Covid/vaccine rules at shows

[desertrose]

Hoping this does not become required before September concert at Dodger Stadium. I am sure some pf the ticket holders are not vaccinated.

LA City Council To Consider Requiring COVID Vaccinations For Indoor Dining, Movie Theaters, Concerts, Gyms

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/08/04/la-city-council-to-consider-requiring-covid-vaccinations-for-indoor-dining-movie-theaters-concerts-gyms/?

[Beathe.]

I'm glad they postponed the European shows until 2022. As for now, I would not be comfortable with standing for hours in a huge crowd. It doesn't seem like we'll get rid of covid anytime soon, it might still be an issue when they eventually come to Europe. I find it odd that they don't have any precautions for this tour. 

I don't feel like we necesarilly have handeled the pandemic in a good way here, but the precautions that are required for attending events I support. If you want to attend an event here, you have to either show proof of vaccination or a negative covid test. I hope that there will be some precations if the pandemic is still ongoing when the European tour starts. 

[Slave To The Network]

I wonder if some of the later US shows (like mine, which is last) will require proof of vaccination the way things are going. Maybe there will be ticket refunds offered to everyone again for those who don't want to or can't get vaccinated.

[Beerjeezus]

2 hours ago, Beathe. said:

I'm glad they postponed the European shows until 2022. As for now, I would not be comfortable with standing for hours in a huge crowd. It doesn't seem like we'll get rid of covid anytime soon, it might still be an issue when they eventually come to Europe. I find it odd that they don't have any precautions for this tour. 

I don't feel like we necesarilly have handeled the pandemic in a good way here, but the precautions that are required for attending events I support. If you want to attend an event here, you have to either show proof of vaccination or a negative covid test. I hope that there will be some precations if the pandemic is still ongoing when the European tour starts. 

Does anyone check though? I have yet to go to an event where the rules were enforced.

[Beathe.]

16 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

Does anyone check though? I have yet to go to an event where the rules were enforced.

Yes, they check at the entrance. If you cannot provide a negative covid test or proof of vaccination you will not be aloud to enter the event. I'm going to a football match later this month, and have printed my covid pass already.

For bigger events, like concerts, they can maybe start earlier and for instance give spesific bracelets for each show, similar to ones they give for golden circle etc, to make it easier.  

[Joe.]

13 hours ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said:

I understand where you're coming from but there are millions of people who have autoimmune diseases who don't respond as well to the vaccine (not all of them old people by any means).They've already been prisoners in their own homes for 18 months but it will be a while until they can go about life as normal and in normal times they lead completely normal lives

You’re right, don’t get your point tho? We should all lockdown forever? We shouldn’t have large gatherings because of those with autoimmune diseases?

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

4 hours ago, Joe. said:

You’re right, don’t get your point tho? We should all lockdown forever? We shouldn’t have large gatherings because of those with autoimmune diseases?

It's just such a "glib" statement you made when there are so many people who can never lead any kind of life again in those circumstances (and yes, I am one of those people). There is no answer

[Joe.]

1 minute ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said:

It's just such a "glib" statement saying "we've just got to learn to live with it" when there are so many people who can never lead any kind of life again in those circumstances (and yes, I am one of those people). There is no answer

I’m sorry to hear that, that sucks. So we shouldn’t have gigs until there’s completely no covid anywhere?

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

Just now, Joe. said:

I’m sorry to hear that, that sucks. So we shouldn’t have gigs until there’s completely no covid anywhere?

I didn’t say that. I said there is no answer. 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

21 minutes ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said:

I didn’t say that. I said there is no answer. 

That's fucked up. There is literally no answer. I really don't have any solutions for those who have autoimmune diseases but like Joe is saying, we can't be in lockdown forever. We need to start living with this virus and accept it.

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

5 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

That's fucked up. There is literally no answer. I really don't have any solutions for those who have autoimmune diseases but like Joe is saying, we can't be in lockdown forever. We need to start living with this virus and accept it.

Yeah I don't know what to say. It really is fucked up. Four million people in the UK alone (23.5million in the US). And yeah, of course we can't stay locked down forever. I don't know what people expect people with autoimmune diseases to do 

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said:

I didn’t say that. I said there is no answer. 

The answer is vaccination. Some people can't get it or it doesn't protect them they way it should, but all who can get vaccinated should. The virus can't keep spreading if it doesn't have enough viable hosts. That's why we need to get as many people vaccinated as possible. Covid may always be with us in some form, like the seasonal flu, but it won't be a pandemic killing hundreds of thousands of people. Vaccination is how we make the world safe enough so that people like you can lead the lives you deserve. That's what pisses me off so much about people not getting vaccinated: they are hurting many people besides themselves. 

[EmmaCharlatan&Saints]

5 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

That's fucked up. There is literally no answer. I really don't have any solutions for those who have autoimmune diseases but like Joe is saying, we can't be in lockdown forever. We need to start living with this virus and accept it.

But I thought it was over? Like you said it was over? Is it not over? 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

33 minutes ago, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

But I thought it was over? Like you said it was over? Is it not over? 

For those who are vaccinated like me with 2 shots, yes it is.

[Lenny]

52 minutes ago, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

But I thought it was over? Like you said it was over? Is it not over? 

The question is what happens with the unvaccinated. They're the ones that will contribute to variants and they're also the ones threatening the ICU's capacity. 

It will never truly be over but never truly started. It was always here, it just mutated beyond what the majority could fight off. 

If 100% of the world was vaccinated it would be over in the sense that there's no major disruptions to be anticipated. However, it's not possible due to monetary issues in other countries and corrupt governments and cartels. 

What we can do is close borders and stay as local as possible. Even then, there's freedom to be vaccinated or not to be. What is an acceptable % of non vaccinated and when do we reach a point where we allow them to continue at their own risk without them being in a number large enough to not be a risk to us? 

Also, when do we start to fight back for our freedom of movement, expression and action? There's more to this than just health protocols. Anyone ignoring the perpetual social control is not in touch with reality. 

 

5 hours ago, BillieMyLove said:

Some people can't get it or it doesn't protect them they way it should

These people were always at risk with or without Covid. 

You can't say bubble boy is at risk just now. Bubble boy was always at risk. It's just nobody gave a shit till now. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Sheenius said:

These people were always at risk with or without Covid. 

You can't say bubble boy is at risk just now. Bubble boy was always at risk. It's just nobody gave a shit till now. 

Just to be clear I was not saying these people ever were safe. I think we are on the same page here, if you read back through what I have been saying here. The lockdowns can't go on forever. We have a disaster going on of mental health crises, substance abuse, domestic violence, personal financial ruin, food insecurity, eviction, kids unable to access education, people with chronic medical conditions unable to access care, etc. What I am saying is it is unbelievably fucking selfish for people who can get vaccinated but won't to hold society hostage like this. I personally don't care what happens to those people and say the world should move on with or without them, but now they are spreading a variant that is breaking through the vaccine and threatening to put us all into lockdown again. These people do not have the right to take away everyone else's freedoms for their own supposed "freedom." I think what places like New York are now doing is spot on: make it basically impossible for these to people to do anything to force them to get vaxxed. The good news is it seems vaccination rates are going up again so I would expect these cases to start coming down again. 

[Lenny]

2 hours ago, BillieMyLove said:

Just to be clear I was not saying these people ever were safe.

Yeah I wasn't quoting anything you were saying or whatever just to clarify. It's more just about people's attitudes changing about people with disabilities. 

It feels like an overcompensation now after them not giving a shit and refusing to accommodate for years. 

 

2 hours ago, BillieMyLove said:

What I am saying is it is unbelievably fucking selfish for people who can get vaccinated but won't to hold society hostage like this. 

Working on the premise that you mean completely 100% healthy and eligible people for the vaccine I agree. 

It's 2 needles. It gives society antibodies. It may not be the full solution but it's a giant step forward given the circumstances. 

[Hermione]

9 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

For those who are vaccinated like me with 2 shots, yes it is.

It doesn't work that way though because you could still pass it on to other people. Do we know what the best answer to that is for sure? No. But it isn't over.

[purplebenny]

10 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

For those who are vaccinated like me with 2 shots, yes it is.

There’s been a huge heap of “nope” on this thread..

 

this is one of the biggest “NOPE” here.i

 

t is not over because you have a vaccine. You can still spread this disease and need to be careful 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Sheenius said:

Yeah I wasn't quoting anything you were saying or whatever just to clarify. It's more just about people's attitudes changing about people with disabilities. 

It feels like an overcompensation now after them not giving a shit and refusing to accommodate for years. 

 

Working on the premise that you mean completely 100% healthy and eligible people for the vaccine I agree. 

It's 2 needles. It gives society antibodies. It may not be the full solution but it's a giant step forward given the circumstances. 

Yes, I agree that the way the world has treated people with disabilities is abysmal. And yes, I am saying completely healthy eligible people. And many of those people are not getting vaxxed because they think theydon't need, and yet from a societal perspective, they need it most of all. 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

6 hours ago, Hermione said:

It doesn't work that way though because you could still pass it on to other people. Do we know what the best answer to that is for sure? No. But it isn't over.

 

5 hours ago, purplebenny said:

There’s been a huge heap of “nope” on this thread..

 

this is one of the biggest “NOPE” here.i

 

t is not over because you have a vaccine. You can still spread this disease and need to be careful 

Well if people don't get vaccinated it's not my prob. I did my part. 
Now my life is back like in 2019. Gathering, Party, family dinner. All my social circle are double vaxx.

[purplebenny]

1 hour ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

 

Well if people don't get vaccinated it's not my prob. I did my part. 
Now my life is back like in 2019. Gathering, Party, family dinner. All my social circle are double vaxx.

“I did my part”

 

is an incredibly selfish way to think.

You can still spread Covid. You can pass it to (all be it idiotic) people who may get seriously ill.

further spread could lead to further mutations, which the vaccine may not work against

 

we all want fully normal, but we aren’t there yet, not even close.

 

 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

2 minutes ago, purplebenny said:

“I did my part”

 

is an incredibly selfish way to think.

You can still spread Covid. You can pass it to (all be it idiotic) people who may get seriously ill.

further spread could lead to further mutations, which the vaccine may not work against

 

we all want fully normal, but we aren’t there yet, not even close.

 

 

Well you can stay hidden in your basement until this shit is over but it can last until 2028 or even for the rest of your life. 
Until then for those who are vaxxed and aren't scared, enjoy your life 

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Hermione said:

It doesn't work that way though because you could still pass it on to other people. Do we know what the best answer to that is for sure? No. But it isn't over.

Everyone knows the science of how the vaccine works has been a big pet peeve for me, so I will say typically you won't spread it after vaccination, but that is beginning to change with the Delta variant and now vaxxed people are spreading it. Which pisses me off because there wouldn't be a Delta variant is more people had gotten vaxxed sooner, before the virus had this chance to mutate. As I have said here before, I understand why states wanted only the most vulnerable to get vaccinated first, but it sent the message that the vaccine wasn't a priority for younger healthier people, and now we have more vaccine than we know what to do with after worrying about shortages. Also, it is time to start sending vaccines to poorer countries who don't currently have it and where the virus is still spreading and mutating. No one is safe until everyone is safe, unfortunately. 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

57 minutes ago, purplebenny said:

is an incredibly selfish way to think.

 

How am I being selfish if I'm just following the rules of my government?
- Gathering of 25 people outside / 20 people inside (no mask and/or distanciation if vaxx)
- Inside events like concert or show allowing 10k people
- Outside events like concert or show allowing 25k people (I went to one of those and it was amazing being in a crowd again)

So if I'm selfish because I'm doing what my government is allowing me to do, then all of the citizens in Quebec are selfish.