1972 project speculation thread

[GuitarPunk94]

17 hours ago, The Grohl said:

They could at least make some sort of announcement that the album or whatever has been delayed. That's not uncommon and I think people would be pretty understanding and happy to just have some sort of update. 

how can you make an delay-announcement of sth thats not even announced yet?

we just need to be a bit more patient, i am sure they wont let us wait too long and it will be worth the wait

at this point i expect a full "boom", new lp, new (world) tour

[GDFan2019]

Could this be the side project?

 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

1 minute ago, GDFan2019 said:

Could this be the side project?

 

didn't he said in a few years? We talked about it in the podcast thread.

[alienlifeform]

2 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said:

Could this be the side project?

 

I was wondering about it, but Jason said this new PHGP would be released in the next few years... So, maybe he was misleding us to keep the surprise?

I would love a new Pinhead album

[localinsomniac]

12 hours ago, AlienVisitor said:

I don't think a RC has control over what a band should and should not release.

They might decide release dates but that's about it

Tom Petty had his first solo album rejected by MCA initially. It wasn't until there was some executive-level turnover that he tried again and they loved it.

Granted, it was the same album that eventually got released. But that's just one example.

[AlienVisitor]

2 hours ago, localinsomniac said:

Tom Petty had his first solo album rejected by MCA initially. It wasn't until there was some executive-level turnover that he tried again and they loved it.

Granted, it was the same album that eventually got released. But that's just one example.

Does this mean FOAMF wasn't that bad ? Since warners allowed it 😀

In all honesty I enjoyed that album.. idk why 80% of the fans hated it

[Reverend Strychnine Twitch]

4 hours ago, GuitarPunk94 said:

how can you make an delay-announcement of sth thats not even announced yet?

we just need to be a bit more patient, i am sure they wont let us wait too long and it will be worth the wait

at this point i expect a full "boom", new lp, new (world) tour

Totally agree

[GDFan2019]

7 hours ago, GuitarPunk94 said:

how can you make an delay-announcement of sth thats not even announced yet?

we just need to be a bit more patient, i am sure they wont let us wait too long and it will be worth the wait

at this point i expect a full "boom", new lp, new (world) tour

Do you think we're in for another epic rock opera?

[Gwen Stacy]

Magic Conch Shell says…

[pcj]

1 hour ago, GDFan2019 said:

Do you think we're in for another epic rock opera?

What have we got? A number of teases some with short music clips all instrumental. They will sound so different once vocals are added.

There's two a few second long leaks deemed GD, with vocals. We've no idea if they are related to the new album or not. Nothing we've listened to so far remotely indicates a leaning to a rock opera as you call it.

Imho, overall we've no idea what the new album will sound like. For me that's cool, we're just gonna have to wait and see what we're gonna get. I love surprises. Can't wait to be excited. 

[GDFan2019]

4 minutes ago, pcj said:

What have we got? A number of teases some with short music clips all instrumental. They will sound so different once vocals are added.

There's two a few second long leaks deemed GD, with vocals. We've no idea if they are related to the new album or not. Nothing we've listened to so far remotely indicates a leaning to a rock opera as you call it.

Imho, overall we've no idea what the new album will sound like. For me that's cool, we're just gonna have to wait and see what we're gonna get. I love surprises. Can't wait to be excited. 

I mean, what about the references to American Idiot in the teasers?

[BratReject23]

12 hours ago, GDFan2019 said:

I mean, what about the references to American Idiot in the teasers?

You know, it’s almost a year since the last teaser that at this point we don’t even know if those ones indicate the sound, reference or direction the album would take. More likely they have scrapped out a lot of things since then. Only time will tell…

[GuitarPunk94]

16 hours ago, GDFan2019 said:

Do you think we're in for another epic rock opera?

i guess no one can answer that (until we get a first single atleast)

i dont even know if i want "another" epic rock opera (in my opinion AI is unique, we will probably never get sth special like this again)

my personal wish is that the next album will be creative again, we all know that billie mike and tré can pull out very creative music, but when i take a look at foam or some other songs i am like "its not bad but we know you can do better", i'm not demanding better quality, but some songs might be simple (punk)rock songs but they still have this special GD magic, and it makes me happy if I listen to a song that doesnt sound bland

[Sanity Loan]

2 hours ago, BratReject23 said:

You know, it’s almost a year since the last teaser that at this point we don’t even know if those ones indicate the sound, reference or direction the album would take. More likely they have scrapped out a lot of things since then. Only time will tell…

The teasing stopped because they finished recording. Nothing has been scrapped… the album is done.

[GDFan2019]

17 minutes ago, Sanity Loan said:

The teasing stopped because they finished recording. Nothing has been scrapped… the album is done.

We’re coming up on one year since the last teaser in August. Why are they just sitting on it since then?

[pcj]

26 minutes ago, Sanity Loan said:

The teasing stopped because they finished recording. Nothing has been scrapped… the album is done.

I'm sorry, now I'm confused. Didn't @pacejunkie punk say last month that the album is finished? I assumed he meant at that time June. Are you saying the album was finished much sooner?

 

[AnonymWarnerGermany]

34 minutes ago, Sanity Loan said:

The teasing stopped because they finished recording. Nothing has been scrapped… the album is done.

[pcj]

On 7/6/2023 at 9:30 AM, pcj said:

When @Sanity Loan stated earlier that GD don't control when the next album is released, it's down to the record company, (RC). I thought wtf, who do they think they are telling GD what they can or can't do. 

When I looked into it I realised my total ignorance of just how it all works. Without boring everyone with contract law, it's basically down to cost, profit and loss and most importantly risk and who covers that risk.

Recording, producing, manufacturing, distribution of your record costs money, lots of it. The RC covers that and even advances you money to live on in the meantime.

If the album is a bummer and flops and the money invested is lost, the RC takes the hit. The artist/band is not legally responsible for the loss and owes the RC nothing.

The RC makes money on Royalties, the money made from record sales, promotions, etc. The RC can claim anything from 60% to 90% of royalties to pay back the advance before the band members get anything.

It's all down to contract negotiation. If your not careful the RC can own you. It will control and own the masters of your music, control when an album can be recorded and released, when you can do interviews, radio shows, TV appearances, videos,tours, the lot. And in some cases if they don't think the record is good enough send you back to the studio to start again.

Recently major artists like Taylor Swift and Gary Barlow, have been fighting back to change the law. To allow an artist/band to have more control, in particular the long term ownership of the masters. 

You could say fuck it, I've got my own studio, I'll start my own record label, I'll do it all myself. Cool, but you take risk, if it fails........

 

Although the above is correct concerning the relation between a record company and a band, what I failed to understand is that Crush Music is not a record company.

I stumbled across this article below. (sorry, the link would not work). Therefore, I was wrong. The above comments are not relevant to the relationship between Crush and Green Day. I hope below makes sense.

Sep 13, 2019 8:37am PT

Green Day and Fall Out Boy Are Free Agents: What’s Their Next Move? By Jem Aswad

When Green Day, Weezer and Fall Out Boy announced their joint “Hella Mega” tour earlier this week, many quick-witted industry observers noted that the three artists have something in common beyond their status as three of America’s biggest rock bands: They’re all managed by Crush Music.

And as Green Day and Fall Out Boy noted in a recent interview, they are both also at the end of their major-label deals: Green Day will release the last album on their Warner Records contract early next year (the group has been with the label since 1993), and Fall Out Boy, which released their first album with Island in 2005, is already at the end of theirs. (While reps for Crush, Warner and Island either declined or did not respond to requests for comment, a source close to the situation confirmed to Variety that the two groups are “technically” out of their deals.)

As luck would have it, Crush Music has a label — in fact, Weezer has released its last four albums on it via a distribution deal with Atlantic, which enables them to benefit from the support and infrastructure of a major label while still owning the masters. It’s a model that has become increasingly common in recent years, as streaming and the Internet — not to mention increased awareness of the benefits of artists owning their masters — have empowered musicians and eroded the leverage of the majors. Powerhouse management firms like Q Prime and Roc Nation have for years operated their own labels and partnered with majors for distribution; many artists who own their masters, like Motley Crue, have their own imprints (and their manager owns a full-service independent label).

If Green Day and Fall Out Boy were to follow Weezer to Crush’s label, it creates a potential situation where a management company’s imprint could become one of the biggest rock labels in the business — although that title is fainter praise than it would have been a decade ago: This situation takes place amid a long recession for rock music, which fell far behind pop and hip-hop/R&B in popularity many years ago.

While Crush cofounder Jonathan Daniel tells Variety “There’s not a story here yet, though I appreciate the creative sleuthing” and declined to comment on whether the company could or would want to get into the label business so deeply, there are a number of reasons why such an arrangement could make more sense for artists at this level than a major label deal. The groups are all strong live draws and still enjoy solid chart success — Fall Out Boy’s last three albums reached No. 1 on the Billboard 200; Green Day has had three No. 1 albums, including their most recent, and several Top 5s; two of Weezer’s four albums on Crush/Atlantic reached the Top 5 — although those numbers don’t mean what they used to, either. And while the groups can still crank out a respectable hit single, contemporary rock remains weak on radio: Fall Out Boy’s most substantial hit came four years ago (“Centuries,” which reached No. 10 on the Hot 100), and even a sizable hit like Weezer’s popular 2018 cover of Toto’s “Africa” only peaked at No. 51 (although, notably, that song was released as part of the Crush/Atlantic Records partnership, proving that the model can deliver a radio hit).

Still, those are not the kinds of numbers that get a major label CEO’s pulse racing — but conversely, do these groups, which have established fan bases, deep catalogs of hits and are young enough to tour for decades to come, even need a major label, which is most beneficial for breaking artists and radio promotion?

“Green Day doesn’t have to sign to a major label,” says Allen Kovac, founder of 10th Street Entertainment and the Eleven Seven Label Group and Motley Crue’s manager. “I consistently advise artists to avoid the majors. [Crush] puts out records just like we do. In today’s world, if you make your own music and have a fan base, you can always find a partner to do radio and streaming promotion. My deals enable the artists to retain the rights to their masters, and all profits are split 50-50 after marketing costs.”

However, a manager of several notable rock acts takes a different stance. “Green Day is a massive, worldwide mega-brand, and having the global infrastructure of a major label to push and promote a new release for a band of this caliber is important,” the manager tells Variety. “Nowadays, it’s all about visibility on a massive scale, and that requires resources that very few indies or artists can attain themselves.

“The reality is, [an album] is a marketing platform for a tour, so why not accept that and use one of the biggest ad agencies in the space?,” meaning a major label.

However, he notes that such advice would only apply to established rock acts. “If you’re not Green Day, good luck,” he scoffs. “Majors don’t give a sh– about alternative rock because it doesn’t have massive streaming numbers and it isn’t ‘cool’ right now. So majors are doing what they do: chasing hits and trends.”

Will Crush — which also manages Sia, Lorde, Panic at the Disco, Lykke Li and many others — take the plunge and further develop this artist- and management-empowering business model? Time will tell — but with solid fanbases and a synergizing tour on the horizon, the company and the three artists are in a strong position.

 

 

 

[Christian's Inferno!]

My guess is that the album has mostly been done for like a year but they have gone back a few times to make a few changes or additions to it. Regarding why it's still not been announced and we don't have an official release date yet, no idea

[GuitarPunk94]

"album is done" in the meaning of recording is finished or in the meaning of the whole process is done and its literally ready to go ?

[Austrian_Insomniac]

2 hours ago, Sanity Loan said:

The teasing stopped because they finished recording. Nothing has been scrapped… the album is done.

its getting so annoying... this shit with holding records back and teasing for ever... blink does the dame shit but they released at least the single 

[pacejunkie punk]

1 hour ago, GuitarPunk94 said:

"album is done" in the meaning of recording is finished or in the meaning of the whole process is done and its literally ready to go ?

Literally done, but they aren’t touring until next year so it makes sense to put them together right?

[jengd]

Look I already have two weddings and a visitor from Australia organised next year, and I need to book holidays so I NEED tour dates.  Rock stars 🙄🙄😂😂😂

[GDFan2019]

15 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Literally done, but they aren’t touring until next year so it makes sense to put them together right?

I always wondered why the Hella Mega Tour was scheduled the way it was. And this was before we even knew Covid was coming!! We got the single in September 2019, and the album came out in February 2020, and the tour already wasn't going to start until the 2020 summer!!!

[Reverend Strychnine Twitch]

38 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said:

I always wondered why the Hella Mega Tour was scheduled the way it was. And this was before we even knew Covid was coming!! We got the single in September 2019, and the album came out in February 2020, and the tour already wasn't going to start until the 2020 summer!!!

A single before When We Were Young Festival - late September/early October + February-March album release and a big tour throughout 2024 and 2025 is what I imagine will happen.