1972 project speculation thread

[Beerjeezus]

I don’t know if you can standardize a green day song… i mean, here comes the shart has everything you would expect a green day song to have and yet…

[Clockwise]

6 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

I mean it's not really a matter of them not trying as hard anymore. I think they do still try hard and I've not said otherwise. The trilogy was possibly the most effort they put into a project. It's just with how many songs were on the trilogy, it would be unreasonable to expect every song to be on the same level as all their prior albums. RevRad was largely a return to form, at least in terms of consistency as the vast majority of tracks on that album easily exceed that bar of quality with the exception of maybe Youngblood and Ordinary World. FOAMF is the only album they've released where I think a significant portion of the album doesn't exceed the expected quality of a Green Day song. Idk if it needs to be said but of course this is just my opinion.

That's definitely implied when you say the bar has been lowered in terms of song quality, though. My point is that your opinion has nothing to do with the bar they set for themselves.

[MillenniumFan]

5 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

I'm not comfortable saying FOAMF is a good album. It's definitely a bad Green Day album. Saying it's a bad album though, I can't say whether I agree with that or not. What I will say though is I can't blame people for thinking it is a bad album. There are definitely tracks there which to this day I just can't understand the band making and saying "Yeah this is fine, put it on the album". It has good tracks but even these tracks are tracks that aren't that good by Green Day standards. Even these tracks have at least one element that makes them not as good as they could be whether that be feeling too short/incomplete, lacking originality, lacking good production, random high pitched vocals

I don't think my hopes for 1972 are as high as some people here but I think it will probably be better than FOAMF. It'll probably be a RevRad type album, an album which is solid but doesn't reach the peaks of AI or 21CB. Which is ok, not many albums can reach those peaks

I consider 1994-2009 to be the golden era of Green Day. It's Green Day doing what they do best. I think during that time, they were very particular about the quality of each song, every song they released had to meet a certain bar to be released. Since the trilogy, it seems like that bar has been lowered as there have been a number of songs that I think don't meet that threshold

Though I think things are a bit more complicated, I largely agree. In some ways, it’s amazing that they were even able to ride the wave for that long. Most bands enter and exit what you could call their peak much more quickly.

There’s also a few points I’d like to add:

The trilogy had massive potential. The band definitely put an insane amount of effort into 21CB (mostly production-wise, I mean just listen to how many different layers, sounds and effects each song has), but it very nearly distroyed them (certainly Billie). I love how they sounded live in 09/10, but it’s hard to ignore that things were starting to go wrong behind the scenes, already then.

The trilogy was therefore intended to be the logical next step, that is to say, a return to a more stripped down and light-hearted, tongue-in-cheek Green Day. Part of this could be felt at the beginning of the trilogy tour. It was an exciting time to be a Green Day fan.

Unfortunately, the execution sucked, big time. And I honestly blame Cavallo for this too. For whatever reason, he either didn’t put his foot down (quite likely, seeing what he knew the band was capable of) or made all the wrong decisions, but either way, the end product came across as overblown, ill-judged and even spiritless in some areas, which coupled with the iHeart incident made for a complete PR disaster. 

RevRad was, as a packaged-deal, already a lot better, but it lacked the edge, punch and finish to make a GD record really shine and that is also down to production.

In terms of where FOAM went wrong, I would agree with your points, but once again, I think production plays a huge role. And I don’t like any of Walker’s previous work, so this isn’t surprising to me. 

In many ways, the trilogy, RevRad and FOAM all seem like (well-intentioned) overcorrections. 

First it was, “hey it was a lot of fun making another epic AI style rock opera, but damn that was exhausting too, let’s go have some no-strings-attached fun with our next record” (*escalates*).

Then it was, “ok, so people kinded hated all three albums with a passion, so how about we play it safe and make a classic Green Day album, but do it ourselves to have full control” (*lacks oomph and finish*).

Lastly it was, “ok, so people kinda liked that, but compared to how much work we put in, it’s not doing as well commercially as we’re used to, we’re struggling to sell out arenas and some people said we were playing it too safe, guess it’s time to wing it yall looolllz”.

Part of me thinks the band realised this, so whilst I’m not getting my hopes up too much, I am still interested to see where they’re going to take things for the upcoming record. 

[Red]

3 hours ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said:

I think they're the same incident. It happened at one of the shows on the Summer North American RevRad Tour 

I think it's here

 

This shows it better

https://fb.watch/f3tYfT_W4J/

I was thinking when reading the comments "how have I not heard of this?" and "holy shit this sounds super serious, he destroyed someone's car? wtf!" 

Then I watched the video you linked and now I know why I didn't hear about it.

This is just Green Day being Green Day. I don't see anything wrong or controversial about it. 

It's not even a comparison to the iheart thing. 

[Red]

7 hours ago, MillenniumFan said:

Though I think things are a bit more complicated, I largely agree. In some ways, it’s amazing that they were even able to ride the wave for that long. Most bands enter and exit what you could call their peak much more quickly.

There’s also a few points I’d like to add:

The trilogy had massive potential. The band definitely put an insane amount of effort into 21CB (mostly production-wise, I mean just listen to how many different layers, sounds and effects each song has), but it very nearly distroyed them (certainly Billie). I love how they sounded live in 09/10, but it’s hard to ignore that things were starting to go wrong behind the scenes, already then.

The trilogy was therefore intended to be the logical next step, that is to say, a return to a more stripped down and light-hearted, tongue-in-cheek Green Day. Part of this could be felt at the beginning of the trilogy tour. It was an exciting time to be a Green Day fan.

Unfortunately, the execution sucked, big time. And I honestly blame Cavallo for this too. For whatever reason, he either didn’t put his foot down (quite likely, seeing what he knew the band was capable off) or made all the wrong decisions, but either way, the end product came accross as overblown, ill-judged and even spiritless in some areas, which coupled with the iHeart incident made for a complete PR disaster. 

RevRad was, as a packaged-deal, already a lot better, but it lacked the edge, punch and finish to make a GD record really shine and that is also down to production.

In terms of where FOAM went wrong, I would agree with your points, but once again, I think production plays a huge role. And I don’t like any of Walker’s previous work, so this isn’t surprising to me. 

In many ways, the trilogy, RevRad and FOAM all seem like (well-intentioned) overcorrections. 

First it was, “hey it was a lot of fun making another epic AI style rock opera, but damn that was exhausting too, let’s go have some no-strings-attached fun with our next record” (*escalates*).

Then it was, “ok, so people kinded hated all three albums with a passion, so how about we play it safe and make a classic Green Day album, but do it ourselves to have full control” (*lacks oomph and finish*).

Lastly it was, “ok, so people kinda liked that, but compared to how much work we put in, it’s not doing as well commercially as we’re used to, we’re struggling to sell out arenas and some people said we were playing it too safe, guess it’s time to wing it yall looolllz”.

Part of me thinks the band realised this, so whilst I’m not getting my hopes up too much, I am still interested to see where they’re going to take things for the upcoming record. 

It's hard for us to put a grasp on exactly what happened, but from my perspective I think you pretty much nailed it. 

None of these albums are bad, in fact Revrad is my 3rd favourite album behind AI and 21CB but could they have been better? Absolutely. 

Whatever the band do next, I'm sure I'll like, because again, there isn't a single record they've put out that I genuinely dislike aside from a couple of songs on Dos and whatever "Oh Yeah" was. Yes, from a vocal standpoint some are more cringy than others, but I'm here for the music. The vocals are just the icing on the cake for me. 

I'm really grateful that they're even still doing new music at all, but I just think it's late now whether they want to admit it or not and they need to start thinking about how they want to be remembered. If that's by putting out stuff like FOAM, then fine.. It's what they'll do, but I don't think it is how they want to be remembered and them already completely ditching the album's songs and marketing mid tour and going in a completely different direction with 1972 seems to be living proof of that. 

[pacejunkie punk]

15 minutes ago, Red said:

I was thinking when reading the comments "how have I not heard of this?" and "holy shit this sounds super serious, he destroyed someone's car? wtf!" 

Then I watched the video you linked and now I know why I didn't hear about it.

This is just Green Day being Green Day. I don't see anything wrong or controversial about it. 

It's not even a comparison to the iheart thing. 

It wasn't. The videos were pretty funny even at the time and no one made any kind of thing about it.  I think Billie just had a momentary anti-capitalist impulse seeing the sponsor car sitting there alongside the audience. He decided in the moment to take a swing at it.  He didn't even make a dent which caused Mike to make a funny comment at the time about how "Subarus are rock solid!" It was funny and no one cared.

[GDFan2019]

59 minutes ago, Red said:

I was thinking when reading the comments "how have I not heard of this?" and "holy shit this sounds super serious, he destroyed someone's car? wtf!" 

Then I watched the video you linked and now I know why I didn't hear about it.

This is just Green Day being Green Day. I don't see anything wrong or controversial about it. 

It's not even a comparison to the iheart thing. 

Yeah it looked like it was staged

[Zebahar]

1 hour ago, pacejunkie punk said:

It wasn't. The videos were pretty funny even at the time and no one made any kind of thing about it.  I think Billie just had a momentary anti-capitalist impulse seeing the sponsor car sitting there alongside the audience. He decided in the moment to take a swing at it.  He didn't even make a dent which caused Mike to make a funny comment at the time about how "Subarus are rock solid!" It was funny and no one cared.

I was one of the people huddle around him when he was hitting the car. I have the video somewhere. 

I'm not sure if it was staged, but everyone in the area was laughing about it when he did it. If you look at the swings too, they definitely seemed a bit weak.

Then again, he's swinging this guitar and could've easily hit someone in the head. I'm sure he realized that and had to work around that.

[Beerjeezus]

This absolutely was a schtick  Not sure if it was planned (I suppose there’d be more publicity if it was), but it definitely wasn’t a fit of rage

[pacejunkie punk]

48 minutes ago, Zebahar said:

I was one of the people huddle around him when he was hitting the car. I have the video somewhere. 

I'm not sure if it was staged, but everyone in the area was laughing about it when he did it. If you look at the swings too, they definitely seemed a bit weak.

Then again, he's swinging this guitar and could've easily hit someone in the head. I'm sure he realized that and had to work around that.

Plus his angle was awkward wasn’t it? It looked like it was high on a platform and he had to swing up to hit it, the poor little man 😄 and as you say he probably couldn’t swing back very far because of the people behind him. It was one of those poorly thought out ideas.

42 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

This absolutely was a schtick  Not sure if it was planned (I suppose there’d be more publicity if it was), but it definitely wasn’t a fit of rage

No I remember from the video he was like “I want to smash that thing. Give me a guitar!” He sounded pretty pleased with himself

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

6 hours ago, Zebahar said:

If Billie had wanted the big bucks though then why would he have toured shitty clubs in the US with The Longshot that probably barely broke even? Just a thought

[Jon Benjamin]

CLA posted a pic with Tre

[GDFan2019]

15 minutes ago, Jon Benjamin said:

CLA posted a pic with Tre

https://www.instagram.com/p/ChlJ3F6vs6S/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[localinsomniac]

That sweater is Mr. Rogers, Rick Nielsen and Tron all at once and it's...

...holy Toledo, it's $1500

[GDFan2019]

17 minutes ago, localinsomniac said:

That sweater is Mr. Rogers, Rick Nielsen and Tron all at once and it's...

...holy Toledo, it's $1500

Everything Gucci makes is mad expensive!!!!

[localinsomniac]

21 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said:

Everything Gucci makes is mad expensive!!!!

I didn't recognize the logo. The whole thing just looked like something a clown sees in a fever dream 

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

3 hours ago, localinsomniac said:

I didn't recognize the logo. The whole thing just looked like something a clown sees in a fever dream 

He has the whole suit! It's hideous not gonna lie  I guess Tré did go to clown school! 

[Big Neil]

I really hope something happens soon. It’s been almost year or more of teases. It is probably going to be better than Here Comes the Shock or Pollyanna. If not this is not worth all this speculation. 

So glad about the Chicago shows with the surprise set list and snippet of Oh Love. Hopefully that is a hint of things to come.

[jengd]

1 hour ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said:

He has the whole suit! It's hideous not gonna lie  I guess Tré did go to clown school! 

Look closer, the two tops are different, he has at least 3 pieces of that collection.  

[GuitarPunk94]

15 hours ago, GDFan2019 said:

I have a feeling we could be getting an announcement in September if this cycle ends up being similar to FOAM

waaake mee uuuup ...

😄

no seriously, its really hard to guess the right time for announcement/single release/lp release

they planned to tour europe at the end of this year, maybe they will do a proper tour (gd only shows) in mid/late 2023, lp release in early/spring 2023 would make sense to push ticket sales, album release in feb/march/april 2023 seems very likely to me

but will they start full promo in 2022, or right when 2023 begins?

[Insomniac90]

Do we know the current Status of the recording process? 
The TikTok Videos can be a few weeks old. I mean they released 4-5 Videos per week. Now we get maybe 1 per week out of the studio? And no one knows how old the videos are. We will see. Yeah they planned a tour in EU but I think they didn‘t cancelled because of the Covid situation. Maybe they wanted to finish the record first before doing another tour without a release. 

[localinsomniac]

I dunno why, but I feel like maybe this thing is in the can or close to it, and they're just biding their time. For what purpose? Feck knows

[Jankowski576]

1 hour ago, Insomniac90 said:

Do we know the current Status of the recording process? 
The TikTok Videos can be a few weeks old. I mean they released 4-5 Videos per week. Now we get maybe 1 per week out of the studio? And no one knows how old the videos are. We will see. Yeah they planned a tour in EU but I think they didn‘t cancelled because of the Covid situation. Maybe they wanted to finish the record first before doing another tour without a release. 

Judging by the last photo of Tre with CLA it seems like they’re still finishing mixing

[Little Boy Named Booze]

Can we have an announcement for godsake

[Insomniac90]

17 minutes ago, Jankowski576 said:

Judging by the last photo of Tre with CLA it seems like they’re still finishing mixing

So we can get an announcement anytime in the near future.

Rammstein announced their latest album 6 weeks before its release. I think Green Day won‘t do the same but single release i. November/December with tour announcement is possible.