New Song 1981

[Gwen Stacy]

Of the many many strange twists and turns in the saga of @That Dude your hatred of Haushinka has got to take the cake. Of all the random Green Day songs to have a vendetta against. Were you bitten by someone named Haushinka as a child? Stole your girl? Burned down your house? 

[That Dude]

3 minutes ago, Gwen Stacy said:

Of the many many strange twists and turns in the saga of @That Dude your hatred of Haushinka has got to take the cake. Of all the random Green Day songs to have a vendetta against. Were you bitten by someone named Haushinka as a child? Stole your girl? Burned down your house? 

Wouldn't that be wild if the girl that broke Billie Joe's heart was actively ruining my life in 2023?    If she tries to mess with me, I'll just crank the song up, because it'll repel everything and everyone.    I don't know why it's my least favorite, it just doesn't feel like a Green Day song.       

To back on topic, where does 1981 live in a tier list ranking?   It's B or C.  

 

 

 

[Clockwise]

Haushinka rocks.

[jengd]

I love Haushinka.  Most of the time I love @That Dude but I just can’t agree with him on this.  😘

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

Honest thought: I listened to the live recordings of this song maybe 4-5 times max, but the song got kinda stuck in my head and keep popping up in it once in a while. Probably just me starving for new GD material but that’s how it is. 

[Lenny]

23 hours ago, petros said:

"Despite all the facts you presented I go by my personal bias and judge a band from that."

As a huge fan of both bands and being a member on both bands biggest forums I have to say it's the worst when green day fans talk about blink and vise versa. I really don't get why but both fan bases seem to be super snob and arrogant when to comes to talking about the other band. 

Blink fans say that Green Day are an emo band with eye liner that sold out and Green Day fans say that blink is a sell out pop pand that are terrible musicians and all their songs are basically like all the small things. Both opinions wrong and stupid. 

We have to trash your bias because of my bias for both bands. Epic fail on arguing that point man, sorry. 

Blink fans can say whatever they want about GD, Blink is pretty much the first ever modern emo band, Green Day is far from it. 

Blink has and always will be more pop than punk. That is a fact. To say that opinion wrong is baffling but I’m not even sure where you were during the last wave of punk. I know where I was, it was actually there.

it’s ok if you like Blink, nobody is saying not to like them, but don’t try and force feed that they’re this band up there with Green Day. They’re not. They have some ok singles and had some success in the 90s and early 00’s and that’s about it. 
 

As for what Blink fans say about Green Day… I had a blink fan tell me Travis is a better drummer than Neil Peart…. That’s plain ignorance. Their fan base always seemed to be more casual music fans so they seem to draft more unusual false beliefs. In my experience Ive found Green Day fans to be more aware and respectful when speaking about legends in music. Which is expected considering the levels of respect Green Day has gotten from several different areas in the industry. 
 

I remember the discussions in 2002 very vividly. I remember the Blink fans always being aggressive, I remember the older kids telling the younger kids with no aggression at all “no the better band definitely will always be Green Day. You will see it eventually”. At the time I wasn’t really a part of the discussion myself. 
 

I did see Blink on tv alot at that time and my initial reaction was “ok that wasn’t as bad as I initially thought it would be but this doesn’t warrant the aggressive push I see every day”. At the time Green Day was not being played - this is documented accurately in Bullet In A Bible. I hadn’t heard them since the ending of the 90s.

When GD came around 2 years later and I first took that in being older in the 2000s something resonated with me instantly. I remember telling my dad “these guys are different, it’s not like Sum 41 or anything like that. These guys seem to have a lot more potential and there’s something different about their songwriting and arrangements.” Blink never really struck that moment with me. I was a fan when I was 12 or 13 because I was a kid and the songs were funny but that was about it.

and even if I am “biased” it comes from a place of being a pro musician at that time and actually being a huge part of the punk scene in that time. But go ahead tell me all about it.

 

 

4 hours ago, HAPPY FINKING UNICORN said:

Honest thought: I listened to the live recordings of this song maybe 4-5 times max, but the song got kinda stuck in my head and keep popping up in it once in a while. Probably just me starving for new GD material but that’s how it is. 

Exact same here. Let’s wait for the actual real recording it of it.

 

[WhiteTim]

@Sheenius you got Grammys and Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame mixed up 

 

artists can get nominated for a Grammy from their very first release as long as enough Grammy voters nominate it 

it’s 25 years from first release to be able to be considered for RNRHOF 

[Lenny]

35 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

@Sheenius you got Grammys and Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame mixed up 

 

artists can get nominated for a Grammy from their very first release as long as enough Grammy voters nominate it 

it’s 25 years from first release to be able to be considered for RNRHOF 

I don’t have it mixed up, it’s just that for a rock band it’s not common to be nominated for your first major label release. It was a poor choice of words from typing on my phone, not a lack of knowledge. But yeah I can see why someone might think based off the terminology used why I got it mixed up. I meant first major label release not eligibility. My bad!
 

Either way GD has accomplished it all. I wish they would do it again of course but they have had a great journey so far.

Tim, I’m curious what your thoughts are on Blink being that you were in the industry at the time. Do you think they were deserving of the accolades GD achieved? Or is the disparity between the two the natural margin between legends and a successful pop punk band?

 

On 9/2/2023 at 10:14 AM, GuitarPunk94 said:

appreciate your love for both bands

both blink and greenday are probably my fav bands out of all bands in the music world

and even if there are "bad" "terrible" written songs (talking about both bands) you cant say that blink are terrible musicians, i am a musician (for the most part i play guitar), and if you get behind blinks songwritting, its really outstanding

anyways, cant wait for new music of both of them (feels like 90s/early '00s again lol), cant wait to see them live again (hopefully), and cant wait to play the new songs on my guitar

and i hope everything is alright with travis/his family atm

As a musician I’m fairly confident that Blink are not great musicians. They’re sloppy live as a unit which is a major indicator.

I think individually Travis is really good but not as good as people think he is. But yeah he’s definitely a pro drummer I have no doubts there.
 

I don’t think highly about their songwriting over the course of their whole career but I think songwriting was probably more of their forte and more of the bread and butter of their success. So I agree with that point even if I do laugh at the narrative that they write nursery rhymes. 

But there are far less successful bands that had more technical musicians. Rancid is the first to come to mind. I seem to draw a lot of parallels between Blink and NOFX as of late. NOFX have been sloppy live at times but theyre also technically better than Blink. 
 

Green Day are pretty solid as a band but there are points of simplicity as well which has been both a compliment and criticism of the band. However, they coordinated some 9 min songs and those happen to be 2 of the best songs in their discography. There’s some really great drumming on those parts and Tre is a major part of the glue that keeps the band together. 
 

I think both GD and Blink evolved their sounds and matured but Green Day was the better band so they capitalized on having a higher potential. GD are both better musically as a band and as songwriters. Blink doesn’t have a JOS, a Homecoming, 21cb etc and to be honest they never will achieve that.

Even with Travis being a really solid drummer I don’t see him running as a captain for a 9 minute song and when you achieve that feat most of the success of that song falls into the hands of the drummer. But Travis will play some cool backbeats that Tre will never get caught playing. Something like Kill The DJ would have had more impact with a drummer like Travis but on a song like JOS or Homecoming it just has no impact.

Tre plays like a punk Keith Moon where Travis is like a punk Bonham. I think thats probably the closest similarity is that both bands have outstanding drummers.

[WhiteTim]

14 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

I don’t have it mixed up, it’s just that for a rock band it’s not common to be nominated for your first major label release. It was a poor choice of words from typing on my phone, not a lack of knowledge. But yeah I can see why someone might think based off the terminology used why I got it mixed up. I meant first major label release not eligibility. My bad!
 

Either way GD has accomplished it all. I wish they would do it again of course but they have had a great journey so far.

Tim, I’m curious what your thoughts are on Blink being that you were in the industry at the time. Do you think they were deserving of the accolades GD achieved? Or is the disparity between the two the natural margin between legends and a successful pop punk band?

 

I think Blink (while not a fan of theirs outside a handful of songs) are to 00’s what GD are to 90’s  

GD has more sales overall but Blink has more sales currently 

they’re both world known big acts personally I think just comes down to your personal preference… 

[Mato]

How did you guys manage to turn this thread into a debate between a 00's frivolous pop punk band vs. Green Day ? 😅

Oh, and I love the comparison of Travis Barker to John Bonham, in any context. It really holds the credibility of being a ''pro'' musician..

[HAPPY ZOMBIE UNICORN]

43 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

I think Blink (while not a fan of theirs outside a handful of songs) are to 00’s what GD are to 90’s  

GD has more sales overall but Blink has more sales currently 

they’re both world known big acts personally I think just comes down to your personal preference… 

I don’t think that’s true and not because I’m a GD fan. If I have to think about a pop rock record that represents the 00’s I think about American Idiot, not about any of the Blink records from that decade. 
Blink might have sold a little more records in the last 10 years, but to be fair neither Blink or GD new music had a relevant role in pop culture or pop music in the last decade. Travis Barker had a presence and impact through Machine Gun Kelly (and his personal life), but not Blink. Comparing the bread crumps of the last few years can be interesting as music nerds looking at statistics, but says very little about the two bands. 

 

[That Dude]

18 hours ago, jengd said:

I love Haushinka.  Most of the time I love @That Dude but I just can’t agree with him on this.  😘

What is your least favorite Green Day song?  I do like Haushinka, it's just my least favorite. 

Oh while we're on hot takes - Barker > Bonham x 1 trillion.  Bonham = boring.

 

[WhiteTim]

26 minutes ago, HAPPY FINKING UNICORN said:

I don’t think that’s true and not because I’m a GD fan. If I have to think about a pop rock record that represents the 00’s I think about American Idiot, not about any of the Blink records from that decade. 
Blink might have sold a little more records in the last 10 years, but to be fair neither Blink or GD new music had a relevant role in pop culture or pop music in the last decade. Travis Barker had a presence and impact through Machine Gun Kelly (and his personal life), but not Blink. Comparing the bread crumps of the last few years can be interesting as music nerds looking at statistics, but says very little about the two bands. 

 

Well we can do a comparison of GD and Blink from their breakout album

Anema 15x/Nimrod 4x

take off your jacket 14x/warning 3.5x 

Blink 3x/AI 16x 

they both have 2 albums that are Diamond (Dookie/AI and Anema/take off) 

again GD biggest heyday was Dookie at 25 million 

blink had back to back diamond albums 99/01 

but again I ended it with that its all personal preference 

[jengd]

1 hour ago, That Dude said:

What is your least favorite Green Day song?  I do like Haushinka, it's just my least favorite. 

Oh while we're on hot takes - Barker > Bonham x 1 trillion.  Bonham = boring.

 

Funnily enough, while I would struggle to pick my favourite, I can tell you my least favourite and it’s Amy.  I do get what you are saying, just messing with you 😘

[Reverend Strychnine Twitch]

2 hours ago, That Dude said:

What is your least favorite Green Day song?  I do like Haushinka, it's just my least favorite. 

Oh while we're on hot takes - Barker > Bonham x 1 trillion.  Bonham = boring.

 

Although I love all of them generally, I tend to skip these songs:

- Fashion Victim

- Hold On

- Walking Alone

- Restless Heart Syndrome

- Know Your Enemy

- Amy

- Drama Queen

- I Was a Teenage Teenager

- Junkies On A High

- Jackass

I dont expect any songs to be skipped from the new album.

[Lenny]

8 hours ago, Mato said:

How did you guys manage to turn this thread into a debate between a 00's frivolous pop punk band vs. Green Day ? 😅

Oh, and I love the comparison of Travis Barker to John Bonham, in any context. It really holds the credibility of being a ''pro'' musician…

Roll back a couple pages and it starts there

 

and I’m not sure if that’s sarcasm but at the end of the day whether you believe it or not it’s entirely true. I’m not going to argue with people online about it. 
 

What’s wrong with the comparison? What’s so outrageous about it? Is that not a compliment to his abilities? Bonham was in a successful band, has a ton of famous rock beats and influenced Neil Peart even. Why would that even be a diss?

 

To add in my edit Im gonna be forthright here, the use of quotations around the term pro pisses me off regardless of the intention. I’m giving my honest view from my viewpoint at that given time in history. I lived my life with no regrets and took the time and effort to achieve the things I did at that time. For someone on this forum to use quotations as some type of question mark around my experience is unwarranted. Nobody said you have to agree with my opinion or viewpoints but fuck off with trying to minimize me. Not trying to come off harsh but limit your own insecurities in your interactions. I don’t need to be a recipient of this type of attitude.

7 hours ago, That Dude said:

What is your least favorite Green Day song?  I do like Haushinka, it's just my least favorite. 

Oh while we're on hot takes - Barker > Bonham x 1 trillion.  Bonham = boring.

 

Bonham has some wicked beats in those Zeppelin songs. He was a great drummer.

7 hours ago, HAPPY FINKING UNICORN said:

I don’t think that’s true and not because I’m a GD fan. If I have to think about a pop rock record that represents the 00’s I think about American Idiot, not about any of the Blink records from that decade. 
Blink might have sold a little more records in the last 10 years, but to be fair neither Blink or GD new music had a relevant role in pop culture or pop music in the last decade. Travis Barker had a presence and impact through Machine Gun Kelly (and his personal life), but not Blink. Comparing the bread crumps of the last few years can be interesting as music nerds looking at statistics, but says very little about the two bands. 

 

This is what I’ve been saying 100%

8 hours ago, WhiteTim said:

I think Blink (while not a fan of theirs outside a handful of songs) are to 00’s what GD are to 90’s  

GD has more sales overall but Blink has more sales currently 

they’re both world known big acts personally I think just comes down to your personal preference… 

I appreciate your response. Growing up mostly in the 2000s I always felt like Blink was something of yesterday given that they had broken up by the mid 2000s. 

 

With GD it was exciting to be a fan around 2004-2009 and heading into 21cb it was exciting to experience what they’d do next. At that time Mark was launching his reality show which was not something that I was in the target market for but it was kind of a big thing for a second.

When I started high school Blink was still massive despite the break up. I think if they kept releasing albums maybe I’d feel differently about them but once it was over it felt strange. Seeing Travis play with Soulja boy.. I don’t know how to convey that feeling without being entirely negative. 
 

In someway I guess I felt like we still had Green Day. 

 

[WhiteTim]

16 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

Roll back a couple pages and it starts there

 

and I’m not sure if that’s sarcasm but at the end of the day whether you believe it or not it’s entirely true. I’m not going to argue with people online about it. 
 

What’s wrong with the comparison? What’s so outrageous about it? Is that not a compliment to his abilities? Bonham was in a successful band, has a ton of famous rock beats and influenced Neil Peart even. Why would that even be a diss?

 

To add in my edit Im gonna be forthright here, the use of quotations around the term pro pisses me off regardless of the intention. I’m giving my honest view from my viewpoint at that given time in history. I lived my life with no regrets and took the time and effort to achieve the things I did at that time. For someone on this forum to use quotations as some type of question mark around my experience is unwarranted. Nobody said you have to agree with my opinion or viewpoints but fuck off with trying to minimize me. Not trying to come off harsh but limit your own insecurities in your interactions. I don’t need to be a recipient of this type of attitude.

Bonham has some wicked beats in those Zeppelin songs. He was a great drummer.

This is what I’ve been saying 100%

I appreciate your response. Growing up mostly in the 2000s I always felt like Blink was something of yesterday given that they had broken up by the mid 2000s. 

 

With GD it was exciting to be a fan around 2004-2009 and heading into 21cb it was exciting to experience what they’d do next. At that time Mark was launching his reality show which was not something that I was in the target market for but it was kind of a big thing for a second.

When I started high school Blink was still massive despite the break up. I think if they kept releasing albums maybe I’d feel differently about them but once it was over it felt strange. Seeing Travis play with Soulja boy.. I don’t know how to convey that feeling without being entirely negative. 
 

In someway I guess I felt like we still had Green Day. 

 

I guess I’m just going by numbers and also I was never a Blink fan so never paid attention to them hell i completely ignored rock from like 2002 to 2015 or so outside of a band or two 

[suffoKate]

I liked Travis the most when he was an Aquabat. Something was always a little eccentric and interesting.

He’s lost a lot of feeling since playing/carrying those two dolts. Sure, the technicality is there for all to see, but I want fuckin heart and soul! Punch me in my guts! 

[Lenny]

16 minutes ago, Radiation Fear said:

I liked Travis the most when he was an Aquabat. He’s lost a lot of feeling since playing/carrying those two dolts. Sure, the technicality is there for all to see, but I want fuckin heart and soul! Punch me in my guts! 

Nice mention there. Completely forget all the time that this was his start! Most people don’t know that.

I’m not really an Aquabats fan but I do like them. 
 

I saw Travis play with The Transplants and have nothing bad to say about that show. He played well and they put on a good show as a band.

22 minutes ago, WhiteTim said:

I guess I’m just going by numbers and also I was never a Blink fan so never paid attention to them hell i completely ignored rock from like 2002 to 2015 or so outside of a band or two 

What were you listening to at that time?

I get the sentiment overall, the 90s saw so many different acts come through and of course the 2000s were fairly diverse with different genres bubbling under and entering the mainstream.

[WhiteTim]

54 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

Nice mention there. Completely forget all the time that this was his start! Most people don’t know that.

I’m not really an Aquabats fan but I do like them. 
 

I saw Travis play with The Transplants and have nothing bad to say about that show. He played well and they put on a good show as a band.

What were you listening to at that time?

I get the sentiment overall, the 90s saw so many different acts come through and of course the 2000s were fairly diverse with different genres bubbling under and entering the mainstream.

I was in the rap scene so was mainly rap and funk and r&b 

[PleasedToMeetMe]

1981 seems like a pretty logical choice for a single. It’s fast, catchy, simple and short enough for people’s short attention spans. I think it could do well.

[petros]

Wait, does anyone know. Is @Sheeniusa musician?

[That Dude]

37 minutes ago, petros said:

Wait, does anyone know. Is @Sheeniusa musician?

This is what I've found so far:

On August 13, 2011, Sheen hosted at the 12th annual Gathering of the Juggalos, an event created by the Insane Clown Posse. He received a mixed reaction from the audience,[60] but has expressed appreciation for the culture by describing himself as a Juggalo[61] and wearing a baseball cap featuring the Psychopathic Records logo in public and during production meetings for Anger Management.[62]

[frankoz]

On 9/3/2023 at 8:54 PM, Reverend Strychnine Twitch said:

Although I love all of them generally, I tend to skip these songs:

- Fashion Victim

- Hold On

- Walking Alone

- Restless Heart Syndrome

- Know Your Enemy

- Amy

- Drama Queen

- I Was a Teenage Teenager

- Junkies On A High

- Jackass

I dont expect any songs to be skipped from the new album.

I keep skipping FOAM (the record), cause it's entirely bad and soulless.

[Clockwise]

FOAM rocks.