Instagram Fanpages are being taken down

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

I've been thinking about this and really is Instagram the place for fan sites? Isn't it a place for people to post original photos/content or news? 

Maybe that's an unpopular opinion but is it really fair for people to be posting other people's work? I mean there's a repost option if you like something but people don't use it 

[Squashie]

28 minutes ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said:

I've been thinking about this and really is Instagram the place for fan sites? Isn't it a place for people to post original photos/content or news? 

Maybe that's an unpopular opinion but is it really fair for people to be posting other people's work? I mean there's a repost option if you like something but people don't use it 

It's probably because the repost option requires an additional app. I do agree with you though. 

[IsaGreenDay]

30 minutes ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said:

I've been thinking about this and really is Instagram the place for fan sites? Isn't it a place for people to post original photos/content or news? 

Maybe that's an unpopular opinion but is it really fair for people to be posting other people's work? I mean there's a repost option if you like something but people don't use it 

A lot of these accounts are really informative though, more so than the official accounts, and also way more active and engaging. If I only relied on official content to get “hyped” or whatever I probably wouldn’t - which would be bad for the band.

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

Just now, IsaGreenDay said:

A lot of these accounts are really informative though, more so than the official accounts, and also way more active and engaging. If I only relied on official content to get “hyped” or whatever I probably wouldn’t - which would be bad for the band.

But a lot of what they post is what has been officially posted elsewhere. Maybe it's just me but I don't really follow fan accounts because they all post the same things over and over. I don't mean to offend anyone. Just my opinion 

[pacejunkie punk]

Man even my discover page has way fewer Green Day photos because so many accounts were taken down 😢 IG sucks now

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

I still have loads of GD pics coming up on my discover page (even though I post landscapes - must be because I follow GD!) They're all rehashed older photos I've seen before though, sometimes cropped or badly filtered. 

The couple of times I've posted anything rare or original on my collection page the fansites have taken it within minutes without credit trying to pass it off as their own

[Beyza]

4 hours ago, IsaGreenDay said:

A lot of these accounts are really informative though, more so than the official accounts, and also way more active and engaging. If I only relied on official content to get “hyped” or whatever I probably wouldn’t - which would be bad for the band.

Yes, they definetely help the band on social media in a way. Also, creating a community on their own like forum sites. And I was following some fan pages when I before started mine, just because I felt more engaging with their different content and was able to share different interests. When I started my page, my aim was creating a historical timeline for the band like keeping a journal. I was sharing the important things happened at that day in GD history, a concert footage, TV apperance, album release etc. The most important reason for me actually was reaching some of the fans from my country, I found out they are not really much, 3 people or something lol But it was great cause they got surprised when they found out that we are from same country. And I was a big fan of GD, really rare thing! 

Of course some of them creating authentic content by sharing their covers, or poems (I’m not a really fan of lol) , art work, I shared several video edits, whatever. For example, I was planning to share some of my small art projects related to Green Day. I was pretty excited about it but now it’s gone

[Thatsername]

Oh wow this really sucks. Every time you think things can't get any worse these days 😞

[Fuzz]

6 hours ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said:

A lot of accounts don't give credit though. They just take anything they want, get really shitty when you ask them to credit/delete and sometimes block

It also doesn’t really matter. Whether places give credit or not doesn’t mean much legally. Either accounts have permission to post the photos or they don’t. 
 

that said, the problem I have with it is that all fandoms on the Internet thrive on sharing everything they can about a musician or celebrity. That’s been the culture online since the internet was founded. 
 

the way I see it, Green Day (or any musician/celebrity) hire photographers to take thier photo for publicity. Magazines hire photographers to take photos of these musicians for publicity of their publication.  Photographers deserve to be paid for their work. And their wishes should be respected.  But for overzealous law firms to go after fan bases for money just because they can is really shitty and it hurts the very people these fan accounts are promoting. There needs to be some nuance and understanding. The fact that people can go after and delete small communities is harmful. Copyright law hasn’t kept up with the speed and changes to the way people use the internet and it should be more fair for everyone. Not just the companies who have found a way to monetize what I’d consider legal harassment. 

[Minority103]

7 hours ago, Rumpelstiltskin2000 said:

I've been thinking about this and really is Instagram the place for fan sites? Isn't it a place for people to post original photos/content or news? 

Maybe that's an unpopular opinion but is it really fair for people to be posting other people's work? I mean there's a repost option if you like something but people don't use it 

Let me say: Yes. 
With our page not only we keep our fan informed but we are a real community, we have such a schedule of the week like, song of the day, cover of the day where we share our fans videos playing gd songs, “new music Friday” where we share Indipendent music from our fans, we do games and contest (the last one was a super quiz for winning some Oakland coffee stuff), memes, we share art, we have a Discord channel for gaming and play all together, we even do live events with Green Day Cover bands and independent artists, and so on! And all of this was possible only through Instagram, is the more accessible platform, everyone has it, and let’s say it, you have the possibility to interact with the band, which is amazing. 
This is why I am angry, we work for building a special community, not for stealing content or pictures. Don’t want me to post copyrighted things? Just tell me, give me time to delete something but don’t delete a life’s work and the special places for fans. 

[purplebenny]

15 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

One thought — someone pointed out that HCTS was released independently by Green Day (you can see that on iTunes and Spotify where it used to say copyright Reprise). If this is an indication that Green Day have now finally left Warner, could Warner be coming down on all their fangroups for infringement? Is this some kind of retaliation or power move?  The timing is suspicious 

The promo and all is Warner, they haven’t left at all

[Doggins]

16 hours ago, pacejunkie punk said:

One thought — someone pointed out that HCTS was released independently by Green Day (you can see that on iTunes and Spotify where it used to say copyright Reprise). If this is an indication that Green Day have now finally left Warner, could Warner be coming down on all their fangroups for infringement? Is this some kind of retaliation or power move?  The timing is suspicious 

I think you're onto something, though it wouldn't be Reprise if they're no longer under their management... likely whoever the publisher is now.. 

 

Edit: Oops! I was 4 pages behind!

[Beyza]

One thing I’ve been wondering that apperantly the same thing happened for some other fandoms and artists’ fan pages. I still don’t get an explanation for the disablement of my account from Instagram but I’m guessing that it will be about impersonating since the pages had “greenday” on their usarname has affected in same way. However, there are other fan accounts for individual public figures, like bunch of Billie Joe Armstrong fan pages or Mike Dirnt fan page etc. All their posts include these people’s indivudual pictures but I guess their account has not affected for impersonating yet. Some other indivudial artists’ fan pages probably affected too but not all of them. So, it does not seem really rational and fair to me what Instagram/Facebook is doing right now for this situation. I’m not saying all of the artists’ fan pages should be removed but if some of the pages got removed permanently at the end while the other pages can keep sharing their fan content freely, it won’t be fair for everyone. 

[Minority103]

31 minutes ago, Beyza said:

One thing I’ve been wondering that apperantly the same thing happened for some other fandoms and artists’ fan pages. I still don’t get an explanation for the disablement of my account from Instagram but I’m guessing that it will be about impersonating since the pages had “greenday” on their usarname has affected in same way. However, there are other fan accounts for individual public figures, like bunch of Billie Joe Armstrong fan pages or Mike Dirnt fan page etc. All their posts include these people’s indivudual pictures but I guess their account has not affected for impersonating yet. Some other indivudial artists’ fan pages probably affected too but not all of them. So, it does not seem really rational and fair to me what Instagram/Facebook is doing right now for this situation. I’m not saying all of the artists’ fan pages should be removed but if some of the pages got removed permanently at the end while the other pages can keep sharing their fan content freely, it won’t be fair for everyone. 

So we just need to remove “Green Day” on the nik and the photo/videos with copy on them unless they are edit, as far as I read... 

Greenday_ita evolves in gd_ita, like a Pokémon. 

[Beyza]

32 minutes ago, Minority103 said:

So we just need to remove “Green Day” on the nik and the photo/videos with copy on them unless they are edit, as far as I read... 

Greenday_ita evolves in gd_ita, like a Pokémon. 

Lol I don’t know if it will work like that, I don’t think so but appearantly not all of the pages have greenday on their username has been disabled yet. So, it’s not something that includes every one right now (I don’t know the majority) but I’m not sure how the algorithm of Instagram has chosen the accounts to disable then.

[nopride84]

guess we better find a new place before they come for the forum. time to download everything now before too late and theres no back ups anywhere or anywhere to get files 

[IcyMoffatt]

Well, I did some research this morning to find out why Instagram is creating this mess. I think I might have found the answer: article 13. The European Union voted 2 years ago the reinforcement of article 13 which command all social medias to delete every accounts posting about celebrities/video games/brands/and more who were posting online without asking permission to those said celebrities/video games/brands... And that can includes the poster on the wall behind you on the pic/video or the t-shirt with a brand printed on it that you're wearing in the pic/video. It can goes as far as this. This situation has been going on for months. For example, Harry Potter fan accounts have been the target of Instagram last fall. And the reason they got for being taken down was they were trying to impersonate HP.

European Union gave 2 years for social medias to apply article 13.  And we're near the end of the 2 years limit right now.

[Guest]

Following up on what @IcyMoffatt said above, there are new laws in the U.S. too. I just happened to see something about it on the news this weekend. One of the covid relief acts actually created a small claims division in U.S. copyright court. Before that most of the time people who wanted to file claims if there images were being used without permission on the Internet had to go through a very lengthy and expensive process. This makes it easier and cheaper. The intent is supposed to be to go after people who are using images for commercial purposes without paying (like a business stealing a photographer's pics and using them for advertising without paying a license fee), not to go after an average person sharing a meme on the Internet, but I have a feeling this may be part of what is going on.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

Just now, BillieMyLove said:

Following up on what @IcyMoffatt said above, there are new laws in the U.S. too. I just happened to see something about it on the news this weekend. One of the covid relief acts actually created a small claims division in U.S. copyright court. Before that most of the time people who wanted to file claims if there images were being used without permission on the Internet had to go through a very lengthy and expensive process. This makes it easier and cheaper. The intent is supposed to be to go after people who are using images for commercial purposes without paying (like a business stealing a photographer's pics and using them for advertising without paying a license fee), not to go after an average person sharing a meme on the Internet, but I have a feeling this may be part of what is going on.

Yeah, because a European law couldn’t really explain accounts hosted on social media based in the USA, by people in other countries, about a band in the USA, right?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

Yeah, because a European law couldn’t really explain accounts hosted on social media based in the USA, by people in other countries, about a band in the USA, right?

I don't follow. I didn't say @IcyMoffatt was wrong. I think she is right. These platforms are global even if they are hosted in the U.S, so they have to account for all these laws. I think between the EU laws and the U.S. laws we now have an unintended mess on our hands.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

3 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said:

I don't follow. I didn't say @IcyMoffatt was wrong. I think she is right. These platforms are global even if they are hosted in the U.S, so they have to account for all these laws. I think between the EU laws and the U.S. laws we now have an unintended mess on our hands.

What I’m saying is if the accounts and posts in question have nothing to do with Europe I don’t see how a European law would really apply or affect them. But a change in US law might make a little more sense.

However, someone still has to be the one filing these claims, right? It’s not like Facebook/Instagram would automatically be filing them on their behalf. It’s really confusing, especially because the band isn’t involved, according to Bill. Maybe it’s Facebook/Instagram overreacting preemptively to the change to avoid claims? Who knows. 

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

6 hours ago, Minority103 said:

Just tell me, give me time to delete something

But most sites won't. They become quickly verbally abusive, refuse and block. Not one of them has ever asked if they can use an original photo or scan of mine 

Of course it goes without saying that all original content etc should be completely allowed but most fansites are just recycling (obviously there are exceptions) and online communities should be able to exist and are important but I think they just need to be more aware of possible copyright infringements

Sorry this is probably a very unpopular opinion. 

@Fuzz  could this end up being a problem for the picture, IG and Twitter threads? Even us posting scans and articles? 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

What I’m saying is if the accounts and posts in question have nothing to do with Europe I don’t see how a European law would really apply or affect them. But a change in US law might make a little more sense.

However, someone still has to be the one filing these claims, right? It’s not like Facebook/Instagram would automatically be filing them on their behalf. It’s really confusing, especially because the band isn’t involved, according to Bill. Maybe it’s Facebook/Instagram overreacting preemptively to the change to avoid claims? Who knows. 

Well, the fact that this has nothing to do with Green Day themselves or with Warner might be why the EU laws would apply. For example, a page called "Green Day Italy" would, I assume, be hosted in Italy--an EU member nation. 

I can't speak for the EU law, but as far as the U.S. law, yes, a content creator such as a photographer would need to file a suit against whoever is using their work without attribution or payment. The social media platform has nothing to do with it really. So yes, I am confused too LOL. Right now social media platforms are immune from prosecution or liability over what users posts under a 1996 law, but there is a push to change that because of all the fake news/conspiracy theories/threats and harassment now being posted on these platforms. So maybe Instagram is worried about that.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

6 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said:

Well, the fact that this has nothing to do with Green Day themselves or with Warner might be why the EU laws would apply. For example, a page called "Green Day Italy" would, I assume, be hosted in Italy--an EU member nation. 

I can't speak for the EU law, but as far as the U.S. law, yes, a content creator such as a photographer would need to file a suit against whoever is using their work without attribution or payment. The social media platform has nothing to do with it really. So yes, I am confused too LOL. Right now social media platforms are immune from prosecution or liability over what users posts under a 1996 law, but there is a push to change that because of all the fake news/conspiracy theories/threats and harassment now being posted on these platforms. So maybe Instagram is worried about that.

But what about Green Day Brazil, for example? Not Europe, not US. Seems to be more widespread than the implementation of laws. I guess they could just be trying to get ahead of it without even determining who is who or where they’re located or what they’re doing.

I hate Facebook so much. It’s done so much more harm than good. Wish it and everything associated with it would burst into flames. (Whoops, guess I’m on a list now.)

[Minority103]

38 minutes ago, IcyMoffatt said:

the reinforcement of article 13 which command all social medias to delete every accounts posting about celebrities/video games/brands/and more who were posting online without asking permission to those said celebrities/video games/brands... 

What if the band/celebrity/brand gives permission?