1972 project speculation thread

[Ryan]

3 minutes ago, Rob said:

Uh lol no. This isn’t 2005 anymore. Neighborhoods was released less than a year before any of the trilogy, was less than blink’s best work, and sold more than any individual album of the trilogy. California, an album notorious for missing a key member, was released the same year as rev rad and outsold it. Nine was released a few months before foam and outsold it as well. There’s A LOT of positivity going around in the blink camp right now, and a lot of positive reception for what blinks released from their new album thus far from both casuals and hardcore. I haven’t  seen that level of excitement for what Green Day’s done since 21cb in 2009. Their current tour is the highest grossing tour of their career, and there seems to be from what I’ve seen a much more nostalgic love for blink in recent years than Green Day. I went to see them in 2016 and people went nuts. I saw Green Day at the same venue in 2017 and the crowd and enthusiasm just didn’t feel the same. And mine you 2016 was Tom Delonge-less.

 

if anything I think they may be intimated by blinks current positive momentum and probably wants to keep a certain distance from what they’re doing. I know we’d never imagine that’d be the case again after American Idiot; but times have changed and the general public seems more into blink both in a nostalgic and creative sense than they’ve been into what Green Day has done since at least 2009. If we’re having this discussion in good faith, I think we have to acknowledge that. Maybe gd will shock us again like they did in 04, but as of now I doubt it. Blink, as of now, has set the competition bar pretty high and I think it’s kinda a nuisance for gd right now.

You're right...Blink fans have always been pretty fucking dumb when it comes to what good music is. 

[Christian's Inferno!]

5 minutes ago, Rob said:

Uh lol no. This isn’t 2005 anymore. Neighborhoods was released less than a year before any of the trilogy, was less than blink’s less work, and sold more than any individual album of the trilogy. California, an album notorious for missing a key member, was released the same year as rev rad and outsold it. Nine was released a few months before foam and outsold it as well. There’s A LOT of positivity going around in the blink camp right now, and a lot of positive reception for what blinks released from their new album thus far from both casuals and hardcore. I haven’t  seen that level of excitement for what Green Day’s done since 21cb in 2009. Their current tour is the highest grossing tour of their career, and there seems to be from what I’ve seen a much more nostalgic love for blink in recent years than Green Day. I went to see them in 2016 and people went nuts. I saw Green Day at the same venue in 2017 and the crowd and enthusiasm just didn’t feel the same. And mine you 2016 was Tom Delonge-less.

 

if anything I think they may be intimated by blinks current positive momentum and probably wants to keep a certain distance from what they’re doing. I know we’d never imagine that’d be the case again after American Idiot; but times have changed and the general public seems more into blink both in a nostalgic and creative sense than they’ve been into what Green Day has done since at least 2009. If we’re having this discussion in good faith, I think we have to acknowledge that. Maybe gd will shock us again like they did in 04, but as of now I doubt it. Blink, as of now, has set the competition bar pretty high and I think it’s kinda a nuisance for gd right now.

Idk if it's true that Neighborhood sold more than Uno. Yeah, in terms of first week sales blink sold 151k compared to 139k but we don't really know how much of each album has been sold to date. Uno was also released almost exactly a year after Neighborhoods so they're not really even that comparable anyway. California and Nine are much more comparable to RevRad and FOAMF respectively

blink for sure has had the better performing albums in recent years but I honestly find it hard to believe that the enthusiasm for a blink live show in 2016 was more than a GD show in 2017. Not only because Tom wasn't in the band at that point but also because blink has always been kinda shitty live

2 minutes ago, ekim said:

Revolution radio debuted at number 1 on the billboard charts and spawn actual hit singles like bang bang and still breathing 

So did California and it had much more album sales in its first week. And Bored to Death was a bigger hit for them than BB and SB

[Little Boy Named Booze]

Here we go with the Blink vs Green Day again.
Can we just enjoy both band for godsake we don't care about their sales.

[Rob]

17 minutes ago, ekim said:

Revolution radio debuted at number 1 on the billboard charts and spawn actual hit singles like bang bang and still breathing 

California debuted at number 1 the same year and bored to death and soohm both being pretty big rock radio hits themselves. Btd was certified gold and actually made an appearance on the billboard hot 100. Green Day hasn’t released a single that’s appeared on the hot 100 and had an riaa certification since 21 guns in 2009. California itself was certified gold and nominated for a Grammy. Gf hasn’t had either since 2009. And again we’re talking about the mediocre Skiba years compared to gd releasing an album featuring the core of the band the general public has known as gd since they hit the mainstream. 
 

you can argue about quality all you want, as California and nine were hardly a replay worthy work for me, but gd hasn’t had the commercial endurance that blink has had since 2009, and as of now they’re seems to be much more anticipation and enthusiasm for blink than there is for gd. Yeah gd had more of an overall impact on the genre with two landmark albums, but currently, commercially, they haven’t kept up with blink since American Idiot. It just is what it is now.

[DookieLukie]

9 minutes ago, ekim said:

Revolution radio debuted at number 1 on the billboard charts and spawn actual hit singles like bang bang and still breathing 

Define “hit.” Both didn’t even get on the Hot 100.

[GDFan2019]

OMG we’re one page away from 600!!!!

[Rob]

17 minutes ago, Ryan said:

You're right...Blink fans have always been pretty fucking dumb when it comes to what good music is. 

All subjective my friend. I’m just talking about the poster that said CURRENTLY if gd were to release their new album the same time as blinks that it’d wipe the floor with blinks album. I don’t think that’d be the case with how well blinks doing right now, and it hasn’t been the case for a decade and a half.

8 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

Define “hit.” Both didn’t even get on the Hot 100.

Btd did. 88 I believe. Edging and one more time recently have landed on the hot 100 somewhere in the low 60s last I checked.  Green Day hasn’t had a hot 100 appearance since 2012 with oh love at 97.

[ekim]

10 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

Define “hit.” Both didn’t even get on the Hot 100.

I mean taylor swift is considered a hit artist and her music sucks ass 

[Rob]

15 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

Idk if it's true that Neighborhood sold more than Uno. Yeah, in terms of first week sales blink sold 151k compared to 139k but we don't really know how much of each album has been sold to date. Uno was also released almost exactly a year after Neighborhoods so they're not really even that comparable anyway. California and Nine are much more comparable to RevRad and FOAMF respectively

blink for sure has had the better performing albums in recent years but I honestly find it hard to believe that the enthusiasm for a blink live show in 2016 was more than a GD show in 2017. Not only because Tom wasn't in the band at that point but also because blink has always been kinda shitty live

So did California and it had much more album sales in its first week. And Bored to Death was a bigger hit for them than BB and SB

A year doesn’t make a whole lot of difference when talking about 2011 to 2012, industry standards were about the same in each respective year. Last reported sales we have for both had neighborhoods at 353,000 and I think uno at 200,000 something. I just know it was less. Neither were stellar commercially for either band, but gd, again has been trailing from blink since post 21cb.

[ekim]

10 minutes ago, Rob said:

All subjective my friend. I’m just talking about the poster that said CURRENTLY if gd were to release their new album the same time as blinks that it’d wipe the floor with blinks album. I don’t think that’d be the case with how well blinks doing right now, and it hasn’t been the case for a decade and a half.

Btd did. 88 I believe. Edging and one more time recently have landed on the hot 100 somewhere in the low 60s last I checked.  Green Day hasn’t had a hot 100 appearance since 2012 with oh love at 97.

Blink literally created two of their biggest hits off a green day b side riff called jar

[Rob]

Just now, ekim said:

I mean taylor swift is considered a hit artist and her music sucks ass 

I’m not talking about subjective tastes. I do think real blink (Tom, mark, and Travis) is more my thing than gd, and I think their self titled album was one of the most innovative pop punk albums of all time and deserved the attention AI got the following year, but again that’s all subjective. I’m just responding to one poster that said gd would commercially take the spotlight from blink. That hasn’t been the case in a significant amount of time and is a taller order with how much positive reception blink has for what they’ve released from their new album so far than that poster made it out to be. I’m simply saying it wouldn’t be an easy feat. That’s all.

[ekim]

BTW ryan tedder mr one republic himself co wrote several songs on the new blink album yep total punks lol 

[Ryan]

14 minutes ago, Rob said:

All subjective my friend. I’m just talking about the poster that said CURRENTLY if gd were to release their new album the same time as blinks that it’d wipe the floor with blinks album. I don’t think that’d be the case with how well blinks doing right now, and it hasn’t been the case for a decade and a half.

Btd did. 88 I believe. Edging and one more time recently have landed on the hot 100 somewhere in the low 60s last I checked.  Green Day hasn’t had a hot 100 appearance since 2012 with oh love at 97.

It depends on what somebody means by "wipe the floor with." If you're talking about strictly sales/fandom, you may have a point. If you are talking about actual quality of music, I'd put GD's largest pile of shit against Blink's best work ANY day of the fucking week.

[Christian's Inferno!]

Just now, Rob said:

A year doesn’t make a whole lot of difference when talking about 2011 to 2012, industry standards were about the same in each respective year. Last reported sales we have for both had neighborhoods at 353,000 and I think uno at 200,000 something. I just know it was less. Neither were stellar commercially for either band, but gd, again has been trailing from blink since post 21cb.

It says Uno had sold 325k copies here https://the-circuit.greasylake.org/index.php?/topic/116231-red-hot-chili-peppers-creed-green-day-and-kid-rockusa-album-sales/ and that was in 2013 (256k copies within the first 3 months of its release)

The 353k copies Neighborhood apparently sold is as of May 2016 which is almost 5 years after its release.

[Rob]

1 minute ago, ekim said:

Blink literally created two of their biggest hits off a green day b side riff called jar

That story gets exaggerated and blown out of proportion. It wasn’t like they copied them note for note, it was hoppus trying to play jar, fucking up, and accidentally created the bass line for what’s my again while doing so. Which while a happy accident because of jar, was still a completely different bass line.

 

what’s the other song? I only know about that being the case for what’s my age.

[ekim]

Just now, ekim said:

BTW ryan tedder mr one republic himself co wrote several songs on the new blink album yep total punks lol 

You won't see green day doing a collaboration with some shitty pop writer like him 

[Christian's Inferno!]

3 minutes ago, ekim said:

BTW ryan tedder mr one republic himself co wrote several songs on the new blink album yep total punks lol 

I really don't think they care if they're considered punk or not

[Ryan]

2 minutes ago, Rob said:

it was hoppus...fucking up

At least he's consistent

[ekim]

3 minutes ago, Rob said:

That story gets exaggerated and blown out of proportion. It wasn’t like they copied them note for note, it was hoppus trying to play jar, fucking up, and accidentally created the bass line for what’s my again while doing so. Which while a happy accident because of jar, was still a completely different bass line.

 

what’s the other song? I only know about that being the case for what’s my age.

Adams song 

[Austrian_Insomniac]

2 minutes ago, ekim said:

You won't see green day doing a collaboration with some shitty pop writer like him 

better ryan tedder than doing a shitty electric song without guitars with avicii lol

[ekim]

Just now, ekim said:

Adams song 

Man overboard 

[killjoywhatsername]

5 minutes ago, ekim said:

You won't see green day doing a collaboration with some shitty pop writer like him 

Yes, Green Day only collabs with the best like Lady Cobra 

[BratReject23]

Yesterday was weezer, now Blink and Taylor swift?? Wtf people 😂

[kingrock]

28 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

Here we go with the Blink vs Green Day again.
Can we just enjoy both band for godsake we don't care about their sales.

nothing is better than The Network ! 

[Rob]

3 minutes ago, ekim said:

Man overboard 

Never heard that being the case for anything other than wmaa. Citation. If anything Metallica would have more beef for adams song than gd would, but no more than oasis has a right to have beef about boulevard of broken dreams, so probably not the best conversation to have.

10 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

It says Uno had sold 325k copies here https://the-circuit.greasylake.org/index.php?/topic/116231-red-hot-chili-peppers-creed-green-day-and-kid-rockusa-album-sales/ and that was in 2013 (256k copies within the first 3 months of its release)

The 353k copies Neighborhood apparently sold is as of May 2016 which is almost 5 years after its release.

Might be the case, we won’t know for sure unless we have current numbers for both which we don’t. We do know California and nine have outsold and out performed (Riss certifications) anything gd has done in the same respective time.