1972 project speculation thread

[GDFan2019]

1 hour ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Popular for collectors but in tiny numbers. They produce a few thousand of those where vinyl used to routinely sell in the hundreds of thousands or millions.  It’s the rarity that makes them valuable and therefore desirable to collectors to want to buy and the amount of people that just buy vinyl to play is very small so they will always be printed in small numbers.

I noticed at my local Walmart that they have a ton of vinyl records, and there's actually more Beatles records than Beatles CDs!!

[GDFan2019]

1 hour ago, Sanity Loan said:

I hope Rob is pre-Trilogy Green Day Rob in this process. He has been a critical part of what we all love about Green Day's music and I think it'll be important for him to be a "no" guy and help shape this record. That TikTok video showing the interaction between him and Billie Joe gives me some hope that will be the case.

With the last Green Day record he produced, the Trilogy, I think the whole three albums thing got in the way of allowing Rob to filter and have an impact on the songs, simply because of the amount of material. Getting things down to a standard album's worth of songs should allow him to do that.

Anyway, I'm happy Rob is back at the helm and that Chris Lord-Alge is involved. This is absolutely nothing against Chris Dugan in terms of producing (non-engineering) and mixing, but you cannot match Rob and CLA who are legends at their craft.

Especially the part when he's precisely critiquing Tré's performance. "I can't quite hear the toms there." and "Tré almost had a perfect take, believe it or not, except for a couple of places." and "He was so on it until like bar 100!" And the way Billie talks about dynamics, I think we're in for something big with lush string arrangements, and layers of harmonies!!!

[xWhatsername_]

I just went through 16 pages or so in this thread and we’re still where we were months ago-

And if I’m gonna add something myself, who cares if their new album doesn’t end up making it in the top 40? if anything, green day is always top one for me and that’s all I care about 

2023 here we come 

[The Grohl]

While it's fun to see Green Day in the top 40 and be in the mainstream's good graces, I'll just be happy that there's a new album. Always look forward to new GD music!

[That Dude]

Dang, it doesn't look like it's coming out at midnight tonight either.   

What a stupid album.   I don't like it.  

 

[Lenny]

14 hours ago, PluckyJokerhead said:

What you say about RevRad I half-agree with; although when I say with better production that kind of includes making the songs better? I'm not just talking about sonic production, I think a good producer would have heard what they had and said OK - that's a good start, now let's develop it from there and fix the weak spots. As a producer myself that's what I aim to do when people approach me with demos etc. and I think RevRad could've benefitted. I'm talking real record producers of course, Rob Cavallo, Butch Vig etc.

Not Butch fucking Walker.

You make a good point, I overlooked the fact that a good producer may help with song structures and they play an influence on what songs get into the tracklist. 

Totally agree about Butch Walker. Don't get me wrong he seems like a really nice, cool and enthusiastic guy but he was a total yes man with Green Day. He mentioned in an interview he wanted to be on a Green Day record, he's a fan. He also said in that same interview that FOAM is the most successful GD album since American Idiot.

So I guess he's enthusiastic, nice, cool and delusional. 

9 hours ago, xWhatsername_ said:

I just went through 16 pages or so in this thread and we’re still where we were months ago-

And if I’m gonna add something myself, who cares if their new album doesn’t end up making it in the top 40? if anything, green day is always top one for me and that’s all I care about 

2023 here we come 

Agreed, if they make it into the top 40 in 2023 then something is totally wrong with their new songs! 

 

9 hours ago, GDFan2019 said:

And the way Billie talks about dynamics, I think we're in for something big with lush string arrangements, and layers of harmonies!!!

Your best post yet. Dynamics are something that's been missing in Green Day's efforts since 21CB. 

It's one of the reasons why American Idiot songs are grandiose and are as impactful as they are. 

10 hours ago, Sanity Loan said:

I think it'll be important for him to be a "no" guy and help shape this record.

 

100%, the boys have been fucking lazy and lack discipline! 

Didn't Billie Joe say he wasn't going to play an older song because he's lazy? lol 

I get trying to tone things down after 2 huge eras like AI and 21CB but now this low-stress environment thing has stretched way too far and far too long. 

[GDFan2019]

53 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

Your best post yet. Dynamics are something that's been missing in Green Day's efforts since 21CB. 

It's one of the reasons why American Idiot songs are grandiose and are as impactful as they are. 

And meaningful lyrics. And given the 1972 theme of this project, I could see this being a rock opera based on events throughout Billie's childhood with characters based on himself, his family and friends, and possibly some references to Whatsername.

[Flashback]

Well American Idiot was really overcompressed until they remastered it around 2012. But this is no criticism since the album was released in 2004 and the loudness war was going on really strong at that time.

And I once saw a video of Andrew Scheps mixing Bang Bang and there he said that they indeed wanted quieter parts followed by louder parts, and the band instructed him by example to make the intro of Bang Bang quieter than the rest. So it was a decision and not by accident.

[AlienVisitor]

When is the album coming out ???  I hope they're at the last stage.. but i really do think the album will be out by December.. come on you dorks, release the album fasttttttttt

[Christian's Inferno!]

32 minutes ago, senti jamir said:

When is the album coming out ???  I hope they're at the last stage.. but i really do think the album will be out by December.. come on you dorks, release the album fasttttttttt

You're just wrong. The album is not going to be out until 2023. The band themselves have said that. And @Sanity Loan has also said that (and he's the only guy here who knows anything). Even if the album is likely finished, that doesn't mean that it's going to be released within the next couple months

[Insomniac90]

20 hours ago, GDFan2019 said:

The only mistake they made with RevRad was that it was self produced. I felt like there were times on the record that were a bit too soft, like the beginning of Too Dumb To Die, the “Oh oh I love you” part. And especially the acoustic guitar riff on Somewhere Now and Forever Now.

I disagree. It‘s exactly what they want. They wanted to sound it like that otherwise they wouldn‘t have record it. For ME RevRad was perfect and I love every second of it.

[nopride84]

3 hours ago, Flashback said:

 it was a decision and not by accident.

Obviously 

[pacejunkie punk]

It’s weird that Butch Walker’s defense as producer was “I just did what the band wanted!” when that is not really your job as producer. You need to be an impartial set of ears and tell the band what a song needs and how to make an album sound better. If you’re just doing what they tell you to do then what’s the point of you? A technical job is just an engineer. 

[Beerjeezus]

9 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

It’s weird that Butch Walker’s defense as producer was “I just did what the band wanted!” when that is not really your job as producer. You need to be an impartial set of ears and tell the band what a song needs and how to make an album sound better. If you’re just doing what they tell you to do then what’s the point of you? A technical job is just an engineer. 

To be a fly on the wall in that studio… the thing is, when you watch Quatro, it looks like Rob also did what the band wanted. Interesting that this keeps happening. Maybe the band (and by the band I mean Billie) is hard to persuade.

[GDFan2019]

13 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

It’s weird that Butch Walker’s defense as producer was “I just did what the band wanted!” when that is not really your job as producer. You need to be an impartial set of ears and tell the band what a song needs and how to make an album sound better. If you’re just doing what they tell you to do then what’s the point of you? A technical job is just an engineer. 

 

Just now, Beerjeezus said:

To be a fly on the wall in that studio… the thing is, when you watch Quatro, it looks like Rob also did what the band wanted. Interesting that this keeps happening. Maybe the band (and by the band I mean Billie) is hard to persuade.

I like his direction in that TikTok. “I can’t quite hear the toms there.” “I think going up to 170 might be good, so let’s try it.”

[pacejunkie punk]

13 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

To be a fly on the wall in that studio… the thing is, when you watch Quatro, it looks like Rob also did what the band wanted. Interesting that this keeps happening. Maybe the band (and by the band I mean Billie) is hard to persuade.

I agree by that point Rob had done that too, but that was unusual for him. Most of their weakest efforts are with weak producers or where the band produced themselves. The pattern should be pretty clear to them by now that I hope they knew for 1972 they needed some tough love to be better.

[Beerjeezus]

1 hour ago, GDFan2019 said:

I like his direction in that TikTok. “I can’t quite hear the toms there.” “I think going up to 170 might be good, so let’s try it.”

Yeah he’s being constructive. I imagine sometimes he gets to be like: “guys this is awesome, a fantastic idea, absolutely perfect, but let’s change it and see if we like it better”

[pacejunkie punk]

15 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

Yeah he’s being constructive. I imagine sometimes he gets to be like: “guys this is awesome, a fantastic idea, absolutely perfect, but let’s change it and see if we like it better”

Why do I feel like he’s really good at that — at hiding critique in a compliment. It’s the whole spoonful of sugar thing (what Billie needs to take his medicine 😄)

[Beerjeezus]

22 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Why do I feel like he’s really good at that — at hiding critique in a compliment. It’s the whole spoonful of sugar thing (what Billie needs to take his medicine 😄)

he’s had to learn a thing or two about it while producing rock bands  

[That Dude]

I want to press the button on Green Day's 17th studio album.  

Every time the band does anything, I'll just look Mike Dirnt square in the eyes and say "weirder".  

Billie and I will set up a clapping practice facility while Tre Cool and I will seek out the baseball bat Mike used to record with and see what kind of trouble we can get into with it.     We'll get an uber as to not get DUIs.  

At least two full albums will be lost because I don't know what the record button looks like.    

Duggey, you around here somewhere?????? HELP!  

 

 

 

[PluckyJokerhead]

13 hours ago, Flashback said:

Well American Idiot was really overcompressed until they remastered it around 2012. But this is no criticism since the album was released in 2004 and the loudness war was going on really strong at that time.

And I once saw a video of Andrew Scheps mixing Bang Bang and there he said that they indeed wanted quieter parts followed by louder parts, and the band instructed him by example to make the intro of Bang Bang quieter than the rest. So it was a decision and not by accident.

There's a difference between dynamics in an arrangement and the perceived loudness + mastering of a record though. You could take Letterbomb and squash it to shit (which is what they did on the CD) but it doesn't competely take away from those moments where everything drops out and it's just a single guitar up the middle. Songs like Outlaws and Bang Bang in RevRad would've achieved the same thing without having such stark changes in raw level.

(that said I do actually kind of enjoy that element of RevRad, kind of feels punk af just to scare the shit out of the listener when the massive wall of sound comes in. It's just a shame the overall mix + master imo wasn't sonically up to scratch)

[Lenny]

20 hours ago, Flashback said:

 the loudness war was going on really strong at that time.

 

Yes it was! Rush was heavily criticized for this in 2002 on Vapor Trails.

I personally don't mind it, the sound takes me back to a better time now. 

[GDFan2019]

8 hours ago, PluckyJokerhead said:

There's a difference between dynamics in an arrangement and the perceived loudness + mastering of a record though. You could take Letterbomb and squash it to shit (which is what they did on the CD) but it doesn't competely take away from those moments where everything drops out and it's just a single guitar up the middle. Songs like Outlaws and Bang Bang in RevRad would've achieved the same thing without having such stark changes in raw level.

(that said I do actually kind of enjoy that element of RevRad, kind of feels punk af just to scare the shit out of the listener when the massive wall of sound comes in. It's just a shame the overall mix + master imo wasn't sonically up to scratch)

Is Scheps known to mix his albums that way or did the guys just want it that way? Here's a list of his work, which includes a bunch of RHCP albums. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Scheps#Discography

[AlienVisitor]

I hope we get a new single by the fall of this year.. that would be the perfect Christmas present 

[PluckyJokerhead]

7 hours ago, GDFan2019 said:

Is Scheps known to mix his albums that way or did the guys just want it that way? Here's a list of his work, which includes a bunch of RHCP albums. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Scheps#Discography

He is, his mixing style tends to be to remove quite a lot of dynamic range for the sake of 'excitement'. It can work for some albums, others not so much. For reference he also mixed Too Much Too Soon so it's clear that he is in fact capable of achieving a great sound with Green Day although in that case I'm sure the stems he received were far more polished from the start having been part of American Idiot with Rob as a producer etc.

He also uses Eric Boulanger for mastering who is also known for killing all dynamic range on many records (although to be fair tracks from Scheps will already be squashed and there's not a whole lot he'd be able to do there)