Covid/vaccine rules at shows

[Hermione]

37 minutes ago, Cunt said:

Answer the question. When mask compliance was at its highest how come cases regard their highest points? If the science is that clear on masks the there shouldn’t have been a major spike in cases from October through January. 

What other factors? If the science is so sparkling clear on masks the how come cases didn’t drop, instead they spiked, when mask compliance was at its highest. 

I'm honestly staggered by your ignorance on this when so much information is freely available. Nobody has ever claimed that masks alone can stop the virus, only that they're one of many things that can lower how much it's spread. You really aren't aware that there's other factors in play besides masks? I can't believe that. Listen to medical professionals not some right wing politicians with an agenda or a hunch you have. I don't know what else to tell you.

1 hour ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

@Hermione this thread was really a great idea. 🙄

Better than the same in show threads I guess?  

But yeah maybe this thread should be more focused specifically on covid/vaccine rules at Green Day shows? Arguing with someone in denial of science when the information to disprove their claims has been out there for over a year is pretty tiresome wherever it takes place but if it needs to it would be better off in the General Chat covid thread. @Cunt you're not going to win people over to start believing anti science so unless you have something to say about covid rules at GD shows I don't see much point in carrying on with this, it's just going to be everyone disagreeing with you ad nauseam. 

[Cunt]

37 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

Correlation is not causation. Just because you notice a correlation between mask compliance and covid cases, does not mean that mask compliance is the cause for higher covid cases

Mask wearing alone is not enough to stop the spread of the virus, especially when new deadlier variants of the virus arise. That's why there's other things that we've needed to do i.e. social distancing, lockdowns, vaccines. But masks work. They reduce the spread of the virus. If nobody wore a mask, the covid cases would've been higher than they were

I’m not seeing an answer to the fact that when mask compliance was at its highest cases spiked and rose for 3 months.  Even in places with strict lockdown measures like California for example. 

19 minutes ago, Hermione said:

I'm honestly staggered by your ignorance on this when so much information is freely available. Nobody has ever claimed that masks alone can stop the virus, only that they're one of many things that can lower how much it's spread. You really aren't aware that there's other factors in play besides masks? I can't believe that. Listen to medical professionals not some right wing politicians with an agenda or a hunch you have. I don't know what else to tell you.

Better than the same in show threads I guess?  

But yeah maybe this thread should be more focused specifically on covid/vaccine rules at Green Day shows? Arguing with someone in denial of science when the information to disprove their claims has been out there for over a year is pretty tiresome wherever it takes place but if it needs to it would be better off in the General Chat covid thread. @Cunt you're not going to win people over to start believing anti science so unless you have something to say about covid rules at GD shows I don't see much point in carrying on with this, it's just going to be everyone disagreeing with you ad nauseam. 

Cases spiked when mask compliance was at its cases spiked to their worst and you want me to believe that they work? Really? And not to mention cases explodes in places where there with strict lockdown measures. So, actually, the SCIENCE, not the propaganda, doesn’t support your claims. 

[Hermione]

8 minutes ago, Cunt said:

I’m not seeing an answer to the fact that when mask compliance was at its highest cases spiked and rose for 3 months.  Even in places with strict lockdown measures like California for example. 

Cases spiked when mask compliance was at its cases spiked to their worst and you want me to believe that they work? Really? And not to mention cases explodes in places where there with strict lockdown measures. So, actually, the SCIENCE, not the propaganda, doesn’t support your claims. 

I just don't see a point in carrying on with this. People aren't going to agree with you and this barely relates to Green Day shows at this point. There's going to be whatever vaccine and mask rules the band/venues decide on regardless.

[purplebenny]

48 minutes ago, Cunt said:

Answer the question. When mask compliance was at its highest how come cases regard their highest points? If the science is that clear on masks the there shouldn’t have been a major spike in cases from October through January. 

What other factors? If the science is so sparkling clear on masks the how come cases didn’t drop, instead they spiked, when mask compliance was at its highest. 

You’re fixated on one anecdotal result. Without looking at social distancing, general mixing, prevalence of the variant in society etc etc.
You’re literally mixing up correlation and causation.

when world wide mask wearing is shown to reduce case volume.

[Christian's Inferno!]

8 minutes ago, Cunt said:

I’m not seeing an answer to the fact that when mask compliance was at its highest cases spiked and rose for 3 months.  Even in places with strict lockdown measures like California for example. 

The simple answer is masks don't make you immune from covid and the spread of covid was too big and wearing a mask isn't enough. We need to do other things like social distancing and getting vaccinated

The fact that you think if mask compliance goes up and cases also go up that masks don't do anything and are useless is quite baffling. 

[Cunt]

3 minutes ago, purplebenny said:

You’re fixated on one anecdotal result. Without looking at social distancing, general mixing, prevalence of the variant in society etc etc.
You’re literally mixing up correlation and causation.

when world wide mask wearing is shown to reduce case volume.

So with the other factors places with strict lockdowns STILL saw cases spike. 
 

and if mask wearing reduced case volume then how come cases spiked and not just spiked but exploded when mask compliance was at its highest? Can you answer that question or not? 

7 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

The simple answer is masks don't make you immune from covid and the spread of covid was too big and wearing a mask isn't enough. We need to do other things like social distancing and getting vaccinated

The fact that you think if mask compliance goes up and cases also go up that masks don't do anything and are useless is quite baffling. 

Getting vaccinated is a great way to prevent spread wearing a mask does nothing. Places with strict social distancing and lockdown measures still saw the same Covid surge. The fact that you think masks do anything despite high mask compliance not helping stave off a the biggest surge that we’ve seen is baffling. 

[suffoKate]

GD Related: Okay, their next 2 shows are in the Covid hot zone of Florida. Yeeesh!! Could be a make or break week for the tour🙈

[DookieLukie]

I don't know why people say "trust the doctors and scientists." You don't even need to. Go pick up an Intro to Biology textbook from the last 60 years and it'll have all you need to know about viruses and vaccines.

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

12 minutes ago, Radiation Field said:

GD Related: Okay, their next 2 shows are in the Covid hot zone of Florida. Yeeesh!! Could be a make or break week for the tour🙈

I've been wondering the same thing! 

Also I don't know if the girl who got up for KYE last night was supposed to hug Billie in the current circumstances 

[Guest]

I just find it really ironic that we have tried to stop arguing and people being combative on this site, but we created this thread where people just argue about vaccine rules. 🙄 And no, I am not saying anything is unfair or trying to start any trouble. I believe in the right of people to talk about whatever they want, and this is better than arguments breaking out in unrelated threads. But seriously, everyone had to know what was going to happen when this thread was created LOL. For my part, I have already said my piece and shared the sources about vaccine science, so I am moving on. Unfortunately I won't be at any of these shows, so I don't really need to worry about the rules. 🤣

3 hours ago, purplebenny said:

Certainly in Europe everyone can get a vaccine of the 4(?) available 

you may be allergic to the mRNA but the viral vector is an option and vice versa 

 

 

I mean, it might be rare for someone to be allergic to ALL the vaccines, but it's not impossible. Also, the viral vector vaccines like Astra Zeneca and J&J are seeing more breakthrough with Delta and also more serious side effects. Also, some people have immune issues that preclude all vaccinations. At any rate, my advice to anyone would be not to listen to GDC or any other Internet place and instead talk to your doctor and find out what is right for you. Most people will benefit from the vaccine, and I believe that people who can safely get vaccinated should. I already shared sources that show that the vaccines work and how/why they do so I won't go through all that again LOL. 

[jengd]

27 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

I don't know why people say "trust the doctors and scientists." You don't even need to. Go pick up an Intro to Biology textbook from the last 60 years and it'll have all you need to know about viruses and vaccines.

This.  I have heard loads of discussions since winter of people being amazed at how few coughs/colds etc we have all had and my daughter-in-law who is a doctor is in hysterics, she can't decided whether to laugh or cry and saying things like "WE TELL YOU NOT TO SNEEZE ON EACH OTHER" and "WASH YOU HANDS".  So much of this is very, very simple!

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

I don't know why people say "trust the doctors and scientists." You don't even need to. Go pick up an Intro to Biology textbook from the last 60 years and it'll have all you need to know about viruses and vaccines.

You finally said something I agree with LOL.

[desertrose]

Video from the local news station regarding the concern about the show.

 

 

 

[EmmaCharlatan&Saints]

18 hours ago, Cunt said:

Oh I’m sure those people really care that you think that. 

Exactly the problem. It does nothing to stop the spread of COVID. Even in the most compliant states and countries with mask mandates there were and are major spikes. 

They REDUCE THE SPREAD. Not one expert has ever said it stops it. 

4 hours ago, Cunt said:

Answer the question. When mask compliance was at its highest how come cases regard their highest points? If the science is that clear on masks the there shouldn’t have been a major spike in cases from October through January. 

What other factors? If the science is so sparkling clear on masks the how come cases didn’t drop, instead they spiked, when mask compliance was at its highest. 

Because masks dont STOP the virus. They reduce the risk of transmission. Also they dont work by themselves.  Also quick search https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/21/coronavirus-texas-vaccinated-deaths/ 9000 dead in 6 months.....ya how that no mask mandate work out? 

3 hours ago, Cunt said:

So with the other factors places with strict lockdowns STILL saw cases spike. 
 

and if mask wearing reduced case volume then how come cases spiked and not just spiked but exploded when mask compliance was at its highest? Can you answer that question or not? 

Getting vaccinated is a great way to prevent spread wearing a mask does nothing. Places with strict social distancing and lockdown measures still saw the same Covid surge. The fact that you think masks do anything despite high mask compliance not helping stave off a the biggest surge that we’ve seen is baffling. 

Probably because Delta is far more contagious. This is all very easy to find. Your weird fixation on masks alone proves absolutely nothing by the way

[RedundantIdiot]

Any sign of Britt on the tour given that they wanted everyone on the tour to be vaccinated? 

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

6 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

Btw, I'm pro-vaccine but not everyone is able to get the vaccine because of allergies, certain diseases etc. So I wouldn't say anything like "everyone who isn't getting a vaccine is selfish or an idiot". But because some people can't get the vaccine, it's important that everyone who is able to get it gets it so we can protect those who can't get it

 

I'm absolutely not surprised that @Eric is an antivaxxer though.

Masks have also been shown to work. Idk how people still think they don't at this point

It is very rare for people who have access to the vaccine to not be able to get it. My daughter has an autoimmune condition and her rheumatologist strongly advised that she get the vaccine, which she did with zero problems other than the normal side effects. So I just want to make clear that some people saying that they can't get it are making excuses for why they're choosing not to. For those who do have any kind of concerning medical condition though, they should absolutely have a conversation with their PCP or specialist before getting it. 

The big issue is that children 12 and under are about to start school with no access to vaccines. Anyone not getting vaccinated is contributing to the possible issues that we might see coming from this. Also high cases in certain areas with low vaccine rates contribute to continuing the pandemic and everything that goes with it, as well as creating a geographic petri dish for new and worse variants. 

I know we're on the same page on this, not criticizing this post. 

 

[alienlifeform]

9 minutes ago, RedundantIdiot said:

Any sign of Britt on the tour given that they wanted everyone on the tour to be vaccinated? 

she is home and on a rampage spreading misinformation through her stories

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

12 minutes ago, RedundantIdiot said:

Any sign of Britt on the tour given that they wanted everyone on the tour to be vaccinated? 

Brit isn't touring with them and she posts continuous insane conspiracy theories on her stories. She's not in touch with reality. 

[DookieLukie]

3 hours ago, jengd said:

This.  I have heard loads of discussions since winter of people being amazed at how few coughs/colds etc we have all had and my daughter-in-law who is a doctor is in hysterics, she can't decided whether to laugh or cry and saying things like "WE TELL YOU NOT TO SNEEZE ON EACH OTHER" and "WASH YOU HANDS".  So much of this is very, very simple!

Being isolated from one another probably helped with that as well. It's a unique result that will probably never be the case again, but I appreciate the emphasis on staying clean and handwashing. COVID has at least given us permission to care for our bodies more. If I see some guy scratching his crotch then trying to shake my hand, I have a polite way to decline lol.

[Lenny]

37 minutes ago, Alf said:

she is home and on a rampage spreading misinformation through her stories

What type of stuff has she been posting? 

[Joe.]

I'm not telling anyone what to be comfortable with, I wear a mask in public and at work for 8 hours a day, but you're standing in a sweaty pit crammed in like sardines and you're going to be jumping about and crashing in to others. I respect the decision to wear a mask in that environment, I know somethings better than nothing, but it kinda seems like trying to put a wildfire out with a water pistol in terms of effectiveness.

That's not to say don't do it, not to say masks don't work, but you've got to be realistic.

[pacejunkie punk]

8 minutes ago, Joe. said:

I'm not telling anyone what to be comfortable with, I wear a mask in public and at work for 8 hours a day, but you're standing in a sweaty pit crammed in like sardines and you're going to be jumping about and crashing in to others. I respect the decision to wear a mask in that environment, I know somethings better than nothing, but it kinda seems like trying to put a wildfire out with a water pistol in terms of effectiveness.

That's not to say don't do it, not to say masks don't work, but you've got to be realistic.

True. This is still a high risk environment of possible severe illness or death for the unvaccinated and a substantial risk of at least some transmission for the vaccinated.  But covid is also gonna be with us for the long term, and if the best we can hope for are vaccines, masks and a possible mild case of the virus, I think it’s time to live with those risks and take our chances and get our lives back for the sake of our mental well being (as long as everyone does what they can to take those necessary measures) 

[Flashback]

3 hours ago, DookieLukie said:

Being isolated from one another probably helped with that as well. It's a unique result that will probably never be the case again, but I appreciate the emphasis on staying clean and handwashing. COVID has at least given us permission to care for our bodies more. If I see some guy scratching his crotch then trying to shake my hand, I have a polite way to decline lol.

Isn‘t it sad that it needs a global pandemic that people start to respect the hygienic rules, that we all learned in preschool? 😄

[Cunt]

4 hours ago, EmmaCharlatan&Saints said:

They REDUCE THE SPREAD. Not one expert has ever said it stops it. 

Because masks dont STOP the virus. They reduce the risk of transmission. Also they dont work by themselves.  Also quick search https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/21/coronavirus-texas-vaccinated-deaths/ 9000 dead in 6 months.....ya how that no mask mandate work out? 

Probably because Delta is far more contagious. This is all very easy to find. Your weird fixation on masks alone proves absolutely nothing by the way

Literally several experts have said that masks help stop the spread. You keep using the word reduce which means to help stop/ prevent spread. It’s just simple word riddles that people use to act like they’re proving someone wrong. Like I say if it were true that masks “reduced” transmission we wouldn’t have had the spike over the winter when mask compliance was at its highest. That’s literally conflicting with the data that masks “reduce” the spread of COVID. 

15,000 deaths in the month of January alone in California….. ya how’d that mask mandate and those draconian lockdowns work out? Also Texas ended their mandate in March and did not see an uptick until last month when the Delta Variant started spreading more rapidly. 
 

The time period that I’m referring to with mask compliance being at its highest has nothing to do with the Delta Variant. Your bias and  unwillingness to actually evaluate the facts proves that you know nothing. 

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

"Your bias and  unwillingness to actually evaluate the facts proves that you know nothing"

Know nothing about what? Epidemiology and statistics? Are those your strong suits? We'd love to hear what you know about these topics that none of the experts are aware of.