1972 project speculation thread

[Jankowski576]

1 minute ago, Insomniac90 said:

Thought FOAM was their last one with Warner/Reprise

They resigned with them for distro I believe

[Red]

4 hours ago, Beerjeezus said:

It was the mix of their team desperately trying to make them look hip and the band seemingly less than confident about their new music… I wish the spray tan never happened, that was the lowest point

i hope Crush got a lesson from that and this ride doesn’t repeat again when 1972 promo comes

100% this.

I have been very vocal about not necessarily "hating" the album and to it's credit, the 2nd half of it is actually pretty decent. I honestly don't think Green Day have ever put out a "bad" album in general, but I think most of us can agree that it's a bad "Green Day" album.

I mean, look at the quality of their discography from the very beginning compared to many other popular artists. They're very consistent with putting out good music and I mean all of it, not just the singles... but I strongly believe that compared to pretty much every other Green Day album (including side projects) FOAM is the lowest quality record the band has ever put out and the attitude that they displayed during this era wasn't necessarily doing it any favours. While I am ultimately glad I ended up with a few new Green Day songs that I really like, it probably should have been a side project instead in my honest opinion.

[Beerjeezus]

10 minutes ago, Red said:

100% this.

I have been very vocal about not necessarily "hating" the album and to it's credit, the 2nd half of it is actually pretty decent. I honestly don't think Green Day have ever put out a "bad" album in general, but I think most of us can agree that it's a bad "Green Day" album.

I mean, look at the quality of their discography from the very beginning compared to many other popular artists. They're very consistent with putting out good music and I mean all of it, not just the singles... but I strongly believe that compared to pretty much every other Green Day album (including side projects) FOAM is the lowest quality record the band has ever put out and the attitude that they displayed during this era wasn't necessarily doing it any favours. While I am ultimately glad I ended up with a few new Green Day songs that I really like, it probably should have been a side project instead in my honest opinion.

I wouldn’t say it’s a bad album. It’s fun. I enjoy it, but mainly for the catchy songs than for anything deeper, but that’s not a bad thing, it’s just that I find deeper layers in other Green Day albums and that gives them more relisten value and I have more of a connection to them. It would work as another Foxboro album. They’ve borrowed a lot from a bunch of 60s songs for both records.

[Red]

10 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

I wouldn’t say it’s a bad album. It’s fun. I enjoy it, but mainly for the catchy songs than for anything deeper, but that’s not a bad thing, it’s just that I find deeper layers in other Green Day albums and that gives them more relisten value and I have more of a connection to them. It would work as another Foxboro album. They’ve borrowed a lot from a bunch of 60s songs for both records.

I agree with that.

As a Foxboro Hot Tubs album, with a tiny bit of tweaking and a more raw, less gimmicky feel (like losing the pew pew lasers) it could have been a decent little follow up to SD&R. Like I said, I am glad I got some of those songs, and they're definitely fun... but in terms of the band's main project legacy, I just don't think it's worthy of living up to the standards they've set for themselves.

I think it's pretty safe to say that the whole era just came off as pretty disingenuous and I hope that 1972 marks the beginning of a new, more genuine and honest era for the band. No one knows how long we are on this earth for, and this late into the band's career, I strongly feel like there's no room for tarnishing their legacy with albums that every member can't unanimously agree that they're proud of and fully believe in.

[Mr. Shluffy]

Green Day is one of my two favorite bands and I am very comfortable saying FOAM is bad. Their worst by an order of magnitude. I liked the title track and Meet Me on the Roof, the rest can be chucked in the bin. 1972 has a very low bar to clear for me and I expect the boys will with ease.

[龑美優]

I know that most people think FOAM is mostly trash that can be thrown away but I'm very comfortable saying I think it is a genuinely good record. I enjoyed it when it was released and I still do. Is it my favorite? Probably not. I do however think it is overhated and I'm not afraid to say I like things that I find genuine joy in. 

 

Hyped for the new album & i hope that it hits me on an emotional level. Green Day are at their best when their music and lyrics hit home. I will say that something like RR definitely hit harder on an emotional level than FOAM did and I hope they can keep up that sort of magic we all know they are capable of capturing. i still get chills listening to Forever Now. 

[Insomniac1984]

34 minutes ago, 龑美優 (Miyu Yan) said:

I know that most people think FOAM is mostly trash that can be thrown away but I'm very comfortable saying I think it is a genuinely good record. I enjoyed it when it was released and I still do. Is it my favorite? Probably not. I do however think it is overhated and I'm not afraid to say I like things that I find genuine joy in. 

 

Hyped for the new album & i hope that it hits me on an emotional level. Green Day are at their best when their music and lyrics hit home. I will say that something like RR definitely hit harder on an emotional level than FOAM did and I hope they can keep up that sort of magic we all know they are capable of capturing. i still get chills listening to Forever Now. 

The bolded part reminded me the times when WARNING was released... so many people hated that record. However, I enjoyed it almost the whole record. Time went by, and now tracks I considered bad/meh like "Misery" or "Hold On" are underrated GD gems.

Maybe, and I just say maybe, this could happen to FOAM. Nowadays it has happened to the Trilogy, too.

[GDFan2019]

16 minutes ago, Insomniac1984 said:

The bolded part reminded me the times when WARNING was released... so many people hated that record. However, I enjoyed it almost the whole record. Time went by, and now tracks I considered bad/meh like "Misery" or "Hold On" are underrated GD gems.

Maybe, and I just say maybe, this could happen to FOAM. Nowadays it has happened to the Trilogy, too.

The harmonica makes Hold On and Walking Alone sound so Beatlesque!!! I hope 1972 has the harmonica and some lush piano ballads too!!!

[Red]

1 hour ago, 龑美優 (Miyu Yan) said:

I'm very comfortable saying I think it is a genuinely good record. I enjoyed it when it was released and I still do. Is it my favorite? Probably not. I do however think it is overhated and I'm not afraid to say I like things that I find genuine joy in. 

It's definitely a good record, just not a good Green Day record. 

It's still better than a lot of the other music I hear on the radio these days.

However, in terms of a casual audience perspective, most people seem to not have any good things to say about it and I think that's too important to ignore when literally any of their albums at this stage in their career could be their last as the band as we know them. Would you be satisfied if FOAM was the last Green Day record ever made? I know I wouldn't and I doubt they would be satisfied about that either. 

I'm not trying to be overly negative, just realistic. Starting with 1972 I think the band really should start taking what they put out a lot more seriously and start treating every album as if it were their last one, at least when it comes to quality assurance. 

[GDFan2019]

3 hours ago, Mr. Shluffy said:

Green Day is one of my two favorite bands and I am very comfortable saying FOAM is bad. Their worst by an order of magnitude. I liked the title track and Meet Me on the Roof, the rest can be chucked in the bin. 1972 has a very low bar to clear for me and I expect the boys will with ease.

I wouldn't say FOAM is bad, I love it, but it's not maximum Green Day

[Reverend Strychnine Twitch]

I hope we have an Insomniac or Dookie type album cover. Those two are my favourites. 

[alienlifeform]

20 minutes ago, Red said:

100% this.

I have been very vocal about not necessarily "hating" the album and to it's credit, the 2nd half of it is actually pretty decent. I honestly don't think Green Day have ever put out a "bad" album in general, but I think most of us can agree that it's a bad "Green Day" album.

I mean, look at the quality of their discography from the very beginning compared to many other popular artists. They're very consistent with putting out good music and I mean all of it, not just the singles... but I strongly believe that compared to pretty much every other Green Day album (including side projects) FOAM is the lowest quality record the band has ever put out and the attitude that they displayed during this era wasn't necessarily doing it any favours. While I am ultimately glad I ended up with a few new Green Day songs that I really like, it probably should have been a side project instead in my honest opinion.

You've just expressed all my feelings about Green Day and everything

[Clockwise]

Nah fuck that shit. FOAM is a good Green Day record and a good record in general. If it's not your cuppa tea, that's fine. But I think people get hung up trying to fit Green Day into a box of their own creation. When in reality Green Day is whatever the three of them want it to be. When they want to take a left turn, they will!

[The Grohl]

Ah my favorite topic: The mess of the FOAM era. I get both sides of the argument here. On the one hand, I understand why people don't like it. I understand what people mean when they say it's a low tier GD release or it's a not a good GD record. And no, it's not their best. It doesn't have any deeper meaning for me and it's not a deep record. And that's fine. But holy shit the marketing was bad. If anything I'm fine with the record, but I HATED Crush's marketing. I don't care what the band says, Hella Mega was not their idea and you can't convince me otherwise. Maybe they wanted to do a monsters of rock type of thing, but I HIGHLY doubt they wanted to do it with Weezer and FOB.

That being said, is FOAM a good record? Yeah, I think so! Is it their best and can it stand up to their other records? Not at all and that's okay! It's a dumb, fun album and it's okay to have music that's just nonsensical fun every once in a while. Do I think GD can do better? Yes, I know they can, but to me it sounded like they were actually having fun here. For years, I felt GD were living in the shadow of AI, constantly trying to top that or reach those heights. With FOAM, it felt like they went fuck it and just did what they wanted. Plus, it did see them try some new things - nothing earth shattering, but new for GD. But I agree that I still want them to put their all into a record. Though I don't think GD should just always take their music super seriously. If they want to make a dumb party record, cool. If they want to make something that's more complex and has deeper meaning? Awesome! I'm here for it. I just don't want GD to be all serious, all the time. 

I definitely agree with @Clockwise about people trying to fit GD into whatever box they want. I hated all the cries of this isn't a real GD record!!! It's not the GD record you wanted and that's okay. It's fine you don't like, but I also think people are overreacting when they treat FOAM as the worst thing they ever heard. And as @Insomniac1984 stated, there's a good chance people will change their mind about FOAM. It's happened with every single GD release. All it takes is for the latest album to drop for people to go, actually the previous album isn't that bad/is underrated. 

[GDFan2019]

5 minutes ago, The Grohl said:

Ah my favorite topic: The mess of the FOAM era. I get both sides of the argument here. On the one hand, I understand why people don't like it. I understand what people mean when they say it's a low tier GD release or it's a not a good GD record. And no, it's not their best. It doesn't have any deeper meaning for me and it's not a deep record. And that's fine. But holy shit the marketing was bad. If anything I'm fine with the record, but I HATED Crush's marketing. I don't care what the band says, Hella Mega was not their idea and you can't convince me otherwise. Maybe they wanted to do a monsters of rock type of thing, but I HIGHLY doubt they wanted to do it with Weezer and FOB.

That being said, is FOAM a good record? Yeah, I think so! Is it their best and can it stand up to their other records? Not at all and that's okay! It's a dumb, fun album and it's okay to have music that's just nonsensical fun every once in a while. Do I think GD can do better? Yes, I know they can, but to me it sounded like they were actually having fun here. For years, I felt GD were living in the shadow of AI, constantly trying to top that or reach those heights. With FOAM, it felt like they went fuck it and just did what they wanted. Plus, it did see them try some new things - nothing earth shattering, but new for GD. But I agree that I still want them to put their all into a record. Though I don't think GD should just always take their music super seriously. If they want to make a dumb party record, cool. If they want to make something that's more complex and has deeper meaning? Awesome! I'm here for it. I just don't want GD to be all serious, all the time. 

I definitely agree with @Clockwise about people trying to fit GD into whatever box they want. I hated all the cries of this isn't a real GD record!!! It's not the GD record you wanted and that's okay. It's fine you don't like, but I also think people are overreacting when they treat FOAM as the worst thing they ever heard. And as @Insomniac1984 stated, there's a good chance people will change their mind about FOAM. It's happened with every single GD release. All it takes is for the latest album to drop for people to go, actually the previous album isn't that bad/is underrated. 

To be fair, just a month into the album's release, the pandemic interrupted pretty much everything, and they couldn't make any promotional appearances on TV, and Billie only appeared on that virtual TV performance thing, and he actually played Graffitia. And he also used that time to record those No Fun Mondays covers.

[Clockwise]

@The Grohl Agree with you completely. The band even said during promo that they're always progressing, but sometimes they have to progress sideways lol. Here's the exciting thing about FOAM - even if the record doesn't work for you, it proves that they have creative gas left in the tank. They are still doing experimenting creatively and trying new things that excite them! If we got Rev Rad part two that would have been a creative death rattle. And they could do that so damn easily. So this is a good sign, because if they're still growing and changing, eventually they'll put out an awesome album that you love.

[The Grohl]

10 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said:

To be fair, just a month into the album's release, the pandemic interrupted pretty much everything, and they couldn't make any promotional appearances on TV, and Billie only appeared on that virtual TV performance thing, and he actually played Graffitia. And he also used that time to record those No Fun Mondays covers.

Great point! And this could've contributed to supposed their lack of enthusiasm about the record when they did do interviews. There's a pandemic going on, every aspect of your life has changed. And when a big part of your job is connecting with people and suddenly that's taken away from you, it's draining. I think the SWMRS car accident also happened around that time, so that probably weighed on Billie's mind at least.

[GDFan2019]

17 minutes ago, The Grohl said:

Great point! And this could've contributed to supposed their lack of enthusiasm about the record when they did do interviews. There's a pandemic going on, every aspect of your life has changed. And when a big part of your job is connecting with people and suddenly that's taken away from you, it's draining. I think the SWMRS car accident also happened around that time, so that probably weighed on Billie's mind at least.

That and the sexual assault accusations against Joey

[The Grohl]

13 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said:

That and just Joey in general

Fixed it  

[GuitarPunk94]

23 minutes ago, GDFan2019 said:

That and the sexual assault accusations against Joey

i dont want to start a new discussion about this, but i followed this topic when it happened back then, but i dont know how it ended. did it turn out to be true? or what was the endgame? 🤔

[Jankowski576]

8 minutes ago, GuitarPunk94 said:

i dont want to start a new discussion about this, but i followed this topic when it happened back then, but i dont know how it ended. did it turn out to be true? or what was the endgame? 🤔

Ended up as a pretty detailed she said that was corroborated by other people, obviously not proven in a court of law but was enough to break up SWMRs. Prob all we should go into about it here

[pacejunkie punk]

47 minutes ago, The Grohl said:

Great point! And this could've contributed to supposed their lack of enthusiasm about the record when they did do interviews. There's a pandemic going on, every aspect of your life has changed. And when a big part of your job is connecting with people and suddenly that's taken away from you, it's draining. I think the SWMRS car accident also happened around that time, so that probably weighed on Billie's mind at least.

The pandemic happened later. The bulk of their promotion happened from September 2019 to February 2020 and we had no to little idea of the pandemic at that time. They were leaving to start the tour in Asia in March so I’d say by February promotion was mostly over.  I agree the pandemic did a number on their psyches as for us all but Billie powered through with No Fun Mondays and charity performances and in some ways he found new purpose and seemed in better spirits than he did in 2019.  The accident with SWMRS was a thing that happened late October but that didn’t account for this whole time period.  

Whatever was going on with them at that time, I’m just glad they seemed to have come out of it now

12 minutes ago, GuitarPunk94 said:

i dont want to start a new discussion about this, but i followed this topic when it happened back then, but i dont know how it ended. did it turn out to be true? or what was the endgame? 🤔

Lydia stands by her story, band broke up and dispersed to the four corners of the US, Joey got married and moved to London. The End.

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

1 hour ago, The Grohl said:

But holy shit the marketing was bad. If anything I'm fine with the record, but I HATED Crush's marketing. I don't care what the band says, Hella Mega was not their idea and you can't convince me otherwise. 

@Clockwise

This 100%. I think Green Day are one of  Crush Management's biggest bands or at least when they first went over to them they were and I don't think they (Crush) knew how to handle that. They seem to have a one size fits all approach to everyone they manage and it's cringe

Also I don't think it's GD that want the big bucks from a tour like Hella Mega, it's Crush! 

[Jhonib]

When I saw the Hot! tag on the thread I was like finally they must have announced something!
Not today I guess 😅

[Beerjeezus]

I still want to know what motivated the decision to sign with Crush. It’s working out but at what cost.