Instagram Fanpages are being taken down

[Guest]

1 minute ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

But what about Green Day Brazil, for example? Not Europe, not US. Seems to be more widespread than the implementation of laws. I guess they could just be trying to get ahead of it without even determining who is who or where they’re located or what they’re doing.

I hate Facebook so much. It’s done so much more harm than good. Wish it and everything associated with it would burst into flames. (Whoops, guess I’m on a list now.)

Yeah, I think to be safe they are just taking everything down without bothering with where the pages are based. Probably doing it with an algorithm as others have suggested.

3 minutes ago, Minority103 said:

What if the band/celebrity/brand gives permission? 

 

 

I don't think this has anything to do with content about the band. It's about, for example, photos taken at a concert or for a magazine. Those technically belong to a photographer and if those are used without payment or attribution then the photographer can sue. 

[Minority103]

25 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said:

I don't think this has anything to do with content about the band. It's about, for example, photos taken at a concert or for a magazine. Those technically belong to a photographer and if those are used without payment or attribution then the photographer can sue. 

So giving credits on the pic isn’t enough? Sorry for all the questions, I’m just trying to understand what to do, now Instagram told me AGAIN to send a picture of me holding my ID card to see if who runs the account a real person, but the mail was in Japanese... WTF??? 
Thw first email was in Italian then in English now in Japanese... ok! As u want. 
 

I don’t know if send the ID card again or what 

[Joe.]

21 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

One thought — someone pointed out that HCTS was released independently by Green Day (you can see that on iTunes and Spotify where it used to say copyright Reprise). If this is an indication that Green Day have now finally left Warner, could Warner be coming down on all their fangroups for infringement? Is this some kind of retaliation or power move?  The timing is suspicious 

What do Warner benefit from doing this? I doubt the band are gonna go back to their label because @GDFANS_Argentina has been taken off Instagram 

49 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

What I’m saying is if the accounts and posts in question have nothing to do with Europe I don’t see how a European law would really apply or affect them. But a change in US law might make a little more sense.

However, someone still has to be the one filing these claims, right? It’s not like Facebook/Instagram would automatically be filing them on their behalf. It’s really confusing, especially because the band isn’t involved, according to Bill. Maybe it’s Facebook/Instagram overreacting preemptively to the change to avoid claims? Who knows. 

I agree it’s bullshit, but if Instagram have a base in the EU I’m assuming they have to comply with EU laws

[pacejunkie punk]

2 minutes ago, Joe. said:

What do Warner benefit from doing this? I doubt the band are gonna go back to their label because @GDFANS_Argentina has been taken off Instagram 

This was 21 hours ago. We’ve learned more about the situation since so no sense debating it.  Warner exercises their rights on YouTube all the time so I didn’t know if it was related to those kinds of copyright claims but seems to be an Instagram move (I think)

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Fuzz said:

It also doesn’t really matter. Whether places give credit or not doesn’t mean much legally. Either accounts have permission to post the photos or they don’t. 
 

that said, the problem I have with it is that all fandoms on the Internet thrive on sharing everything they can about a musician or celebrity. That’s been the culture online since the internet was founded. 
 

the way I see it, Green Day (or any musician/celebrity) hire photographers to take thier photo for publicity. Magazines hire photographers to take photos of these musicians for publicity of their publication.  Photographers deserve to be paid for their work. And their wishes should be respected.  But for overzealous law firms to go after fan bases for money just because they can is really shitty and it hurts the very people these fan accounts are promoting. There needs to be some nuance and understanding. The fact that people can go after and delete small communities is harmful. Copyright law hasn’t kept up with the speed and changes to the way people use the internet and it should be more fair for everyone. Not just the companies who have found a way to monetize what I’d consider legal harassment. 

So I (and others) just posted a bunch about relevant laws if you are interested. I think it is really just a product of how messed up social media has become. It has become a cesspool of misinformation and harassments and conspiracy theories and I  the platforms are finally getting forced to crack down and now a lot of innocent people are going to be hurt in the process. This is why we can't have nice things.

11 minutes ago, Minority103 said:

So giving credits on the pic isn’t enough? Sorry for all the questions, I’m just trying to understand what to do, now Instagram told me AGAIN to send a picture of me holding my ID card to see if who runs the account a real person, but the mail was in Japanese... WTF??? 
Thw first email was in Italian then in English now in Japanese... ok! As u want. 
 

I don’t know if send the ID card again or what 

Ok, this sounds like a different issue then. They must thing it is a bot account and want you to prove your are a real human LOL.

[solongfromthestars]

1 hour ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said:

But most sites won't. They become quickly verbally abusive, refuse and block

Yeah, I know that isn't why these pages are being taken down (seems more like a weird general thing Instagram is doing) but as a photographer and artist this is my experience with fan pages. Green Day fans have even won contests with my work and it's been too late by the time I've seen it. I rarely bother asking for credit anymore because 99% of the time I get ignored or abused, no matter how polite I am. There are a few accounts that are decent about it but it really is a few. It's not like they don't know what they're doing isn't nice behaviour - they often get aggressive when someone reposts something they "found" first, so clearly they wouldn't like it if someone did it to them.

I'm not saying I agree with taking legal action against a fan page for using a photo. What's happened to GDA is ridiculous, especially because if someone is doing a photoshoot with Green Day, they're probably not desperate for money. If people want to use my art or photos that's cool - I share them for others to enjoy - and if they're genuinely unaware who took them, I'm not going to shout at them, but I don't deserve to be called names or harassed for asking for credit either. It'd be nice if fans had even a bit of respect for the people who bring them art and photos they wouldn't see otherwise, because as of now the majority don't.

[pacejunkie punk]

41 minutes ago, Minority103 said:

So giving credits on the pic isn’t enough? Sorry for all the questions, I’m just trying to understand what to do, now Instagram told me AGAIN to send a picture of me holding my ID card to see if who runs the account a real person, but the mail was in Japanese... WTF??? 
Thw first email was in Italian then in English now in Japanese... ok! As u want. 
 

I don’t know if send the ID card again or what 

It seems several account owners are being asked to provide ID without really being told what the problem is. We’re all just speculating here, so we really have no idea what will satisfy them without knowing the reasons for their actions. 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said:

Yeah, I know that isn't why these pages are being taken down (seems more like a weird general thing Instagram is doing) but as a photographer and artist this is my experience with fan pages. Green Day fans have even won contests with my work and it's been too late by the time I've seen it. I rarely bother asking for credit anymore because 99% of the time I get ignored or abused, no matter how polite I am. There are a few accounts that are decent about it but it really is a few. It's not like they don't know what they're doing isn't nice behaviour - they often get aggressive when someone reposts something they "found" first, so clearly they wouldn't like it if someone did it to them.

I'm not saying I agree with taking legal action against a fan page for using a photo. What's happened to GDA is ridiculous, especially because if someone is doing a photoshoot with Green Day, they're probably not desperate for money. If people want to use my photos that's cool - I share them for others to enjoy - but it'd just be nice if fans had even a bit of respect for the people who bring them art and photos they wouldn't see otherwise, because as of now the majority don't.

I think it's just the shitty culture of social media. Everything online has become abusive. Pretty soon none of us are going to be able to have anything because of it.

I totally feel for you with people stealing your work. Not sure how these things work in the U.K, but in the U.S. you would be able to sue in the situations you described where people used your work to win awards if there was money involved. 

In all honesty though, I wish social media companies would take action against stuff like QAnon, and the people making up conspiracy theories about private citizens that lead to people getting death threats, and the people posting child porn/revenge porn/videos of real sex crimes on Pornhub, etc. This kinda feels like just going after low-hanging fruit to make a point.

[greenday.stuff]

21 hours ago, foxborohottub said:

We need a complete list of pages that were removed so we can try and get Instagram to restore the accounts. Can you please post any removed accounts so we can include them in our request? 
 

thx

Bill

Thank you so much bill for working to fix this. My account is @greenday.stuff and my friend is @greendayslongview

My account is super important to me, and I really appreciate that you guys are helping us out. I’m a minor and I would really prefer to not send in my ID. Especially after many people who sent it in got deleted. 

[pacejunkie punk]

If the problem is as widespread as it seems it’s possible that they can’t fix this, but fingers crossed 🤞 

Edit: Goddammit now The_Green_Day_Fans account is gone! They were there just an hour ago. I’m losing all my groups. It’s the fucking Purge!

[Beyza]

2 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

It seems several account owners are being asked to provide ID without really being told what the problem is. We’re all just speculating here, so we really have no idea what will satisfy them without knowing the reasons for their actions. 

After 24 hours, this message appeared when I tried to sign in. And after clicking "let us know", they wanted me to provide National ID card that includes my name and photo. Also, I got an e-mail from Facebook at the same time, I don't know why but it was written in Japanese, anyways it was asking me to send a picture of myself by showing my ID card. I tried to complete all the steps but I don't know how it will end up. 

[greenday.stuff]

4 hours ago, solongfromthestars said:

Yeah, I know that isn't why these pages are being taken down (seems more like a weird general thing Instagram is doing) but as a photographer and artist this is my experience with fan pages. Green Day fans have even won contests with my work and it's been too late by the time I've seen it. I rarely bother asking for credit anymore because 99% of the time I get ignored or abused, no matter how polite I am. There are a few accounts that are decent about it but it really is a few. It's not like they don't know what they're doing isn't nice behaviour - they often get aggressive when someone reposts something they "found" first, so clearly they wouldn't like it if someone did it to them.

I'm not saying I agree with taking legal action against a fan page for using a photo. What's happened to GDA is ridiculous, especially because if someone is doing a photoshoot with Green Day, they're probably not desperate for money. If people want to use my art or photos that's cool - I share them for others to enjoy - and if they're genuinely unaware who took them, I'm not going to shout at them, but I don't deserve to be called names or harassed for asking for credit either. It'd be nice if fans had even a bit of respect for the people who bring them art and photos they wouldn't see otherwise, because as of now the majority don't.

I just wanted to say that I'm sorry that you've had a bad experience with a lot of fans regarding your photos. I personally do my best to give credit when I can, but I've witnessed many ridiculous and stupid fights between immature fans (most of whom are old enough to know what they're doing) over who found what picture. A lot of people find images from places such as Pinterest, but most of the time no photographer is given. If you ever see me post any of your pictures when I get my account back (it's @greenday.stuff on Instagram), please don't hesitate to let me know. I will happily give credit. A lot of the community (and the app itself), can be very corrupted at times, and I 100% agree with you that people need to start being more respectful. You deserve credit for your work when it is able to be given. 

But yeah this situation is absolutely ridiculous. Instagram has some explaining to do. All of the accounts taken down are very clearly fan pages. What sucks even more is that many of the people taken down (including myself) are minors who are just sharing their love for their favorite band. I've been given no explanation for why my account has been disabled, and I'm really worried about it getting deleted. I've had this account for 2 and a half years, and I'm almost at 6k followers. I'm just really pissed off and I think that I should have some sort of explanation.

Edited February 22, 2021 by greenday.stuff

[dangreenday]

This all seems super strange.... i don't quite understand why this is happening ? 🤨

[BeachBum]

4 hours ago, solongfromthestars said:

Yeah, I know that isn't why these pages are being taken down (seems more like a weird general thing Instagram is doing) but as a photographer and artist this is my experience with fan pages. Green Day fans have even won contests with my work and it's been too late by the time I've seen it. I rarely bother asking for credit anymore because 99% of the time I get ignored or abused, no matter how polite I am. There are a few accounts that are decent about it but it really is a few. It's not like they don't know what they're doing isn't nice behaviour - they often get aggressive when someone reposts something they "found" first, so clearly they wouldn't like it if someone did it to them.

I'm not saying I agree with taking legal action against a fan page for using a photo. What's happened to GDA is ridiculous, especially because if someone is doing a photoshoot with Green Day, they're probably not desperate for money. If people want to use my art or photos that's cool - I share them for others to enjoy - and if they're genuinely unaware who took them, I'm not going to shout at them, but I don't deserve to be called names or harassed for asking for credit either. It'd be nice if fans had even a bit of respect for the people who bring them art and photos they wouldn't see otherwise, because as of now the majority don't.

This.  

As a photographer I find copyright laws to be outdated and really need to be updated to fit the social media age.  

I am not going to go after some random person who shares an image on instagram for $1000's because they love my worked and wanted to share it.  No, and quite honestly that is just bad for business in this day and age.  If people are sharing your work then social media is doing it's job.  If you are going to sue every random joe who shares your work, they don't post it on the internet

As for credit I for the most part have gotten over that, I mean it seemed like such a big deal when I started but if someone truly cares about who produced the work they can find out.  You are however within your rights to request the credit or have the images removed. Most don't know they came across the image without credit in the first place.  If they want to be dicks about it send a DCMA takedown notice, or report the image.  Don't waste your time with people who don't care if the first place

Now people who make money off your work!    THEY KNOW BETTER! They are fair, game. 

As for the GDA mess over a single photo.  It is a petty move and I have no respect for any of the parties involved.

[GuitarPunk94]

i dont have special knowledge to this, but as some of you pointed out, this new "article 13" in the EU law could be the reason

there was a huuuge discussion on german websites about this when the EU voted about this, its a bit difficult to explain, but its literally a internet censorship law

[greenday.stuff]

13 minutes ago, GuitarPunk94 said:

i dont have special knowledge to this, but as some of you pointed out, this new "article 13" in the EU law could be the reason

there was a huuuge discussion on german websites about this when the EU voted about this, its a bit difficult to explain, but its literally a internet censorship law

What about the accounts that aren't European? I'm American but my account still got disabled. This whole situation is so confusing.

Also I might have missed something, but did something happen with GDA other than their Instagram being taken down?

Edited February 22, 2021 by greenday.stuff

[gdmadeinargentina]

For everything we've been seeing since yesterday. It is not limited to a specific continent. For example, we are a page from Argentina. And it has affected communities around Latin America as well. It seems that it is a change in policies or a global application of them. It is as if through the instagram algorithm, the accounts are being canceled. It is not something specific, but rather more automatic and let's say. Because the affected accounts vary greatly both in the country of origin and the number of followers. They had even suggested the topic of usernames (having green day in it) but many pages that do not have it have been unsubscribed. It is also evident that it is something that is happening randomly, because some accounts in Argentina are still working. And others just closed today. We dont know if it is a permanent change in this social network, but it seems much like youtube.

[Macys]

I hate that Instagram blocks videos if you put Green Day’s music in. Wtf I’m not claiming it’s my property I’m just using it cause it matches the scene. Now they are going after pics. Instagram is just pathetic 

[greenday.stuff]

Has anybody who sent in ID and other information gotten their page back? I was going to wait for another update from Bill before I do anything cause I'm worried about my page getting deleted.

Let me rephrase that. Has anybody even gotten their account back? Also I’ve just been informed that @green_day_aesthetic was also disabled @foxborohottub

[Minority103]

13 minutes ago, greenday.stuff said:

Has anybody who sent in ID and other information gotten their page back? I was going to wait for another update from Bill before I do anything cause I'm worried about my page getting deleted.

 

I submitted the ID card but they asked me again but in Japanese (?) ahah 

[Fuzz]

7 hours ago, nopride84 said:

guess we better find a new place before they come for the forum. time to download everything now before too late and theres no back ups anywhere or anywhere to get files 

Nah. The forum is more protected because we aren’t liable for content others post, so long as we make it easy for people to contact us to request things be removed. (That’s a simplification of the law, but that’s basically it). So I’m not worried about GDC as long as we are respecting those requests which we always do. 

5 hours ago, solongfromthestars said:

Yeah, I know that isn't why these pages are being taken down (seems more like a weird general thing Instagram is doing) but as a photographer and artist this is my experience with fan pages. Green Day fans have even won contests with my work and it's been too late by the time I've seen it. I rarely bother asking for credit anymore because 99% of the time I get ignored or abused, no matter how polite I am. There are a few accounts that are decent about it but it really is a few. It's not like they don't know what they're doing isn't nice behaviour - they often get aggressive when someone reposts something they "found" first, so clearly they wouldn't like it if someone did it to them.

I'm not saying I agree with taking legal action against a fan page for using a photo. What's happened to GDA is ridiculous, especially because if someone is doing a photoshoot with Green Day, they're probably not desperate for money. If people want to use my art or photos that's cool - I share them for others to enjoy - and if they're genuinely unaware who took them, I'm not going to shout at them, but I don't deserve to be called names or harassed for asking for credit either. It'd be nice if fans had even a bit of respect for the people who bring them art and photos they wouldn't see otherwise, because as of now the majority don't.

I agree entirely. I absolutely think photographers should be able to ask for credit (or the photo be removed) without being bullied or harassed about it. Ultimately it is their work. At the very least it’s not unreasonable to ask for credit. And if someone doesn’t want their photos shared, it’s totally within their rights. 

22 minutes ago, greenday.stuff said:

Has anybody who sent in ID and other information gotten their page back? I was going to wait for another update from Bill before I do anything cause I'm worried about my page getting deleted.

Let me rephrase that. Has anybody even gotten their account back? Also I’ve just been informed that @green_day_aesthetic was also disabled @foxborohottub

Nope. I did that stuff several weeks ago and the only thing I got back was a notification that it didn’t met their requirements and the case was being closed. I replied trying to give more info and never heard back. 

[greenday.stuff]

On 2/21/2021 at 3:21 PM, Alf said:

Bill, the ones I've been in touch are:

@greendaybrasiloficial @gda @gdmiarg @greenday_ita @greendaylatam @greendayinc @greendaymx @greendayitalianrageandlove  @greendayjournal  @greendaychile  @greendayvideo
 

I know I’ve said it previously, but I just want to make sure that myself and others are included. My account is @greenday.stuff 

@greendayslongview and @green_day_aesthetic were also disabled. I think the other known ones have already been said by other people. 

[Fuzz]

6 hours ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said:

 

@Fuzz  could this end up being a problem for the picture, IG and Twitter threads? Even us posting scans and articles? 

No. We aren’t hosting that content. So if someone has a problem with photos that were posted to Twitter or Instagram and someone linked them here, the complaint goes to Instagram and Twitter 

3 minutes ago, greenday.stuff said:

I know I’ve said it previously, but I just want to make sure that myself and others are included. My account is @greenday.stuff 

@greendayslongview and @green_day_aesthetic were also disabled. I think the other known ones have already been said by other people. 

I don’t have time to keep track of the list right now but I’ll ask one of the mods to go through this thread and edit the list into the first post. 

[BeachBum]

Disabled Instagram Accounts

Quote

@gda
@green_day_aesthetic
@greenday_ita 
@gdmiarg
@greendaylatam
@greendayinc
@greendaymx 
@greendayitalianrageandlove  
@greendayjournal  
@greendaychile
@greendaybrasiloficial
@greendayjournal 
@greendayvideo
@greenday.stuff
@greendayslongview
@The_Green_Day_Fans
@greenday.fm
@gdlot 
@godsfaveband
@postsgreenday
@only.greenday
@americanidiotvideos 
@greendaydookie 
@greendaychile

tag @BeachBum with any additional accounts and I will add them to the list

@foxborohottub the list is linked in the opening post so that it can be easily located

[pacejunkie punk]

@BeachBum please add @greenday.fm to the list.  Thanks