Covid/vaccine rules at shows

[Cunt]

25 minutes ago, Billie Joes Eyelids said:

I'll definitely take your word for over the actual data and every epidemiologist

There is no hard evidence to support the fact that masks work. If they did you wouldn’t have had the major spike over the winter when mask compliance was at its highest.  

[jetsrule128]

I wear a mask 6 hours a day at work 

 

it’s not a big deal.  

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

18 minutes ago, Cunt said:

There is no hard evidence to support the fact that masks work. If they did you wouldn’t have had the major spike over the winter when mask compliance was at its highest.  

You've got to be kidding. Mask wearing for mitigation of COVID spread is now one of the most well-studied and data proven medical topics out there since the pandemic started. I could list 10 solid studies right here, and that would only be the beginning. Where are you getting your information on this?

As far as your other point, if you look at graphs, spikes consistently occur when people loosen up and stop wearing masks, then go down again when everyone realizes there's an uptick and starts wearing them again. The spike you're speaking of would have been much worse without masks. 

[Cunt]

25 minutes ago, Billie Joes Eyelids said:

You've got to be kidding. Mask wearing for mitigation of COVID spread is now one of the most well-studied and data proven medical topics out there since the pandemic started. I could list 10 solid studies right here, and that would only be the beginning. Where are you getting your information on this?

As far as your other point, if you look at graphs, spikes consistently occur when people loosen up and stop wearing masks, then go down again when everyone realizes there's an uptick and starts wearing them again. The spike you're speaking of would have been much worse without masks. 

When mask compliance was at its highest how come cases reached their highest points over the winter? 

[Cunt]

And if spikes happen when mask restrictions are loosened then why wasn’t there a spike when Texas ended their mask mandate? 

The only way out of this pandemic is getting people vaccinated or herd immunity. Not wearing a stupid piece of cloth on your face. 

[Eric]

13 hours ago, Radiation Field said:

I'd be so fucking embarrassed if I were a grown-ass adult who hasn't been vaccinated yet (in the USA).

lol I haven't, i'd be so fucking embarrassed if I were a grown-ass adult who doesn't respect another person's decisions to be vaccinated.

This forum is something else...  

[Hermione]

45 minutes ago, Eric said:

lol I haven't, i'd be so fucking embarrassed if I were a grown-ass adult who doesn't respect another person's decisions to be vaccinated.

This forum is something else...  

A decision that can lead to killing others who haven't been vaccinated yet or can't be. That prolongs a global pandemic that is killing people and destroying jobs and industries. And a decision based on believing anti science and conspiracy theory bullshit. Ignorance and selfishness doesn't deserve to be respected. Let me guess, no one you love has died from covid? 

1 hour ago, Cunt said:

When mask compliance was at its highest how come cases reached their highest points over the winter? 

Because there's other factors besides masks. Imagine believing uneducated politicians and media personalities or your own uneducated hunches in a field you have no expertise in over scientists and doctors.

[Eric]

3 minutes ago, Hermione said:

A decision that can lead to killing others who haven't been vaccinated yet or can't be. That prolongs a global pandemic that is killing people and destroying jobs and industries. And a decision based on believing anti science and conspiracy theory bullshit. Ignorance and selfishness doesn't deserve to be respected. Let me guess, no one you love has died from covid? 

 

Because there's other factors besides masks. Imagine believing uneducated politicians and media personalities or your own uneducated hunches in a field you have no expertise in over scientists and doctors.

oh wow... again "i'd be so fucking embarrassed if I were a grown-ass adult who doesn't respect another person's decisions to be vaccinated." imagine being ignorant with yourself in that comment right back at me. I can choose what I want to do and for you attacking my decision is pure ignorance at it's finest. I expect more from gdc chat mods/admin or whatever

GDC would be the type of forum to  ban all the non vaccinated lmao

I am sure you know someone that is not vaccinated and wouldn't say anything to them irl  

Glad I do not attack those who are vaccinated, I respect your decisions but I will not attack you like you attacking those who aren't  

[suffoKate]

1 hour ago, Eric said:

lol I haven't, i'd be so fucking embarrassed if I were a grown-ass adult who doesn't respect another person's decisions to be vaccinated.

This forum is something else...  

what’s your reason for not getting it?

Edited July 30, 2021 by Radiation Field

[Slave To The Network]

I have to admit I'm getting very worried about going. Mine will be the last show of the North American tour (I think) on September 6th. The way things are going now doesn't make me feel safe when I think about being around so many people who may or may not be fully vaccinated. I wonder if there will be an impact on the tour.

Maybe I should just sell my tickets and hope GD comes back on a tour of their own soon. When do we think that might happen (or is it going to happen)?

[Hermione]

18 minutes ago, Eric said:

oh wow... again "i'd be so fucking embarrassed if I were a grown-ass adult who doesn't respect another person's decisions to be vaccinated." imagine being ignorant with yourself in that comment right back at me. I can choose what I want to do and for you attacking my decision is pure ignorance at it's finest. I expect more from gdc chat mods/admin or whatever

GDC would be the type of forum to  ban all the non vaccinated lmao

I am sure you know someone that is not vaccinated and wouldn't say anything to them irl  

Yes you can choose to be selfish and favour anti science conspiracy theories over science. And others can choose to point that out or correct incorrect claims. The only people who don't want to be vaccinated here are dumbass Tories who base their medical decisions on their politcal affiliation and/or conspiracy theories like so many in the US, thankfully I don't know many of them. Everyone in my family is certainly grateful to be vaccinated after losing my uncle before the vaccines were available  

 

I would prefer not to go to a show with a mask because I do find them unpleasant when doing strenuous activity (eg standing/dancing/sweating in a pit for many hours). But going without one would be much worse. I wouldn't want to risk going to a show with or without one while we're still at a point where they're needed. So I would simply not buy tickets for a show yet, or would have got a refund (since when I bought the tickets a pandemic and masks weren't a thing yet). I wouldn't be a selfish ass. 

[michael1989]

Children behaaaaaaaaaaaaaavvvvvveeee!

[Eric]

1 minute ago, Hermione said:

Yes you can choose to be selfish and favour anti science conspiracy theories over science. And others can choose to point that out or correct incorrect claims. The only people who don't want to be vaccinated here are dumbass Tories who base their medical decisions on their politcal affiliation and/or conspiracy theories like so many in the US, thankfully I don't know many of them. Everyone in my family is certainly grateful to be vaccinated after losing my uncle before the vaccines were available  

 

I would prefer not to go to a show with a mask because I do find them unpleasant when doing strenuous activity (eg standing/dancing in a pit for many hours). But going without one would be much worse. I wouldn't want to risk going to a show with or without one while we're still at a point where they're needed. So I would simply not buy tickets for a show yet, or would have got a refund (since when I bought the tickets a pandemic and masks weren't a thing yet). I wouldn't be a selfish ass. 

go ahead to attack my decision, I respect yours. sorry to hear about your Uncle. Keep attacking me though.

 

[suffoKate]

1 minute ago, Slave To The Network said:

Maybe I should just sell my tickets and hope GD comes back on a tour of their own soon. When do we think that might happen (or is it going to happen)?

After a new album? Seems like foam era ran its course.

[Hermione]

1 hour ago, Eric said:

go ahead to attack my decision, I respect yours. sorry to hear about your Uncle. Keep attacking me though.

 

Thanks. The thing is my decision doesn't negatively affect other people, whereas yours potentially does. No one is stopping you doing what you want but if you choose to post things in this thread people can have an opinion on it or point out incorrect info.

[purplebenny]

6 hours ago, Cunt said:

There is no hard evidence to support the fact that masks work. If they did you wouldn’t have had the major spike over the winter when mask compliance was at its highest.  

There is plenty of hard evidence.

referencing a single place where the mask mandate didn’t reduce infection is not “hard evidence”

masks limit the spread of droplets and therefore the spread of the disease. This has been shown internationally time and time again by scientists and epidemiologists.

If you even think about it for 5 seconds it makes perfect sense.

 

 

on Vaccines, someone not getting one is either 1)selfish 2) an idiotic conspiracy theory, or 3) a terrifyingly worrying mix of both 

 

 

 

 

[Clockwise]

4 hours ago, Eric said:

go ahead to attack my decision, I respect yours. sorry to hear about your Uncle. Keep attacking me though.

 

[Christian's Inferno!]

Btw, I'm pro-vaccine but not everyone is able to get the vaccine because of allergies, certain diseases etc. So I wouldn't say anything like "everyone who isn't getting a vaccine is selfish or an idiot". But because some people can't get the vaccine, it's important that everyone who is able to get it gets it so we can protect those who can't get it

 

I'm absolutely not surprised that @Eric is an antivaxxer though.

Masks have also been shown to work. Idk how people still think they don't at this point

[purplebenny]

9 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

Btw, I'm pro-vaccine but not everyone is able to get the vaccine because of allergies, certain diseases etc. So I wouldn't say anything like "everyone who isn't getting a vaccine is selfish or an idiot". But because some people can't get the vaccine, it's important that everyone who is able to get it gets it so we can protect those who can't get it

 

I'm absolutely not surprised that @Eric is an antivaxxer though.

Masks have also been shown to work. Idk how people still think they don't at this point

Certainly in Europe everyone can get a vaccine of the 4(?) available 

you may be allergic to the mRNA but the viral vector is an option and vice versa 

 

 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

@Hermione this thread was really a great idea. 🙄

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

7 hours ago, Cunt said:

And if spikes happen when mask restrictions are loosened then why wasn’t there a spike when Texas ended their mask mandate? 

The only way out of this pandemic is getting people vaccinated or herd immunity. Not wearing a stupid piece of cloth on your face. 

Can you not understand the concept of multiple defenses? Masking, along with other measures, definitively makes a difference. There is really no arguing this as the data is so strong.

Also the uptick in cases lags. You're not going to see another surge until well after masking and other precautions end. Not to mention that any significant decrease in cases happened after vaccinations were finally widely distributed, so it's correlational and not causational that it happened along with a decrease in masks. 

[Cunt]

32 minutes ago, Billie Joes Eyelids said:

Can you not understand the concept of multiple defenses? Masking, along with other measures, definitively makes a difference. There is really no arguing this as the data is so strong.

Also the uptick in cases lags. You're not going to see another surge until well after masking and other precautions end. Not to mention that any significant decrease in cases happened after vaccinations were finally widely distributed, so it's correlational and not causational that it happened along with a decrease in masks. 

So let me get this straight. Mask compliance reaches its highest point and cases rise for 3 months. Then once cases start to drop because of herd immunity and vaccine rollout Texas ends its mask mandate. It took 4 months for there to be a spike cases. Are you serious in telling me that it took 4 months of not wearing masks for Covid to spike? That is a ridiculous claim. 

2 hours ago, purplebenny said:

There is plenty of hard evidence.

referencing a single place where the mask mandate didn’t reduce infection is not “hard evidence”

masks limit the spread of droplets and therefore the spread of the disease. This has been shown internationally time and time again by scientists and epidemiologists.

If you even think about it for 5 seconds it makes perfect sense.

 

 

on Vaccines, someone not getting one is either 1)selfish 2) an idiotic conspiracy theory, or 3) a terrifyingly worrying mix of both 

 

 

 

 

Again I say mask compliance was at its highest and cases spiked for three months.

[purplebenny]

15 minutes ago, Cunt said:

So let me get this straight. Mask compliance reaches its highest point and cases rise for 3 months. Then once cases start to drop because of herd immunity and vaccine rollout Texas ends its mask mandate. It took 4 months for there to be a spike cases. Are you serious in telling me that it took 4 months of not wearing masks for Covid to spike? That is a ridiculous claim. 

Again I say mask compliance was at its highest and cases spiked for three months.

There are numerous reasons for cases rising!!

masks help reduce spread. This is scientifically proven with diseases all over the world, is backed up by worldwide epidemiologists and helps reduce infection spread due to the way this disease works!

using an anecdotal example doesn’t prove anything!

 

 

[Cunt]

1 minute ago, purplebenny said:

There are numerous reasons for cases rising!!

masks help reduce spread. This is scientifically proven with diseases all over the world, is backed up by worldwide epidemiologists and helps reduce infection spread due to the way this disease works!

using an anecdotal example doesn’t prove anything!

 

 

Answer the question. When mask compliance was at its highest how come cases regard their highest points? If the science is that clear on masks the there shouldn’t have been a major spike in cases from October through January. 

7 hours ago, Hermione said:

 

Because there's other factors besides masks. Imagine believing uneducated politicians and media personalities or your own uneducated hunches in a field you have no expertise in over scientists and doctors.

What other factors? If the science is so sparkling clear on masks the how come cases didn’t drop, instead they spiked, when mask compliance was at its highest. 

[Christian's Inferno!]

19 minutes ago, Cunt said:

So let me get this straight. Mask compliance reaches its highest point and cases rise for 3 months. Then once cases start to drop because of herd immunity and vaccine rollout Texas ends its mask mandate. It took 4 months for there to be a spike cases. Are you serious in telling me that it took 4 months of not wearing masks for Covid to spike? That is a ridiculous claim. 

Again I say mask compliance was at its highest and cases spiked for three months.

Correlation is not causation. Just because you notice a correlation between mask compliance and covid cases, does not mean that mask compliance is the cause for higher covid cases

Mask wearing alone is not enough to stop the spread of the virus, especially when new deadlier variants of the virus arise. That's why there's other things that we've needed to do i.e. social distancing, lockdowns, vaccines. But masks work. They reduce the spread of the virus. If nobody wore a mask, the covid cases would've been higher than they were