Wake me when here comes the shock or whatever.