Covid/vaccine rules at shows

[Eric]

17 minutes ago, Vintage Disciple said:

This is true...I have good friends who are very liberal and are choosing not to be vaccinated because they don't trust it and the "deep state", etc...

yup vaccine should not be trusted.

[Cunt]

3 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

If you're comparing death rates between states, you have to take more factors into account than just mask compliance such as population, population density, age structure of the population. The denser a population, the harder it is to socially distance & thus the easier it is for the virus to spread. The older a population, the more vulnerable it is. 

Population density (obtained from google)
New York - 421 p/square mile
Florida - 353.4
California - 251.3
Texas - 109.9

Population under 18 (Source: https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/compare/california.florida)
Florida - 19.9%
New York - 20.8%
California - 22.7%
Texas - 25.8%

Population 65+ (Same source)
Texas - 12.6%
California - 14.3%
New York - 16.4%
Florida - 20.5%
 

Now, based on this, you'd expect New York to have higher death rates due to the dense population & the older population aged 65+. Texas' comparably low population density and younger population means that its death rate shouldn't be equivalent to Florida or California

This link (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/) also says that California's death rate is lower than both Texas and Florida which have around 180 deaths per 100,000 people while California has 163 deaths per 100,000

This seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation for why each of these states have had the death rates that they have

There are additional factors that need to be addressed i.e. how many people travelling to and from each state, population of surrounding states, homelessness etc.. Because there are so much factors to consider, you cannot say "This state increased mask compliance but cases/deaths still went up while other states that didn't increase mask compliance as much didn't see the same increase in cases/deaths: thus masks don't work" because there can be a ton of reasons why cases may have gone up or down

17 deaths per 100,000 in change. That’s your big difference in proving masks work? You have got to be kidding…

interesting enough death percentage by populations are as follows 
 
Percentage of death in California in roughly 0.16 percent 

Death percentage in Texas is roughly 0.18 percent 

Death percentage in Florida is roughly 0.18 percent

Death percentage in New York is roughly 0.27 percent 

 

Death percentage by infections are 

California- 1.63%

Texas- 1.7%
 

Florida- 1.48%
 

New York- 2.45 percent 

 

now obviously due to pop density in New York particularly in Manhattan this percentage is very different. But do you see how close those other percentages are? Less than half a percent? Is that really all the difference wearing a mask and social distancing makes? It’s not that they make a difference it’s just the stats simply point at the fact that they don’t make a big difference. Plus you’d figure with NY and California’s draconian lockdowns and mask compliance that it would greatly reduce infections and deaths when the opposite happens. 
 

There are so many holes in the argument for wearing a piece of clothe on your face makes a big difference that there is no rational reason to believe in it other than wanting people to think your a good person and to actually think you’re making a difference. 

[Hermione]

4 hours ago, Eric said:

yup vaccine should not be trusted.

On what basis?

[MillenniumFan]

3 hours ago, Hermione said:

On what basis?

[Christian's Inferno!]

5 hours ago, Cunt said:

17 deaths per 100,000 in change. That’s your big difference in proving masks work? You have got to be kidding…

interesting enough death percentage by populations are as follows 
 
Percentage of death in California in roughly 0.16 percent 

Death percentage in Texas is roughly 0.18 percent 

Death percentage in Florida is roughly 0.18 percent

Death percentage in New York is roughly 0.27 percent 

 

Death percentage by infections are 

California- 1.63%

Texas- 1.7%
 

Florida- 1.48%
 

New York- 2.45 percent 

 

now obviously due to pop density in New York particularly in Manhattan this percentage is very different. But do you see how close those other percentages are? Less than half a percent? Is that really all the difference wearing a mask and social distancing makes? It’s not that they make a difference it’s just the stats simply point at the fact that they don’t make a big difference. Plus you’d figure with NY and California’s draconian lockdowns and mask compliance that it would greatly reduce infections and deaths when the opposite happens. 
 

There are so many holes in the argument for wearing a piece of clothe on your face makes a big difference that there is no rational reason to believe in it other than wanting people to think your a good person and to actually think you’re making a difference. 

You've been making the argument that masks do nothing. We can argue about how effective they are/aren't but you've been saying masks do nothing and it's been proven that they do help reduce the spread. Regardless of how effective they are, it's a good thing to do to wear a mask. The point I was making is that since there are so many factors that can contribute to the total case/death numbers for each state, that you can't just look at mask compliance alone. We don't know what the death rate of New York or California would've been if nobody had been wearing masks but if nobody wore a mask, I'd imagine it'd be a lot higher than it was.

The difference of 17 deaths per 100,000 isn't that much. The masks may be more or less effective than that, because there are a number of factors that need to be addressed. But even if the masks were to prevent 1 or 2 extra deaths per 100,000, it'd be worth it to wear the mask to make sure as few people die as possible

[Guest]

18 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

I imagine most Green Day fans would be left-leaning at least. Don't think there'd be a lot of anti-vaxxers going to a Green Day show

I was about to say this too, but this place alone probably proves us wrong. 🤣 Also as @pacejunkie punk pointed out, there are many reasons people aren't getting vaccinated. I agree that there are a lot of young people who don't feel they need it, fear they are taking it away from someone who needs it more, or aren't making it a priority. As I have said here before, I think young people being forced to wait until last to get the shot and being told not to try to take it away from people who needed it more was well-intentioned but ultimately bad messaging that is now coming back to bite us all.

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

3 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

You've been making the argument that masks do nothing. We can argue about how effective they are/aren't but you've been saying masks do nothing and it's been proven that they do help reduce the spread. Regardless of how effective they are, it's a good thing to do to wear a mask. The point I was making is that since there are so many factors that can contribute to the total case/death numbers for each state, that you can't just look at mask compliance alone. We don't know what the death rate of New York or California would've been if nobody had been wearing masks but if nobody wore a mask, I'd imagine it'd be a lot higher than it was.

The difference of 17 deaths per 100,000 isn't that much. The masks may be more or less effective than that, because there are a number of factors that need to be addressed. But even if the masks were to prevent 1 or 2 extra deaths per 100,000, it'd be worth it to wear the mask to make sure as few people die as possible

They help much more than that. 

[Christian's Inferno!]

Just now, Billie Joes Eyelids said:

They help much more than that. 

Yeah I think so too. But my point was even if they are only slightly effective, we should still wear them.

[Cunt]

4 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

You've been making the argument that masks do nothing. We can argue about how effective they are/aren't but you've been saying masks do nothing and it's been proven that they do help reduce the spread.

This has not ever been confirmed. There is not a statistical advantage that proves masks work. Like I said in the height of the pandemic even places that had high mask compliance still saw an extreme spike in infections and death. The percentage of deaths is so close that it doesn’t prove that because this state had a mask mandate it had less than a half percent difference in death as opposed to a state that ended its mask mandate or a state that never had a mask mandate which has the lesser percentage of both. The stats and facts do not support masks. They are literally cosmetic theater for people to post selfie’s on Instagram and Facebook and for people to flaunt around in public to make people think that they are a good person. The science on masks from the experts alone hasn’t been consistent. “You don’t need a mask they won’t do anything! Covid pathogens are so small that they slip through that mask!” Then a few weeks later wear a mask! Then as mask compliance goes up across the board in every state by October 2020 cases and deaths still continue to spike and reach their worst point a few months later. Then as cases start to drop the science says we need to wear 2 or 3 masks, vaccinated people still need to wear a mask and then they say vaccinated people don’t need to wear a mask and now we’re back to we need to wear a mask indoors. ThE sCiEnCe ChAnGeS!!! Oh give me a damn break. The science and stats prove that masks do little, and I mean minuscule, to no difference. “BUT IF IT SAVES ONE LIFE!!!” Great! If you think that then go ahead and wear one if it helps you sleep at night. 

[EmmaCharlatan&Saints]

On 7/31/2021 at 2:00 AM, Cunt said:

The statistics are not supportive of the bullshit “You don’t have to thank me, I’m wearing a mask for you not for me because I want to make a difference” narrative. In fact they aren’t supportive of lockdowns or social distancing. There was a study that was conducted in Sweden where people did wear mask and people didn’t wear mask. There was a one percent difference in how many people got Covid out of both groups. I’m gonna say this and I’m done. The best way to combat the virus is not masks, social distancing, or lockdowns. It’s getting vaccinated because vaccines have been effective. You here everybody bitching about breakthrough cases. You know how many breakthrough  cases of delta variant there have been? Less than a percent, none of which resulted in death.  I’ll take that stat over stats on masks and social distancing. 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-what-does-the-science-actually-say-about-face-masks-12349337 I guess you know better than all the people who 1)did the studies and 2) are actual scientists. Now you dont get to say other people dont know anything when you literally wont even take basic FACTS that are easy to find and completely dismiss them because you are obsessed with one state in one country. And freaking Sweden? Lmao get tf out of here

On 7/30/2021 at 10:55 PM, Cunt said:

Literally several experts have said that masks help stop the spread. You keep using the word reduce which means to help stop/ prevent spread. It’s just simple word riddles that people use to act like they’re proving someone wrong. Like I say if it were true that masks “reduced” transmission we wouldn’t have had the spike over the winter when mask compliance was at its highest. That’s literally conflicting with the data that masks “reduce” the spread of COVID. 

15,000 deaths in the month of January alone in California….. ya how’d that mask mandate and those draconian lockdowns work out? Also Texas ended their mandate in March and did not see an uptick until last month when the Delta Variant started spreading more rapidly. 
 

The time period that I’m referring to with mask compliance being at its highest has nothing to do with the Delta Variant. Your bias and  unwillingness to actually evaluate the facts proves that you know nothing. 

Stop is not the same as reduce. Words mean things you know. If masks stopped it we wouldnt be here a year and a half later now would we smartass. Excuse you how does it prove I know nothing care to share your medical degree? Also I didnt realise Texas was the centre of the pandemic..oh its not

On 7/31/2021 at 3:47 AM, Cunt said:

And this is basic. The stats don’t support the claim that masks prevent Covid infections. And if your a nurse you know that you wear the mask to prevent not small but large droplets from you or patients to fall on your or them. If your cutting iron metal the particles can slip through your mask and be inhaled. If that can happen what the hell do you think Covid pathogens are gonna do? That’s great that flu cases were low but Covid cases were still high so it doesn’t change anything. 

Interesting so that we went from 40 million flu cases to like 1200 cases and nobody questions it but whatever…

The last part...um lets see people not gathering in any significant manner for about a year probably had something to do with the lack of flu. 

19 hours ago, Cunt said:

That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Did you happen to measure them yourself? That would be pretty hard to do considering most droplets are rather small. And yes sizes of droplets vary unless you have some sort of microscopic cheese grater with even holes that your sneezing through…. But you never know. 
 

Referring to viral load here’s the deal. It doesn’t take that much exposure for you to become infected with Covid 19. If someone wearing a mask sneezes, talks, sings, spits, yells, coughs the smaller droplets still get through and how long do pathogens stay in the air for? Several minutes sometimes hours. You can walk buy and breath in the pathogens long after the person is gone and still get infected. With the the pathogens left in the air their could be a small amount of virus and yes that person doesn’t get as sick as per the science or their could be a significant amount of virus in those pathogens and therefore the infection will be serious. Just like I’ve said mask compliance was at its highest and we still saw more infections and deaths per day than say over the summer last year when mask compliance wasn’t as high or even right now mask compliance isn’t high and deaths on average have stayed at nearly the same rate over the last 2 months even with infections spiking due the Delta Variant. Obviously the big factor now vs last year is that we have a vaccine now.

Also the death rates Florida and Texas are identical to that of California and even less than New York. The latter 2 of course states with higher mask compliance. 

Why are you so obsessed with one single state in one country? Its really not proof of anything other than maybe lack of testing considering how blase the people running Texas are/were to this

16 hours ago, Eric said:

yup vaccine should not be trusted.

Please tell us all why without saying ''its still in trial'' ''it changes your dna'' etc

[pacejunkie punk]

Florida’s cases are exploding right now, the most in the nation.  100% of the patients in the ICUs are unvaxxed. Yet watching the livestream last night virtually everyone there was unmasked. Crazy that no one even seems concerned, and I know that audience is not 100% vaxxed

[Cunt]

25 minutes ago, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-what-does-the-science-actually-say-about-face-masks-12349337 I guess you know better than all the people who 1)did the studies and 2) are actual scientists. Now you dont get to say other people dont know anything when you literally wont even take basic FACTS that are easy to find and completely dismiss them because you are obsessed with one state in one country. And freaking Sweden? Lmao get tf out of here

Stop is not the same as reduce. Words mean things you know. If masks stopped it we wouldnt be here a year and a half later now would we smartass. Excuse you how does it prove I know nothing care to share your medical degree? Also I didnt realise Texas was the centre of the pandemic..oh its not

The last part...um lets see people not gathering in any significant manner for about a year probably had something to do with the lack of flu. 

Why are you so obsessed with one single state in one country? Its really not proof of anything other than maybe lack of testing considering how blase the people running Texas are/were to this

Please tell us all why without saying ''its still in trial'' ''it changes your dna'' etc

Again if face masks work so damn well how come when mask compliance across the country was at its highest we saw Covid reach its worst point. Those two stats alone completely shatter the argument that masks “reduce” spread of COVID. How is it that they work so well yet they couldn’t prevent a complete explosion in deaths and cases even in states with higher mask compliance and higher compliance in following social distancing?  I focus on that stat because it literally makes the argument for masks pointless. 
 

And on another note what is it like a 98-99%, or even higher due to those that don’t get tested or are asymptomatic, survival rate if you get infected and get tested even in places that don’t bow down to the Starbucks Carmel Mocchiato drinking coronabros and gals.  

 

I’m done. This is pointless. If you want to keep living in fear and wear a mask for the rest of your life, because coronavirus is never going away, then by all means go for it. 

 

[EmmaCharlatan&Saints]

3 minutes ago, Cunt said:

Again if face masks work so damn well how come when mask compliance across the country was at its highest we saw Covid reach its worst point. Those two stats alone completely shatter the argument that masks “reduce” spread of COVID. How is it that they work so well yet they couldn’t prevent a complete explosion in deaths and cases even in states with higher mask compliance and higher compliance in following social distancing?  I focus on that stat because it literally makes the argument for masks pointless. 
 

And on another note what is it like a 98-99%, or even higher due to those that don’t get tested or are asymptomatic, survival rate if you get infected and get tested even in places that don’t bow down to the Starbucks Carmel Mocchiato drinking coronabros and gals.  

 

I’m done. This is pointless. If you want to keep living in fear and wear a mask for the rest of your life, because coronavirus is never going away, then by all means go for it. 

 

Ah youre one of those people. 'KEeP Living IN fEAr because You WEar MaSk'' No I'l keep wearing it because they work. Thats a FACT. and because im not a selfish prick. Im not living in fear by the way. Its a piece of cloth I have to put over my mouth simple really. Ive left the house and everything. Also that isint the survival rate. Jesus christ you have not backed up any of your 'stats' but run your mouth like they are the be all and end all. Please back up shit or stay done and ignorant. Peace

Just now, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

Ah youre one of those people. 'KEeP Living IN fEAr because You WEar MaSk'' No I'l keep wearing it because they work. Thats a FACT. and because im not a selfish prick. Im not living in fear by the way. Its a piece of cloth I have to put over my mouth simple really. Ive left the house and everything. Also that isint the survival rate. Jesus christ you have not backed up any of your 'stats' but run your mouth like they are the be all and end all. Please back up shit or stay done and ignorant. Peace

Oh and again not sure why you feel the need to ignore every other measure take other than masks. But you know facts arent your strong point clearly.

1 minute ago, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

Ah youre one of those people. 'KEeP Living IN fEAr because You WEar MaSk'' No I'l keep wearing it because they work. Thats a FACT. and because im not a selfish prick. Im not living in fear by the way. Its a piece of cloth I have to put over my mouth simple really. Ive left the house and everything. Also that isint the survival rate. Jesus christ you have not backed up any of your 'stats' but run your mouth like they are the be all and end all. Please back up shit or stay done and ignorant. Peace

Oh and again not sure why you feel the need to ignore every other measure take other than masks. But you know facts arent your strong point clearly.

And just once more https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-what-does-the-science-actually-say-about-face-masks-12349337 since you dont want to read FACTS

[Cunt]

1 minute ago, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

Ah youre one of those people. 'KEeP Living IN fEAr because You WEar MaSk'' No I'l keep wearing it because they work. Thats a FACT. and because im not a selfish prick. Im not living in fear by the way. Its a piece of cloth I have to put over my mouth simple really. Ive left the house and everything. Also that isint the survival rate. Jesus christ you have not backed up any of your 'stats' but run your mouth like they are the be all and end all. Please back up shit or stay done and ignorant. Peace

Oh and again not sure why you feel the need to ignore every other measure take other than masks. But you know facts arent your strong point clearly.

Clearly ignorance and pop culture conformism are your strong points. The stats and facts prove that masks do not help reduce spread of coronavirus. The only thing that they stop is large droplets from escaping. This is why social distancing doesn’t work because someone can still walk by and breathe in those pathogens from the smaller droplets up to several hours after. Is it really that hard of a pattern to follow? That’s why reduction in cases never add up with social distancing and mask compliance. If masks worked then you wouldn’t have had a major spike that lasted for 3 months when mask compliance was at its highest. If you literally look at that and still think that masks work then you’re obviously just saying that they work because it helps you sleep more comfortable at night because you think your saving lives when in all actuality you’re not making a difference what so ever. If you want to check my stats then grab a calculator and look at the charts. 

[EmmaCharlatan&Saints]

1 minute ago, Cunt said:

Clearly ignorance and pop culture conformism are your strong points. The stats and facts prove that masks do not help reduce spread of coronavirus. The only thing that they stop is large droplets from escaping. This is why social distancing doesn’t work because someone can still walk by and breathe in those pathogens from the smaller droplets up to several hours after. Is it really that hard of a pattern to follow? That’s why reduction in cases never add up with social distancing and mask compliance. If masks worked then you wouldn’t have had a major spike that lasted for 3 months when mask compliance was at its highest. If you literally look at that and still think that masks work then you’re obviously just saying that they work because it helps you sleep more comfortable at night because you think your saving lives when in all actuality you’re not making a difference what so ever. If you want to check my stats then grab a calculator and look at the charts. 

Texas isint the centre of the universe Cunt. Though you seem to think it is. Lmao what even is that first line in your response. Take your edgelordy bullshit somewhere else. Amazing how you keep ignoring literal facts and studies places in front of you and all youve provided is some out of context 'stats' No since youre the expert you break them down like a good boy. Im just gonna keep posting it by the way https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-what-does-the-science-actually-say-about-face-masks-12349337

[Cunt]

15 minutes ago, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

Also that isint the survival rate

Also that is the chances of survival, but whatever then. 

[EmmaCharlatan&Saints]

Just now, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

Texas isint the centre of the universe Cunt. Though you seem to think it is. Lmao what even is that first line in your response. Take your edgelordy bullshit somewhere else. Amazing how you keep ignoring literal facts and studies places in front of you and all youve provided is some out of context 'stats' No since youre the expert you break them down like a good boy. Im just gonna keep posting it by the way https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-what-does-the-science-actually-say-about-face-masks-12349337

Or you could tell us youre medical degrees I guess

Just now, Cunt said:

Also that is the chances of survival, but whatever then. 

Nope its not that high. Debunked long ago. Keep ignoring facts though

1 minute ago, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

Or you could tell us youre medical degrees I guess

Nope its not that high. Debunked long ago. Keep ignoring facts though

https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-survival-rates-5103495-May2020/ 

[Virginia Lot Lizard]

It’s not that hard to wear a mask regardless if you think it helps or not… even if it only helps 0.005% so what? 

I am vaccinated and I wear a mask because I want this to be over. I do not feel it is not an infringement on my freedom but I think ignoring guidelines and possibly getting someone else sick is a massive infringement on freedom. 

[Cunt]

18 minutes ago, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

Texas isint the centre of the universe Cunt. Though you seem to think it is. Lmao what even is that first line in your response. Take your edgelordy bullshit somewhere else. Amazing how you keep ignoring literal facts and studies places in front of you and all youve provided is some out of context 'stats' No since youre the expert you break them down like a good boy. Im just gonna keep posting it by the way https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-what-does-the-science-actually-say-about-face-masks-12349337

Amazing how you keep ignoring what actually is reality and the fact is that masks did not help prevent or reduce the biggest spike in deaths and infections. It’s a literal fact. 

 

17 minutes ago, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

Or you could tell us youre medical degrees I guess

Nope its not that high. Debunked long ago. Keep ignoring facts though

 Let’s see over 10% I’ve the US population has been infected.

Overall percentage population dying due to COVID- 0.19% 

Overall percentage of deaths from infections (of course not counting those who have been infected on not been tested or died) - 1.76 % 

And so far around 82% of cases are recovered in the US. 

 

Yeah.. keep ignoring the stats and facts though 

5 minutes ago, Virginia Lot Lizard said:

It’s not that hard to wear a mask regardless if you think it helps or not… even if it only helps 0.005% so what? 

I am vaccinated and I wear a mask because I want this to be over. I do not feel it is not an infringement on my freedom but I think ignoring guidelines and possibly getting someone else sick is a massive infringement on freedom. 

If somewhere requires a mask I will respect that and wear one. I don’t consider it an infringement on my freedom, but it’s still pointless and stupid, especially since I’m vaccinated. 

[EmmaCharlatan&Saints]

5 minutes ago, Cunt said:

Amazing how you keep ignoring what actually is reality and the fact is that masks did not help prevent or reduce the biggest spike in deaths and infections. It’s a literal fact. 

 

 Let’s see over 10% I’ve the US population has been infected.

Overall percentage population dying due to COVID- 0.19% 

Overall percentage of deaths from infections (of course not counting those who have been infected on not been tested or died) - 1.76 % 

And so far around 82% of cases are recovered in the US. 

 

Yeah.. keep ignoring the stats and facts though 

If somewhere requires a mask I will respect that and wear one. I don’t consider it an infringement on my freedom, but it’s still pointless and stupid, especially since I’m vaccinated. 

Literally no one said they did. Almost like you ignore other factors involved in deaths and hospitalisations. You are good at that. Sorry you still didnt prove your stat of survival rate which people more knowledgable than you have already said is not 99%. Its not pointless and stupid. Oh also you dont know how vaccines work too! Amazing. Im done. You cant get through to people who want to be ignorant and remain that way. 

[Slave To The Network]

[GuitarPunk94]

16 hours ago, Cunt said:

If somewhere requires a mask I will respect that and wear one. I don’t consider it an infringement on my freedom, but it’s still pointless and stupid, especially since I’m vaccinated. 

you know that you can still spread the virus (especially delta) even if you are vaccinated?

and you guys in the US have only half of your population full-vaccinated

[Little Boy Named Booze]

I don't have any advantage of being vaxxinated. I'm still living like everyone else. 
All of this because there are still people who are scared and can't put a feet outside since a year and a half. It's fucking over for godsake! Even the Delta Variant isn't dangerous when you have 2 shots.

[Hermione]

2 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

I don't have any advantage of being vaxxinated. I'm still living like everyone else. 
All of this because there are still people who are scared and can't put a feet outside since a year and a half. It's fucking over for godsake! Even the Delta Variant isn't dangerous when you have 2 shots.

You do have an advantage, if you get it it's likely to be much milder. How is it over when people are still dying from it and many aren't vaxxed yet? Just because it would be nice for it to be over doesn't mean it is. We're getting closer to it that's all. 

[Cunt]

1 hour ago, GuitarPunk94 said:

you know that you can still spread the virus (especially delta) even if you are vaccinated?

and you guys in the US have only half of your population full-vaccinated

Yes I do know that but the chances of becoming infected are small and the delta variant may be more contagious but is not nearly as deadly as the alpha variant. 
 

it’s time to move on. Covid is here to stay forever and there will be new variants every few months. We need accept that unfortunate fact and move on.