1972 project speculation thread

[GDFan2019]

2 minutes ago, legendary said:

I highly doubt they will stop to making new records soon. Billie seems to be a workaholic composer. 

I agree!!! They're going to be like the Rolling Stones, still touring in their 70s and well into their 80s!!!!

[localinsomniac]

As long as they stay away from vacuum cleaners, they'll be playing shows forever

[Clockwise]

 

22 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

...yes, touring

It's your post that posited traveling to play shows one-day a week. That's all I'm responding to lol. That is very different to the kind of tours we're used to, and they would have more time to write and record at home. 

26 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

You don't think they'll ever go back to the traditional arena/ampitheater tour like RevRad?

They probably will, as we know they just say things sometimes. We shouldn't take it as a given.

[Beerjeezus]

1 hour ago, Clockwise said:

 

It's your post that posited traveling to play shows one-day a week. That's all I'm responding to lol. That is very different to the kind of tours we're used to, and they would have more time to write and record at home. 

I have no interest in debating the difference between a "tour" and "touring," we're not in a linguistics class

[Clockwise]

43 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

I have no interest in debating the difference between a "tour" and "touring," we're not in a linguistics class

[Beerjeezus]

10 minutes ago, Clockwise said:

kinda cringe but okay

[PluckyJokerhead]

4 hours ago, Alf said:

I think that if 1972 be a big hit, they won't release another record for a long while. Maybe this would even be their last if that was the case

 

It's gonna be a hit for sure. I have total faith in Rob Cavallo and CLA, this going to be Green Day how they're meant to sound and it's gonna chart and everybody is gonna love and we're gonna be like fuck yes 👌 They won't reach AI level again obviously, because rock isn't as big as it was then -- but like, I reckon it's gonna be at least as successful as recent mainstream rock albums.

Trust me people Green Day are fucking coming back and I'm so hyped. Imagine RevRad had AI level production -- that would've gone down as a legendary Green Day album. That's what we're in for

[That Dude]

5 hours ago, Alf said:

At this point of Green Day's career, I doubt we are getting records more often. I think that every new record could be their last and we should prepare for that

Viagra Boys and Highly Suspect are gunning for my #1 spot.  

Maybe even Flogging Molly, Blink or Against Me!  

 

2 hours ago, Clockwise said:

NEW ALBUM COVER THIS! 

[That Dude]

I'm watching that awesome video over on @96tomato and I think I've cracked the code of 1972.  

It just doesn't make sense as an album title or even a song title.   

Green Day are changing their name to 1972 in 2023, because Green Day's a stupid name that three pot heads came up with a hundred years ago, and that's not what Green Day are about.   

Green Day were a rock band. 

1972's gonna be a wild n crazy punk band, even wilder than MAX CREEPS.  

whoa, it took me so long to remember MAX CREEPS.   Yeah, 1972 are going to be better than those guys in every way.    barf.    

 

[GDFan2019]

4 hours ago, PluckyJokerhead said:

 

It's gonna be a hit for sure. I have total faith in Rob Cavallo and CLA, this going to be Green Day how they're meant to sound and it's gonna chart and everybody is gonna love and we're gonna be like fuck yes 👌 They won't reach AI level again obviously, because rock isn't as big as it was then -- but like, I reckon it's gonna be at least as successful as recent mainstream rock albums.

Trust me people Green Day are fucking coming back and I'm so hyped. Imagine RevRad had AI level production -- that would've gone down as a legendary Green Day album. That's what we're in for

Do you see their next single debuting at number 1 on the Top 40 Billboard chart?

[Lenny]

10 hours ago, Alf said:

At this point of Green Day's career, I doubt we are getting records more often. I think that every new record could be their last and we should prepare for that

Everyone is going to hate this post but it's true. Look at what happened with the Foo Fighters. 

1 hour ago, GDFan2019 said:

Do you see their next single debuting at number 1 on the Top 40 Billboard chart?

I don't even see it bubbling under

[Lenny]

5 hours ago, PluckyJokerhead said:

 

 I have total faith in Rob Cavallo and CLA, this going to be Green Day how they're meant to sound and it's gonna chart and everybody is gonna love and we're gonna be like fuck yes 👌 They won't reach AI level again obviously, because rock isn't as big as it was then -- but like, I reckon it's gonna be at least as successful as recent mainstream rock albums.

Trust me people Green Day are fucking coming back and I'm so hyped. Imagine RevRad had AI level production -- that would've gone down as a legendary Green Day album. That's what we're in for

I have total faith in them as well but remember they were also on the trilogy. I disagree about the RevRad comment though, better production isn't going to make it a cohesive album. The middle of the album lacks. Sparkling those songs up aren't going to make them better songs. Rev Rad is not a bad album overall, but it could be considered somewhat of an average or bad GD album based on them having an above average catalog of albums. 

I want to be cautious about my optimism for their next effort but I am acknowledging the steps they have taken by actually going into real studios and bringing back some key personnel from their previous successes. The songs and album still need to be cohesive though and there's a level of professionalism they will need to return to. The album cover shouldn't be made on Billie Joe's iphone this time, they should call an end to that era. They also may need to actually go out and promote the album, this whole low stress thing they've implemented from the trilogy is not going to help them at all. 

A success would be having about 2-3 lasting singles from the album in airplay rotation. FOAMF had two singles in rotation but they never were in the rotation together and were basically pulled shortly after release. 

 

Making a long story short: for 1972 to be a success Billie needs to write some songs, they need to be professional and most importantly no fucking ketchup font album covers!

 

[GDFan2019]

43 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

The album cover shouldn't be made on Billie Joe's iphone this time, they should call an end to that era.

 

I remember the Trilogy cover photos were edited on their iPhones, and I have a theory that the Trilogy would’ve been much more successful if Billie didn’t meltdown at iHeart and then go into rehab. They would’ve been around to promote it, put out a few more singles and made proper music videos, instead of generic videos like Stray Heart with the guy with the heart head, and X-Kid, which was just a video of a cassette tape player.

43 minutes ago, Sheenius said:

A success would be having about 2-3 lasting singles from the album in airplay rotation. FOAMF had two singles in rotation but they never were in the rotation together and were basically pulled shortly after release. 

Yeah I only heard Father of All… once on my local alternative station (ALT 92.3 NY) and Oh Yeah maybe twice, and that was it. Listeners can text LIKE or DISLIKE to the station, so that’s probably what happened. But Weezer’s End of the Game, having been released on the same day, actually stayed in rotation for months

[Little Boy Named Booze]

What we really need for 1972 to be a success is Frank Storm playing the drum and answering his goddamn text.

[Christian's Inferno!]

I personally don't think 1972 is going to reach Green Day's golden age which was 1994-2009. But I'd be very happy to be proven wrong

In terms of commercial success, I don't see them getting to 21CB success, never mind AI/Dookie. Obviously, it's a given that in terms of pure album sales none of their pre-2012 albums will be surpassed just because of how the market is currently for album sales. But this album would need to make a big impact in terms of streaming, they would need to have at least 1 single reach 100 million streams on spotify at least fairly quickly and the non-singles would probably reach at minimum 10+ million within that same time (for comparison, Still Breathing is currently on 92 million since its release and the non-singles range from 11-26 million). Ik they'd probably get a lot of shit for it calling them a sell out but I wouldn't mind them collaborating with a well known artist or band in order to get a successful single as long as the artist(s) they collab with works well in the song

But commercial success doesn't really matter. As long as the album is good, that's the main thing. I just can't see them reaching the peaks of Dookie, American Idiot & 21st Century Breakdown again. But again, I'm happy if I get proven wrong. I do want them to do something different. FOAMF was somewhat different but for me, the quality just wasn't there on the different songs or even a lot of the more Green Day sounding tracks. People point to Sugar Youth being one of the best tracks but it's still just standard Green Day imo, nothing more. I'd be pretty happy with an album which meets the quality of RevRad. While it's still far from my favourite album, it is still solid throughout the entire album even if there are tracks I don't particularly care for or if the peaks of the album don't reach the peaks of other albums

[GDFan2019]

7 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

I personally don't think 1972 is going to reach Green Day's golden age which was 1994-2009. But I'd be very happy to be proven wrong

In terms of commercial success, I don't see them getting to 21CB success, never mind AI/Dookie. Obviously, it's a given that in terms of pure album sales none of their pre-2012 albums will be surpassed just because of how the market is currently for album sales. But this album would need to make a big impact in terms of streaming, they would need to have at least 1 single reach 100 million streams on spotify at least fairly quickly and the non-singles would probably reach at minimum 10+ million within that same time (for comparison, Still Breathing is currently on 92 million since its release and the non-singles range from 11-26 million). Ik they'd probably get a lot of shit for it calling them a sell out but I wouldn't mind them collaborating with a well known artist or band in order to get a successful single as long as the artist(s) they collab with works well in the song

But commercial success doesn't really matter. As long as the album is good, that's the main thing. I just can't see them reaching the peaks of Dookie, American Idiot & 21st Century Breakdown again. But again, I'm happy if I get proven wrong. I do want them to do something different. FOAMF was somewhat different but for me, the quality just wasn't there on the different songs or even a lot of the more Green Day sounding tracks. People point to Sugar Youth being one of the best tracks but it's still just standard Green Day imo, nothing more. I'd be pretty happy with an album which meets the quality of RevRad. While it's still far from my favourite album, it is still solid throughout the entire album even if there are tracks I don't particularly care for or if the peaks of the album don't reach the peaks of other albums

Don‘t forget vinyl record sales, and especially the special edition colored vinyl. Vinyl records are once again wildly popular in album sales

[PluckyJokerhead]

9 hours ago, Sheenius said:

Making a long story short: for 1972 to be a success Billie needs to write some songs, they need to be professional and most importantly no fucking ketchup font album covers!

You're definitely right. I do say most of that under the assumption that they're actually going to make an effort with the the entire record, i.e the promotion, album art, everything. Which I think they will if they've made a point of bringing back the best people to help with the record's production.

Of course the songwriting needs to be good - and there I actually have no doubts to be honest? Again, as long as they actually try for the first time in a while to produce a proper Green Day record, Billie's songwriting judging by some of The Network stuff and The Longshot hasn't dwindled. Love is for Losers has some of my favourite writing since American Idiot to be honest so it's clear he's still capable.

 

What you say about RevRad I half-agree with; although when I say with better production that kind of includes making the songs better? I'm not just talking about sonic production, I think a good producer would have heard what they had and said OK - that's a good start, now let's develop it from there and fix the weak spots. As a producer myself that's what I aim to do when people approach me with demos etc. and I think RevRad could've benefitted. I'm talking real record producers of course, Rob Cavallo, Butch Vig etc.

Not Butch fucking Walker.

[GDFan2019]

19 minutes ago, PluckyJokerhead said:

You're definitely right. I do say most of that under the assumption that they're actually going to make an effort with the the entire record, i.e the promotion, album art, everything. Which I think they will if they've made a point of bringing back the best people to help with the record's production.

Of course the songwriting needs to be good - and there I actually have no doubts to be honest? Again, as long as they actually try for the first time in a while to produce a proper Green Day record, Billie's songwriting judging by some of The Network stuff and The Longshot hasn't dwindled. Love is for Losers has some of my favourite writing since American Idiot to be honest so it's clear he's still capable.

 

What you say about RevRad I half-agree with; although when I say with better production that kind of includes making the songs better? I'm not just talking about sonic production, I think a good producer would have heard what they had and said OK - that's a good start, now let's develop it from there and fix the weak spots. As a producer myself that's what I aim to do when people approach me with demos etc. and I think RevRad could've benefitted. I'm talking real record producers of course, Rob Cavallo, Butch Vig etc.

Not Butch fucking Walker.

The only mistake they made with RevRad was that it was self produced. I felt like there were times on the record that were a bit too soft, like the beginning of Too Dumb To Die, the “Oh oh I love you” part. And especially the acoustic guitar riff on Somewhere Now and Forever Now.

[Mato]

While they are related terms, some people still don't know how to separate mixing with overall production of the record.

[GDFan2019]

10 minutes ago, Mato said:

While they are related terms, some people still don't know how to separate mixing with overall production of the record.

Although they did have help on RevRad with mixing. It was mixed by Andrew Scheps

[pacejunkie punk]

2 hours ago, GDFan2019 said:

Don‘t forget vinyl record sales, and especially the special edition colored vinyl. Vinyl records are once again wildly popular in album sales

Popular for collectors but in tiny numbers. They produce a few thousand of those where vinyl used to routinely sell in the hundreds of thousands or millions.  It’s the rarity that makes them valuable and therefore desirable to collectors to want to buy and the amount of people that just buy vinyl to play is very small so they will always be printed in small numbers.

[Gwen Stacy]

11 hours ago, Sheenius said:

The songs and album still need to be cohesive though and there's a level of professionalism they will need to return to. The album cover shouldn't be made on Billie Joe's iphone this time, they should call an end to that era. They also may need to actually go out and promote the album, this whole low stress thing they've implemented from the trilogy is not going to help them at all. 

Making a long story short: for 1972 to be a success Billie needs to write some songs, they need to be professional and most importantly no fucking ketchup font album covers!

So much this.

[That Dude]

When will we transition over to the 1972 authority and community? 

Transistors

gone wild. 

 

[legendary]

I think is really hard to any new song compete to the classics, don’t matter how much good they are. 

[Sanity Loan]

3 hours ago, PluckyJokerhead said:

What you say about RevRad I half-agree with; although when I say with better production that kind of includes making the songs better? I'm not just talking about sonic production, I think a good producer would have heard what they had and said OK - that's a good start, now let's develop it from there and fix the weak spots. As a producer myself that's what I aim to do when people approach me with demos etc. and I think RevRad could've benefitted. I'm talking real record producers of course, Rob Cavallo, Butch Vig etc.

I hope Rob is pre-Trilogy Green Day Rob in this process. He has been a critical part of what we all love about Green Day's music and I think it'll be important for him to be a "no" guy and help shape this record. That TikTok video showing the interaction between him and Billie Joe gives me some hope that will be the case.

With the last Green Day record he produced, the Trilogy, I think the whole three albums thing got in the way of allowing Rob to filter and have an impact on the songs, simply because of the amount of material. Getting things down to a standard album's worth of songs should allow him to do that.

Anyway, I'm happy Rob is back at the helm and that Chris Lord-Alge is involved. This is absolutely nothing against Chris Dugan in terms of producing (non-engineering) and mixing, but you cannot match Rob and CLA who are legends at their craft.