New Song 1981

[Lenny]

58 minutes ago, petros said:

Wtf are you staying you don't even know how old I am and that's not even true.

It's not about triggering anyone. The way you disregarded blink as if they are a shitty band that cannot even play their own instruments and then trying to justify it by using the fact that you play music is what I judged you on. I'm not going to sit here and write paragraphs explaining to you why a band as massive and successful as blink is important.

You missed the point on the first one. The dismissive attitude doesn’t fly with people. Your response proves exactly what I was exercising there.

I mentioned many times that Blink was successful and even gave compliments where they were due and gave the criticisms from my point of view. Which happens to be different from yours. It’s really no big deal thats why some people bought their records and others didn’t. I was a fan of Blink before and they’re one of the few bands that dropped off for me, I just never felt like they grew with me. It happened as well with a few hardcore punk bands I listened to later on as well. I grew as a person and some of those bands were too simplistic or no longer were relevant to my pov.

I think the big thing here is “what I judged you on”. You’re focused on judging a person for sharing their experience and point of view rather than listening to another point of view regardless of how agreeable it is with yours. Then you questioned my integrity on top of that. The last time I performed with another musician it was with a Juno award winner. I am no longer in the pro arena for music but that’s an accomplishment others can’t say they have. It was a great humbling experience and I learned a lot. To top it all off they were a hero of mine when I was a kid. It’s like the equivalent of jamming with Billie Joe or Robert Smith or something. So whether you question it or not you can never take away those experiences from me. I’ve had high level conversations with loads of successful rockstars and musicians. My producer has an album that sold as much as American Idiot. My experiences are very real. My opinions are based on experiences, my personal tastes and technical knowledge, they’re not a chinese government legislation.
 

Look at my response to @WhiteTim earlier in the thread. He said he wasn’t even listening to the genre at that time. I asked what he was listening to. It was completely different than my experience but I didn’t slag him off for it, I used it as an opportunity to gain more insight on his experience. It may open me up to something new or something I skipped during that timeframe or it may have no impact at all. But its something different and if you look at a band like Rush as an example, their music and their success is very much based off of having an open mind and different perspective and a willingness to be wrong and learn. 

 

I want to also add another shoutout to @Christian's Inferno! as well.

Whether we agree or disagree on certain things I feel like you’re always ready to discuss Green Day in huge detail and I appreciate that.

When I chat about this band and the environment that surrounds them I want to feel the same fiery passion get thrown back at me whether it’s my bias or not. 

I’m probably the most misunderstood person on this forum to be honest. I just like discussing the topics more than anything and maybe breaking things down into details that would be deemed as unhealthy by a casual fan.

[petros]

3 hours ago, Sheenius said:

The last time I performed with another musician it was with a Juno award winner. I am no longer in the pro arena for music but that’s an accomplishment others can’t say they have. It was a great humbling experience and I learned a lot. To top it all off they were a hero of mine when I was a kid. It’s like the equivalent of jamming with Billie Joe or Robert Smith or something. So whether you question it or not you can never take away those experiences from me. I’ve had high level conversations with loads of successful rockstars and musicians. My producer has an album that sold as much as American Idiot

Thanks, didn't ask.

[Lenny]

56 minutes ago, petros said:

Thanks, didn't ask.

You did though, but honestly if you’re gonna have that attitude about things then fuck it.

 

[petros]

9 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

You did though, but honestly if you’re gonna have that attitude about things then fuck it.

 

I never questioned the fact that you know things or if you are good at what you do. I actually look up to people that create any short of art, let alone if you've worked with people that high up.

What I criticized is how you always believe that mentioning it validates your opinion over others and thus made a sarcastic comment about it and didn't go into actually continuing the conversation.

[Lenny]

1 hour ago, petros said:

I never questioned the fact that you know things or if you are good at what you do. I actually look up to people that create any short of art, let alone if you've worked with people that high up.

What I criticized is how you always believe that mentioning it validates your opinion over others and thus made a sarcastic comment about it and didn't go into actually continuing the conversation.

You’re making an assumption that I believe it validates my opinion. Everything I’ve said to follow up contradicts your assumption. I can understand what leads to that assumption but I’ve shown enough in my follow ups that this is not where I am coming from or getting at.

I’m not here to share my art I’m here to celebrate Green Day’s art and as I’ve said I’ve moved on past that career. If there’s ever a time where I want to share my art I will be sure to do so with the forum. Right now I’m taking care of my daughter and passing music down to a new generation. It’s all about what she can do with it from here. Despite the successes I’ve had, if I can pass the torch that will be my biggest feat musically.

I worked with people that high up but I wasn’t that high up myself, we were there but we werent in a way. Locally we splashed in the punk scene and I was technically good but it’s a tough profession to crack, especially in a band with different personalities and other people’s volatilities. When another person’s ego disrupted one of my major chances to turn my love into a viable career I chose to work on my own and close the door to record labels, much music, to high profile producers and to a wider audience. It became a more personal therapy as I became successful in my new career path. 
 

You don’t have to agree or value my opinion in anyway. There’s really no value in ridiculing it or trying to minimize me or my experiences. 
 

And regardless of my response to whatever this is, I’m proud I’ve hit every single one with a valid, educated and full response. Nothing cheesy, gimmicky and nothing that is rejectionist.  


 

 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

C'mon guys let's get back to the topic please.
I've been a mod on April 1st so I know how to run this site and keeping everyone back on track.

[Lenny]

30 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

C'mon guys let's get back to the topic please.
I've been a mod on April 1st so I know how to run this site and keeping everyone back on track.

I literally have done my best with derailing the whole situation.

ill take it from here, I have to say that the new song has been catchy and stuck in my head for a while.

I love the energy of it and I really love the verses. It’s more of what I expect from Green Day.

but why 1981? I just feel like this could potentially date them when it comes to newer generations and audiences. Maybe I’m overthinking it? I guess with the last few efforts we tend to go to the negative instantly when thinking of their new music. 

[Khaleesi.]

Enough. Talk about the song or go away. 

[GDFan2019]

2 hours ago, Khaleesi. said:

Enough. Talk about the song or go away. 

After Dookie comes out, do you think we're getting the new single next month? And do you think it will be 1981?

[Lenny]

45 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said:

After Dookie comes out, do you think we're getting the new single next month? And do you think it will be 1981?

I think it’s a 50/50 with 1981 just because that live debut was just off. Not sure if that derailed them or maybe they’ll come back with an actual good performance of it.

As for next month I feel like thats too soon. All we know is it’s a 2024 release. Could be fall 2024 and honestly that probably means a single next summer.

[GDFan2019]

20 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

I think it’s a 50/50 with 1981 just because that live debut was just off. Not sure if that derailed them or maybe they’ll come back with an actual good performance of it.

As for next month I feel like thats too soon. All we know is it’s a 2024 release. Could be fall 2024 and honestly that probably means a single next summer.

Billie was actually having earpiece problems throughout the show

[Little Boy Named Booze]

20 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said:

Billie was actually having earpiece problems throughout the show

Yes he was. Forgot some lyrics too. I'm repeating myself but I can't believe I was there.

1981 will be the first single in October.

[DookieLukie]

43 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

1981 will be the first single in October.

Evidence?

 

If true, very sad since it was a boring song and also won’t be fresh and new since we’ve had it for months now.

[pcj]

3 hours ago, Sheenius said:

I think it’s a 50/50 with 1981 just because that live debut was just off. Not sure if that derailed them or maybe they’ll come back with an actual good performance of it.

As for next month I feel like thats too soon. All we know is it’s a 2024 release. Could be fall 2024 and honestly that probably means a single next summer.

Excuse my ignorance, but I vaguely remember reading about how it all works on stage which I find fascinating. From what you've said with your own stage experience you will be able to correct me. 

I think the article said that there's so much distraction on stage, plus noise of crowd, that the earpiece in Billie Joe's ear keeps him in contact with his own voice and other band members instruments ? Making sure your in right key and tempo?

So when it failed, he lost contact with everything, so it must be so easy to get lost as to where you are. But like a true professional, Billie Joe carried on knowing exactly where he should be when the  technology worked again.

As well as playing his guitar, Billie Joe is singing, reacting and talking to the crowd whilst listening to the device in his ear. Nice one Billie Joe.

When he walked away on stage after the song, I could imagine he was well pissed off. You've worked on sharing a brand new song with everyone, and it gets fucked up thanks to the shortcomings of technology. Still I bet they had a laugh about it later. That's live music for yer.. Bet it'll be perfect next time 

[GDFan2019]

6 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

Yes he was. Forgot some lyrics too. I'm repeating myself but I can't believe I was there.

1981 will be the first single in October.

Could’ve also been nerves too, playing the song live for the first time

[Lenny]

3 hours ago, pcj said:

Excuse my ignorance, but I vaguely remember reading about how it all works on stage which I find fascinating. From what you've said with your own stage experience you will be able to correct me. 

I think the article said that there's so much distraction on stage, plus noise of crowd, that the earpiece in Billie Joe's ear keeps him in contact with his own voice and other band members instruments ? Making sure your in right key and tempo?

So when it failed, he lost contact with everything, so it must be so easy to get lost as to where you are. But like a true professional, Billie Joe carried on knowing exactly where he should be when the  technology worked again.

As well as playing his guitar, Billie Joe is singing, reacting and talking to the crowd whilst listening to the device in his ear. Nice one Billie Joe.

When he walked away on stage after the song, I could imagine he was well pissed off. You've worked on sharing a brand new song with everyone, and it gets fucked up thanks to the shortcomings of technology. Still I bet they had a laugh about it later. That's live music for yer.. Bet it'll be perfect next time 

I never used in-ear monitors (this may have been a huge mistake of mine) but yes thats correct it helps them to hear but also at the same time protects their ears from the environment noise from the stage. My right ear wasn’t doing well for a better part of 15 years. 
 

I played a show where I couldn’t hear very well and it was god awful. I had to sing over distorted guitars, drums and bass without hearing my voice. It was probably our worst show but I was lucky enough to atleast have sounded good. The sound-man on the show just wasn’t the best to be honest. Listening back from the crowd’s perspective he could have done a better job out there too.

 

Billie and the band were definitely pissed. Nothing is more frustrating than that. 
 

Someone also mentioned Billie was forgetting lyrics and that does happen especially with new songs. I would just make them up as I went along LOL

[Lenny]

1 hour ago, GDFan2019 said:

Could’ve also been nerves too, playing the song live for the first time

Completely possible but I don’t think its that.

Combination of tech issues and of course the level of familiarity.

I always found when playing live if there was any mistake (and yes they do happen at all levels) it was usually on new songs. Your crew or sound people never performed their duties for that specific song before, you need to remember new (and possibly ever changing) lyrics and you don’t really know yet how it comes across to the audience. 
 

Adding in technical issues with that just makes it feel like a doomed moment. What really sucks is that as music fans, musicians and just in general people who dive deeper into the band, we understand what happened but most people won’t. It will just be a “that song sucked” moment rather than “I want to hear this song properly”.

 

 

7 hours ago, DookieLukie said:

Evidence?

 

If true, very sad since it was a boring song and also won’t be fresh and new since we’ve had it for months now.

I’m waiting for a legit studio version before my official judgement. I personally see some potential for the song. 
 

I cant wait to see what CLA did with these songs. A really great guitar tone could make this song pop. And of course just basing this off the last record, we need someone to EQ Billie’s voice properly. 
 

Butch Walker seemed to get that “band in a box” type sound which doesn’t work with this band at all. We need larger than life guitars with good tone. We need Tre’s great drum sound back. I would also like the band on backing vocals again, not just Billie on multiple tracks. I dont mind if he’s in the backing vocal track along with the others but not solo.

[GDFan2019]

11 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

Completely possible but I don’t think its that.

Combination of tech issues and of course the level of familiarity.

I always found when playing live if there was any mistake (and yes they do happen at all levels) it was usually on new songs. Your crew or sound people never performed their duties for that specific song before, you need to remember new (and possibly ever changing) lyrics and you don’t really know yet how it comes across to the audience. 
 

Adding in technical issues with that just makes it feel like a doomed moment. What really sucks is that as music fans, musicians and just in general people who dive deeper into the band, we understand what happened but most people won’t. It will just be a “that song sucked” moment rather than “I want to hear this song properly”.

 

 

I’m waiting for a legit studio version before my official judgement. I personally see some potential for the song. 
 

I cant wait to see what CLA did with these songs. A really great guitar tone could make this song pop. And of course just basing this off the last record, we need someone to EQ Billie’s voice properly. 
 

Butch Walker seemed to get that “band in a box” type sound which doesn’t work with this band at all. We need larger than life guitars with good tone. We need Tre’s great drum sound back. I would also like the band on backing vocals again, not just Billie on multiple tracks. I dont mind if he’s in the backing vocal track along with the others but not solo.

I mean, we already have an idea on how the studio version sounds, with this Instagram Story accidentally posted by Billie

 

[Flashback]

I am so stoked to hear the production of the new songs. I mean Green Day + Rob Cavallo + Chris Lord-Alge already sounded amazing 20 years ago. Now think about 20 years progress in their skills and their equipment and add that to the high level they already had 😍

[Lenny]

10 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said:

I mean, we already have an idea on how the studio version sounds, with this Instagram Story accidentally posted by Billie

 

Things could be changed before the official release. I’m not judging it off an insta story vid. I’m waiting for the official release.

6 minutes ago, Flashback said:

I am so stoked to hear the production of the new songs. I mean Green Day + Rob Cavallo + Chris Lord-Alge already sounded amazing 20 years ago. Now think about 20 years progress in their skills and their equipment and add that to the high level they already had 😍

And they know this band well so they know how to make them pop.

Not sure about the trilogy though. What happened there? I didn’t like the production at all. 

[Insomniac90]

1 hour ago, Sheenius said:

Things could be changed before the official release. I’m not judging it off an insta story vid. I’m waiting for the official release.

And they know this band well so they know how to make them pop.

Not sure about the trilogy though. What happened there? I didn’t like the production at all. 

To wait for the official release would be the best decision and to judge the new song live under these circumstances wouldn‘t be fair tbh. Who knows if its really gonna be end up as the first single, there were so much changes/delay for the whole record we can‘t even be sure to hear it as the lead single. And if so, we should give it a try. They have a lot of second/third/… singles that got more air playing (BOBD, 21 Guns, wake me up, still breathing, etc).

 

For the trilogy production I can imagine they ran out of time with the number of songs and unreleased material. But Idk I think it sounds much better than FOAM productionwise. I dont know but if you look at Offsprings latest release they took a lot of time and got a lot of great people working on it and it sounds terrible for that period of time 😂 Especially the first song (which was my favorite with Hassan Chop) you can‘t really listen to it because of the bad quality. Sounds like a leaked Napster version

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

1 hour ago, Sheenius said:

Not sure about the trilogy though. What happened there? I didn’t like the production at all. 

If my memory doesn’t fail me, what we gathered from both interviews and Cuatro is that the production process there was quite different. The band almost self produced those records, when the recording started Cavallo took the demos and probably acted a bit too much as a yes man doing some polishing but not really steering them in any direction. I remember a bit of Cuatro where Cavallo essentially say that the tracks where so good that he didn’t really have much to do. And well, maybe that was not necessarily true for all of them. Maybe he actually believed that, maybe it was a time/budget constraint due to the amount of songs. Who knows. 

I would definitely love to see a good music journalist that knows the band interviewing them about those days. I’m pretty sure if asked the right questions in the right way they would have many things to say about that era that we still only partially know. 

[Lenny]

45 minutes ago, HAPPY FINKING UNICORN said:

If my memory doesn’t fail me, what we gathered from both interviews and Cuatro is that the production process there was quite different. The band almost self produced those records, when the recording started Cavallo took the demos and probably acted a bit too much as a yes man doing some polishing but not really steering them in any direction. I remember a bit of Cuatro where Cavallo essentially say that the tracks where so good that he didn’t really have much to do. And well, maybe that was not necessarily true for all of them. Maybe he actually believed that, maybe it was a time/budget constraint due to the amount of songs. Who knows. 

I would definitely love to see a good music journalist that knows the band interviewing them about those days. I’m pretty sure if asked the right questions in the right way they would have many things to say about that era that we still only partially know. 

So basically we need to interview them

47 minutes ago, Insomniac90 said:

To wait for the official release would be the best decision and to judge the new song live under these circumstances wouldn‘t be fair tbh. Who knows if its really gonna be end up as the first single, there were so much changes/delay for the whole record we can‘t even be sure to hear it as the lead single. And if so, we should give it a try. They have a lot of second/third/… singles that got more air playing (BOBD, 21 Guns, wake me up, still breathing, etc).

 

For the trilogy production I can imagine they ran out of time with the number of songs and unreleased material. But Idk I think it sounds much better than FOAM productionwise. I dont know but if you look at Offsprings latest release they took a lot of time and got a lot of great people working on it and it sounds terrible for that period of time 😂 Especially the first song (which was my favorite with Hassan Chop) you can‘t really listen to it because of the bad quality. Sounds like a leaked Napster version

I dont know much about new offspring, was Bob Rock the producer for one of the newer ones?

[Christian's Inferno!]

3 hours ago, Sheenius said:

I would also like the band on backing vocals again, not just Billie on multiple tracks. I dont mind if he’s in the backing vocal track along with the others but not solo.

I think Mike is a great backing vocalist. However, I also think that the backing vocals can sound great with just Billie too.

21CB I think has the best backing vocals of any Green Day album and afaik that's mostly just Billie. Mike might be in there at points and I'm sure he's probably doing the "Hey"s and stuff (along with Tré maybe) but Billie sounds so good on those backing vocals throughout that entire album imo.

I definitely am not opposed to Mike and/or even Tré doing more backing vocals though. Mike has great backing vocals throughout their pre-AI days where his contributions were a lot more evident

[pacejunkie punk]

3 hours ago, HAPPY FINKING UNICORN said:

If my memory doesn’t fail me, what we gathered from both interviews and Cuatro is that the production process there was quite different. The band almost self produced those records, when the recording started Cavallo took the demos and probably acted a bit too much as a yes man doing some polishing but not really steering them in any direction. I remember a bit of Cuatro where Cavallo essentially say that the tracks where so good that he didn’t really have much to do. And well, maybe that was not necessarily true for all of them. Maybe he actually believed that, maybe it was a time/budget constraint due to the amount of songs. Who knows. 

I would definitely love to see a good music journalist that knows the band interviewing them about those days. I’m pretty sure if asked the right questions in the right way they would have many things to say about that era that we still only partially know. 

Also based on what they said in Cuatro, the band and Cavallo had been apart for a while and they referred to his return as “rekindling the friendship”. So he may have been treading lightly and just glad to be there to play a more supportive role rather than coming in heavy handed with a lot to say.  Billie had a definite idea of wanting a clean sound for these songs and he did his best to deliver that and not do too much.

2 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

I think Mike is a great backing vocalist. However, I also think that the backing vocals can sound great with just Billie too.

21CB I think has the best backing vocals of any Green Day album and afaik that's mostly just Billie. Mike might be in there at points and I'm sure he's probably doing the "Hey"s and stuff (along with Tré maybe) but Billie sounds so good on those backing vocals throughout that entire album imo.

I definitely am not opposed to Mike and/or even Tré doing more backing vocals though. Mike has great backing vocals throughout their pre-AI days where his contributions were a lot more evident

I like when Mike gets the occasional whole lines and verses to sing. Even backing vocals he gets lost in the mix these days. His voice is a nice counterpoint to Billie’s and suits certain character voices. It’s what I like so much about the Network, how their voices are balanced more and used to great effect on certain songs. Reminds me of what The Beatles would do, knowing which songs would suit which vocalist.