1972 project speculation thread

[That Dude]

There is "Legact Act" and then there is "Washed Up".

Green Day certainly aren't washed up, but the legacy thing is a bit blurred in 2022.   Many bands are putting out albums that sound like the most popular stuff and bringing back old members. 

And everybody is playing the hits and not much else. 

Did Covid do this, or what?

Maybe it's always been this way. 

[jengd]

2 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I think you’re misunderstanding what a legacy act is. WWWY is literally a festival of legacy acts, hence the title. Legacy acts can still sell out tours, stadiums and headline festivals. It doesn’t mean a band is “over” or “down” or that they suck. It just means that their most popular and best music is behind them and they’ve amassed enough of a back catalog that they can 100% live off it and tour off it. When every tour becomes a greatest hits tour and you’re no longer playing or promoting your latest music much because most fans don’t care to hear it, you might be a legacy act.

It doesn’t mean you’re no longer loved, but you are loved more for your past accomplishments. Most bands never achieve enough to have a legacy.  GD are one of the lucky few.

I agree, but also think "legacy band" is often used as a derogatory term.  They are stuck between a rock and a hard place, look at all the reviews saying what great shows they've just played, no filler etc etc.  We just have to accept, in a crowd of 65,000 like they had in Singapore, probably not many could name more than a couple of hits.

[Christian's Inferno!]

2 hours ago, GDFan2019 said:

I think the only reason why they only played their hits on the Hella Mega Tour was because they had to cut down their setlist to make room for Weezer and Fall Out Boy. It’s the first time they’ve ever done a tour like that. Once they go on tour for 1972, I guarantee they’ll play the singles from the new album, they may even play some FOAM songs, maybe even RevRad and Trilogy songs. 

Even if that was true, it still suggests that the band values their greatest hits over their new music. Really Green Day has felt like a legacy band since RevRad. The trilogy was the last time where I feel like the band was really into what they were doing, were pushing themselves, were being ambitious. RevRad was a really solid album but it felt familiar, there wasn't anything too different, there wasn't the ambition behind that project that their last few had and they didn't play the new songs from that album as much as they played the new songs from their last few albums on the following tour. For RevRad, they played 5-6 songs off the album live regularly and 3 songs never got played at all despite the album only being 12 songs long. For the trilogy, 21CB and AI, they played at least 7-8 songs regularly and every song from AI/21CB got at least a few plays. Only 5 trilogy songs were never played live. The whole FOAMF era seems completely like the era you'd expect from a legacy band. FOAMF using the AI cover for its cover, not playing the new songs, only playing the hits, not really talking about the new album. Maybe the 1972 era will be different from FOAMF. But they'll still be a legacy band and there isn't anything wrong with that

[Hermione]

I've gone ahead and removed the paparazzi photos and discussion. We prefer not to have paparazzi photos posted here and it's off topic anyway.

[That Dude]

14 minutes ago, Hermione said:

I've gone ahead and removed the paparazzi photos and discussion. We prefer not to have paparazzi photos posted here and it's off topic anyway.

I had a pretty lengthy response that I ended up deleting.   As someone who is sometimes skinny but currently overweight, I was going to 'weigh in', but I decided against it.  

Code name 1972 is going to be great to the point that GDA won't be so divided.   Yes, so great that we all agree for once.   

I say code name because I really hope it's called something else.   

 

[Flashback]

I like the timing of 1972. Because of all the festivals they headlined during the past months they got the attention of many non-GD-fans. And now with the release of the Nimrod anniversary album they get the attention of former-GD-fans. So maybe they are rather in the spotlight when they release 1972 than they were when they released FOAM.

[pacejunkie punk]

19 minutes ago, Flashback said:

I like the timing of 1972. Because of all the festivals they headlined during the past months they got the attention of many non-GD-fans. And now with the release of the Nimrod anniversary album they get the attention of former-GD-fans. So maybe they are rather in the spotlight when they release 1972 than they were when they released FOAM.

Even new fans from the past tour may be discovering Nimrod for the first time (checking out the album with Good Riddance on it)  and then will be tuned in to when 1972 comes out and be more inclined to give it a listen. I'm sure they were hoping the HM tour would raise their profile, even as big as they already are, because there are so many people under the illusion that Green Day broke up years ago, don't still release new music, etc. 

[dreamykatie]

1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Even new fans from the past tour may be discovering Nimrod for the first time (checking out the album with Good Riddance on it)  and then will be tuned in to when 1972 comes out and be more inclined to give it a listen. I'm sure they were hoping the HM tour would raise their profile, even as big as they already are, because there are so many people under the illusion that Green Day broke up years ago, don't still release new music, etc. 

As someone who became a fan after hella mega I can confirm that ppl will do this. Hell, my bestie and I got back to the hotel around 12:30 a.m. bc we were in the merch line and as soon as we got there I plugged my earphones in and searched up Green Day and listened to their songs, especially the older stuff, for a full hour afterward! 

[GDFan2019]

28 minutes ago, Flashback said:

I like the timing of 1972. Because of all the festivals they headlined during the past months they got the attention of many non-GD-fans. And now with the release of the Nimrod anniversary album they get the attention of former-GD-fans. So maybe they are rather in the spotlight when they release 1972 than they were when they released FOAM.

 

7 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Even new fans from the past tour may be discovering Nimrod for the first time (checking out the album with Good Riddance on it)  and then will be tuned in to when 1972 comes out and be more inclined to give it a listen. I'm sure they were hoping the HM tour would raise their profile, even as big as they already are, because there are so many people under the illusion that Green Day broke up years ago, don't still release new music, etc. 

 

3 minutes ago, dreamykatie said:

As someone who became a fan after hella mega I can confirm that ppl will do this. Hell, my bestie and I got back to the hotel around 12:30 a.m. bc we were in the merch line and as soon as we got there I plugged my earphones in and searched up Green Day and listened to their songs, especially the older stuff, for a full hour afterward! 

Plus Billie has been playing these festivals with 1972 painted on his back!!!!

[pacejunkie punk]

11 minutes ago, dreamykatie said:

As someone who became a fan after hella mega I can confirm that ppl will do this. Hell, my bestie and I got back to the hotel around 12:30 a.m. bc we were in the merch line and as soon as we got there I plugged my earphones in and searched up Green Day and listened to their songs, especially the older stuff, for a full hour afterward! 

Awesome! Welcome to the fandom. I joined late too, RevRad is what did it for me.  And yes as @GDFan2019 said, it explains why Billie would wear an intriguing 1972 vest to plant the idea in people's heads.

[Christian's Inferno!]

Yeah I'm fine with them prioritising the Nimrod anniversary edition before the release of 1972 even if it makes them seem like a "legacy band". I can imagine if there's any advertising or promoting of the album before its release that it will emphasise the fact that it's the album that has Good Riddance (Time of Your Life) on it. I think those casual Green Day fans would be more likely to listen and maybe get into the rest of their discography and/or stick around for 1972

[jengd]

1 hour ago, dreamykatie said:

As someone who became a fan after hella mega I can confirm that ppl will do this. Hell, my bestie and I got back to the hotel around 12:30 a.m. bc we were in the merch line and as soon as we got there I plugged my earphones in and searched up Green Day and listened to their songs, especially the older stuff, for a full hour afterward! 

Welcome to the madness.  I hope you enjoy all the excitement and speculation and that you love 1972 whatever it is and whenever it appears. 

[Lenny]

18 hours ago, GDFan2019 said:

 

IDK, I have a feeling, once 1972 comes out, they’ll reveal the truth about FOAM, which we suspected was a throwaway album to finish their contract. Although, I suppose it's possible FOAM songs would've made it into the setlist if the tour hadn't been delayed by Covid, and the album was still fresh in everyone's minds.

It's Billie Joe's Ultimate Contract Cheat 

They're gonna drop a single when it's trick or treat

The album will fail so miserably

because of Lydia's netflix tweet 

2 hours ago, dreamykatie said:

As someone who became a fan after hella mega 

This group may be the world's biggest minority group. 

On 10/16/2022 at 4:46 PM, Hermione said:

If you want to discuss further PM me. Back on topic here please.

PM wasn't working but thanks for letting me get a chance to report that. 

In the future let's have somebody else handle me as a mod. 

I'm tired of being subjected to the power issues. How is reporting 1 post abuse of the system? 

No need to answer the question just move me onto someone else in the future to deal with. 

I may just leak that warning posts page cause it's that ridiculous. I get that most of you guys don't have much power at home or work but just in case you ever get to clear over $18k a year you should start practicing now. You can't succeed in life acting erroneously.

19 hours ago, Gwen Stacy said:

I think it’s safe to declare they’re a legacy act at this point.

They're in their 50's though so it's not as negative as when it was pinned on them in the early 2000s. Completely normal to be a legacy act after having a solid career for 30 years. 

 

[Gwen Stacy]

1 hour ago, Sheenius said:

They're in their 50's though so it's not as negative as when it was pinned on them in the early 2000s. Completely normal to be a legacy act after having a solid career for 30 years. 

To be clear I didn’t mean that as a pejorative. There are good and bad ways you can be a legacy act. I’d just rather them be something more like Rush and less like The Beach Boys. 

[Lenny]

41 minutes ago, Gwen Stacy said:

To be clear I didn’t mean that as a pejorative. There are good and bad ways you can be a legacy act. I’d just rather them be something more like Rush and less like The Beach Boys. 

I agree. I love Rush.

I met them too and they were awesome.

also their newer albums were actually really great too but like GD they dipped a bit after their classic albums. Hopefully GD can comeback in a similar way Rush did

[Christian's Inferno!]

1 hour ago, Sheenius said:

They're in their 50's though so it's not as negative as when it was pinned on them in the early 2000s. Completely normal to be a legacy act after having a solid career for 30 years. 

It's so weird to think about the fact that if they didn't make American Idiot and blow up for the 2nd time, I probably wouldn't have discovered them. AI and 21CB were the albums that got me on board with Green Day. I might not even be into the kind of music that I'm into if I didn't hear those albums at the time and I might never have discovered them ever

If the legacy band label was pinned on them in the early 2000's and they never got that 2nd big break in 2004, that wouldn't have been a great legacy. Not to say that their 90's albums are bad or anything, I don't think that at all, but Dookie was their only real hit album at the time and that's what they would be remembered for by most people and as much as I love that album, that would be such a waste.

After AI and 21CB, albums like Insomniac & Warning that were initially considered disappointing started getting more love and appreciation and I don't think that would've happened if AI was never made. With a career with as many high points as they have, Green Day are never going to be forgotten. And it makes sense to use their legacy status to get more people into the band to listen to their old music and their new albums when they release, which is why I think these anniversary editions of their old albums being released before their new album is a good idea. Generate some hype around Green Day a few months before releasing new music

[Doggins]

Legacy act is a new term for me.. not a fan of that phrase personally. But GD did a pretty good job keeping relevant and "popular" over such a long time. Can they do it again? I doubt it

However Nostalgia is very "in" at the moment. We have these 20 year old that are listening to music they grew up with or what their parents listened to.

I find it so funny going to popular bars and things and they're playing the same music they were 20 years ago

[Lenny]

19 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

If the legacy band label was pinned on them in the early 2000's and they never got that 2nd big break in 2004, that wouldn't have been a great legacy. Not to say that their 90's albums are bad or anything, I don't think that at all, but Dookie was their only real hit album at the time and that's what they would be remembered for by most people and as much as I love that album, that would be such a waste.

 

They most likely wouldn't be around right now if it didn't happen. AI was pretty much an album that was either going to make it worth continuing or be a really solid last album. 

Where I'm from Nimrod is actually a beloved album. The way general fans talk about Green Day here you would think the order of releases were Dookie - Nimrod - AI 

17 minutes ago, Doggins said:

Legacy act is a new term for me.. not a fan of that phrase personally. But GD did a pretty good job keeping relevant and "popular" over such a long time. Can they do it again? I doubt it

However Nostalgia is very "in" at the moment. We have these 20 year old that are listening to music they grew up with or what their parents listened to.

I find it so funny going to popular bars and things and they're playing the same music they were 20 years ago

I think they're relevant but in the way that classic rock bands remained relevant in the early 2000s. People know that time is of the essence and there's a shortage of high quality rock bands or the output of new bands is significantly less than the quality output in previous years. 

It's a shame cause Green Day set the stage for another generation but the generation they passed the torch to shit all over it. That 2000s emo phase might be one of the worst movements ever in alternative music history. Those bands got even worse when emo died. 

 

[That Dude]

It's interesting to hear what album got everybody into Green Day.   

Can we get a poll asking what album got you hooked on the band?  

I'm sure those numbers are kind of in line with how popular the albums are, but I'd love to hear from the outliers, or see how many OLD OLD school fans we have in here.  

Did anyone get on board during FOAM?  

 

[Lenny]

1 hour ago, That Dude said:

Did anyone get on board during FOAM?  

 

No but some of us jumped ship 

[That Dude]

4 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

No but some of us jumped ship 

I'll be on the roof. 

But since people jumped ship, they probably don't know what to do tonight.  

ooh  ooh ooh.  

 

[Hermione]

8 hours ago, Sheenius said:

PM wasn't working but thanks for letting me get a chance to report that. 

You could have reported that instead of abusing the report system and then wouldn't have been suspended. Some of the ways of sending PMs unfortunately don't work at the moment. One that does is if you hover over someone's profile pic in a thread and select "message" from the box that pops up. Also you can always message any mod you want if you prefer to or you have an issue with the one you're dealing with.

[Lenny]

11 minutes ago, Hermione said:

You could have reported that instead of abusing the report system and then wouldn't have been suspended. Some of the ways of sending PMs unfortunately don't work at the moment. One that does is if you hover over someone's profile pic in a thread and select "message" from the box that pops up. Also you can always message any mod you want if you prefer to or you have an issue with the one you're dealing with.

I can literally fix all of the site issues here. 

[pcj]

11 hours ago, That Dude said:

It's interesting to hear what album got everybody into Green Day.   

Can we get a poll asking what album got you hooked on the band?  

I'm sure those numbers are kind of in line with how popular the albums are, but I'd love to hear from the outliers, or see how many OLD OLD school fans we have in here.  

Did anyone get on board during FOAM?  

 

I think I've mentioned this before, back in '91 a was getting bored with music it just wasn't hitting the spot. Then I heard Dry Ice on the radio. That was it, that's what I've been waiting for. Then I got my hands on Kerplunk, I was in love with a band and hooked for life. 

[That Dude]

2 minutes ago, pcj said:

I think I've mentioned this before, back in '91 a was getting bored with music it just wasn't hitting the spot. Then I heard Dry Ice on the radio. That was it, that's what I've been waiting for. Then I got my hands on Kerplunk, I was in love with a band and hooked for life. 

Kerplunk, nice!  You're definitely an old school fan. Possibly with the most years of Fandom on here unless there's someone that discovered them during or before their first album.