New Song: "Here Comes the Shock"

[Guest]

1 hour ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I’m sure it’s just fear and then a mediocre song drops and it validates that fear, etc.  One amazing song and the fear would be alleviated 

Agreed. As you noted, the Longshot and Network stuff prove they can still write some great stuff. And I am sure they have plenty to say about the world right now LOL. I think we will get some great stuff when they do their next album.  

 

[Beerjeezus]

I get this fear and can see where it comes from, because I agree that Green Day's recent output is... let's say... different , but at this point in their career, it's fine. As long as they're doing this, I'm going to listen and sometimes I'll like what they create and sometimes I won't, but they're a great band regardless. They don't seem to be interested in creating ambitious projects these days, instead they release music more often and it sounds like stuff they do for fun and if that's their biggest motivation to do things - of course the result is going to be different than when they purposefully aimed big. 

[lukastjimmy]

Ok so idk who to quote but this is my take. The only thing that concerns me is their health and their mindset regarding being on top of the world or whatever. During the revrad era they seemed healthier in pretty much every sense. About the lack of "great songs. I'm not concerned or mad, just disappointed in the sense that I know their potential and i know nobody can do what they do and well it seems like they're wasting their "good years" with silly music. I used to look to blink and feel they were so childish by wanting to appeal to the youth (being in their 40s and talking about ditching school and stuff). Nowadays it seems that GD is doing the same. But at the same time releasing more meaningful stuff with side projects(money money 2 & the longshot) and act as if they're afraid of actual musical evolution with their name on it (the network-foxboro).

 My rant here is more directed towards fans that won't take the people concerned about their health seriously and  won't accept their music is on decline and we're just haters for pointing it out, again I know the gd fanbase is so toxic and this is not coming from that place. And they make up excuses for them like "no, that song is for nfl and they just don't care" or something like there's this conspiracy theory that GD is sabotaging itself because they hate warner and stuff. The reality points otherwise, GD is probably one of a few huge bands that have a healthy relationship with it's label and with the media (kerrang, mtv, etc). Also is fair to point out that a fan made album felt better to us than the actual new album by them, and that speaks for itself. I, as a fan of almost 20 years know they can be better and you do too.

[Hermione]

3 hours ago, lukastjimmy said:

I used to look to blink and feel they were so childish by wanting to appeal to the youth (being in their 40s and talking about ditching school and stuff). Nowadays it seems that GD is doing the same.

I'm not seeing how that's the case though. Aside from a few songs that are very clearly about looking back on the past rather than acting as if they're teenagers now (eg I Was a Teenage Teenager, or Outlaws on Rev Rad) they don't write about teenage stuff. Billie writes from the perspective of a middle aged musician and about the stuff going on in the world. Also their current sound really isn't particularly like what's in the charts or what most teenagers listen to.

 

3 hours ago, lukastjimmy said:

I, as a fan of almost 20 years know they can be better and you do too.

I don't get why people can't ever just say they don't like a new album/don't think it's good? You not liking some songs doesn't mean the band is doomed, doesn't mean they didn't try/don't care, and most of all doesn't mean that other people must feel the same way as you or aren't being honest about liking it. 

Also like, the Network album is the album of the year, fabulous. Don't really get why anyone cares if it's called The Network or Green Day, it's still great stuff by them made this year. 

[Beerjeezus]

4 hours ago, lukastjimmy said:

Ok so idk who to quote but this is my take. The only thing that concerns me is their health and their mindset regarding being on top of the world or whatever. During the revrad era they seemed healthier in pretty much every sense. About the lack of "great songs. I'm not concerned or mad, just disappointed in the sense that I know their potential and i know nobody can do what they do and well it seems like they're wasting their "good years" with silly music. I used to look to blink and feel they were so childish by wanting to appeal to the youth (being in their 40s and talking about ditching school and stuff). Nowadays it seems that GD is doing the same. But at the same time releasing more meaningful stuff with side projects(money money 2 & the longshot) and act as if they're afraid of actual musical evolution with their name on it (the network-foxboro).

 My rant here is more directed towards fans that won't take the people concerned about their health seriously and  won't accept their music is on decline and we're just haters for pointing it out, again I know the gd fanbase is so toxic and this is not coming from that place. And they make up excuses for them like "no, that song is for nfl and they just don't care" or something like there's this conspiracy theory that GD is sabotaging itself because they hate warner and stuff. The reality points otherwise, GD is probably one of a few huge bands that have a healthy relationship with it's label and with the media (kerrang, mtv, etc). Also is fair to point out that a fan made album felt better to us than the actual new album by them, and that speaks for itself. I, as a fan of almost 20 years know they can be better and you do too.

I don’t disagree with you completely, in fact, I share some of your concerns about the band not reaching its full potential and I’m not a fan of their post-revrad change at all, even though I wouldn’t call their recent music childish. But I just don’t want to let these concerns tarnish the enjoyment I can get from the music they put out. It’s better to have fun with it rather than sit on gdc complaining how I’d prefer another 21CB.

[michael1989]

5 hours ago, lukastjimmy said:

 My rant here is more directed towards fans that won't take the people concerned about their health seriously

Maybe because we don't think there is any reason to be concerned? Not trying to start an argument, but given no one here knows them personally (that I'm aware of), it's really not something we should speculate about or concern ourselves with.

[Pereprimus]

One bad unfinished song is not a problem, it doesn’t mean the band is over, but with foam i already had this weird feeling that the « GD  brand » is totally a joke for them now. If i listen to the side projects i Must admit that their songs are better end product that the main band recent effort. To me it says Much over the interrest of the band. Of course i Want them to prove me wrong with a fantastic new album  and i hope they’ll do

[Beerjeezus]

Everything since 2019 on has had a Bad Vibe and that’s all I know for sure.

[Bakabanas]

AMYL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NITRATE.

[Clockwise]

I feel like the bad vibes and extreme reactions toward the FOAM era are more a result of a fanbase still traumatized by the Trilogy debacle than anything actually based in reality.

[pacejunkie punk]

13 minutes ago, Clockwise said:

I feel like the bad vibes and extreme reactions toward the FOAM era are more a result of a fanbase still traumatized by the Trilogy debacle than anything actually based in reality.

I don’t know it seems most fans here love the trilogy, unless that love wasn’t there in the beginning. I’d be curious to know if the fans who don’t like FOAM also didn’t like the trilogy. Is there a correlation? Like are those the same fans who prefer GD’s classic rock style or their (pop) punk sound?

[Beerjeezus]

I like both the trilogy and foam, but still think the vibe isn't right. It's hard to pinpoint when exactly it started, obviously I despised Hella Mega since it was announced, so that influenced the way I felt at the start of this era, but I was very excited about FOAM when it came out, plus then the tour never happened so I don't think it's just me feeling salty, because at this point there's no tour to worry about anymore and I still get a bad vibe from this. It's hard to describe, but I think you know what I mean when I say revrad had a really positive vibe. It felt so wholesome, heartwarming idk how you want to call it. The FOAM era doesn't make me feel that at all, even though I wish it didn't change.

[Hermione]

Reaction to the trilogy was quite similar to FOAM. I'd say more people liked it (especially at first) than FOAM, but there was always a significant amount of hate for it, doom mongering and complaining about how they were marketing themselves etc, particularly after Billie's whole rehab thing and the tour being cancelled. Took a long time for feelings towards it to mellow/become a bit more positive on here. I see pretty much same here. People don't like it when they do "party albums" and when negative exterior things happen (then it was Billie's rehab, now it's covid) it intensifies negative feelings about the album/era.

 

15 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

I like both the trilogy and foam, but still think the vibe isn't right. It's hard to pinpoint when exactly it started, obviously I despised Hella Mega since it was announced, so that influenced the way I felt at the start of this era, but I was very excited about FOAM when it came out, plus then the tour never happened so I don't think it's just me feeling salty, because at this point there's no tour to worry about anymore and I still get a bad vibe from this. It's hard to describe, but I think you know what I mean when I say revrad had a really positive vibe. It felt so wholesome, heartwarming idk how you want to call it. The FOAM era doesn't make me feel that at all, even though I wish it didn't change.

I do agree that Rev Rad had a particularly positive/wholesome/heartwarming vibe. I think it's more that it was just a particularly special/positive time then (being the first album after Billie going through rehab and them "coming back") than that there's necessarily anything wrong now though. Definitely think the tour/everything being cancelled has given it a much more negative vibe than it would've had if covid didn't happen and it went ahead.

[Beerjeezus]

11 minutes ago, Hermione said:

I do agree that Rev Rad had a particularly positive/wholesome/heartwarming vibe. I think it's more that it was just a particularly special/positive time then (being the first album after Billie going through rehab and them "coming back") than that there's necessarily anything wrong now though. Definitely think the tour/everything being cancelled has given it a much more negative vibe than it would've had if covid didn't happen and it went ahead.

I would agree, if it wasn't for the fact that I actually began enjoying FOAM a lot more since covid hit. No more weird band appearances and no more hella mega.

[pacejunkie punk]

16 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

I like both the trilogy and foam, but still think the vibe isn't right. It's hard to pinpoint when exactly it started, obviously I despised Hella Mega since it was announced, so that influenced the way I felt at the start of this era, but I was very excited about FOAM when it came out, plus then the tour never happened so I don't think it's just me feeling salty, because at this point there's no tour to worry about anymore and I still get a bad vibe from this. It's hard to describe, but I think you know what I mean when I say revrad had a really positive vibe. It felt so wholesome, heartwarming idk how you want to call it. The FOAM era doesn't make me feel that at all, even though I wish it didn't change.

 

11 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Reaction to the trilogy was quite similar to FOAM. I'd say more people liked it (especially at first) than FOAM, but there was always a significant amount of hate for it, doom mongering and complaining about how they were marketing themselves etc, particularly after Billie's whole rehab thing and the tour being cancelled. Took a long time for feelings towards it to mellow/become a bit more positive on here. I see pretty much same here. People don't like it when they do "party albums" and when negative exterior things happen (then it was Billie's rehab, now it's covid) it intensifies negative feelings about the album/era.

 

I do agree that Rev Rad had a particularly positive/wholesome/heartwarming vibe. I think it's more that it was just a particularly special/positive time then (being the first album after Billie going through rehab and them "coming back") than that there's necessarily anything wrong now though. Definitely think the tour/everything being cancelled has given it a much more negative vibe than it probably would've had if covid didn't happen and it went ahead.

Maybe it was a bit of expectations too. Even without the whole MOOTIK scandal, I remember this feeling of, it’s been over three years since RevRad, it was an amazing happy tour they’re feeling grateful and fired up and anxious to make more music they say, The Coverups was fun, The Longshot was amazing but if those songs didn’t make the Green Day cut they must really be saving something special for a Green Day release, first album under new management, new ambitions, etc. etc. and then.... 

a scribbled album cover, 10 songs, 26 total minutes of music.  Every time I played it it was just over so fast. That was it? I think that was my first impression I mean I liked what I was hearing mostly but... that was it?

[alienlifeform]

What bothers me is Green Day is slowing down on touring. The band only did 230 shows in the last ten years, an average of 23 shows a year. The only active years of them in the last decade were 2013 and 2017, all the other years they just played a bunch os shows. For a band that produces so much, they tour just a little...

They are getting old, the future we'll see them live even less, probably. We have to enjoy while we still have the chance 

[Beerjeezus]

3 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Maybe it was a bit of expectations too. Even without the whole MOOTIK scandal, I remember this feeling of, it’s been over three years since RevRad, it was an amazing happy tour they’re feeling grateful and fired up and anxious to make more music they say, The Coverups was fun, The Longshot was amazing but if those songs didn’t make the Green Day cut they must really be saving something special for a Green Day release, first album under new management, new ambitions, etc. etc. and then.... 

a scribbled album cover, 10 songs, 26 total minutes of music.  Every time I played it it was just over so fast. That was it? I think that was my first impression I mean I liked what I was hearing mostly but... that was it?

I don't know??? Maybe it's all MOOTIK's fault because we all projected our hopes into it and after that anything that would come out had to be a disappointment, but still I was extremely excited when FOAM came out. I'm pretty sure there are some old posts where I'm calling it my new favorite Green Day album/on par with American Idiot (almost ) and stuff like that.

3 minutes ago, Alf said:

What bothers me is Green Day is slowing down on touring. The band only did 230 shows in the last ten years, an average of 23 shows a year. The only active years of them in the last decade were 2013 and 2017, all the other years they just played a bunch os shows. For a banda that produces so much, they tour just a little...

They are getting old, the furture we'll see them live even less, probably. We have to enjoy while we still have the chance 

 

They've either been touring as green day or with side projects almost every year the past decade, with the exception of 2020 and the years when someone got ill.

2010 - 21cb tour

2011 - AI musical, club shows

2012 - short tour, rehab

2013 - shows

2014 - 2015 - cancer

2016 - revrad tour

2017 - revrad tour

2018 - longshot tour, coverups

2019 - a bunch of longshot and coveups dates, but otherwise wtf guys you have an album coming out why don't you play shows??????

2020 - covid

[Clockwise]

34 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Reaction to the trilogy was quite similar to FOAM. I'd say more people liked it (especially at first) than FOAM, but there was always a significant amount of hate for it, doom mongering and complaining about how they were marketing themselves etc, particularly after Billie's whole rehab thing and the tour being cancelled. Took a long time for feelings towards it to mellow/become a bit more positive on here. I see pretty much same here. People don't like it when they do "party albums" and when negative exterior things happen (then it was Billie's rehab, now it's covid) it intensifies negative feelings about the album/era.

Yeah this is exactly what I meant. Similarly I think people will look back on FOAM more fondly in the years to come.

[pacejunkie punk]

7 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

I don't know??? Maybe it's all MOOTIK's fault because we all projected our hopes into it and after that anything that would come out had to be a disappointment, but still I was extremely excited when FOAM came out. I'm pretty sure there are some old posts where I'm calling it my new favorite Green Day album/on par with American Idiot (almost ) and stuff like that.

They've either been touring as green day or with side projects almost every year the past decade, with the exception of 2020 and the years when someone got ill.

2010 - 21cb tour

2011 - AI musical, club shows

2012 - short tour, rehab

2013 - shows

2014 - 2015 - cancer

2016 - revrad tour

2017 - revrad tour

2018 - longshot tour, coverups

2019 - a bunch of longshot and coveups dates, but otherwise wtf guys you have an album coming out why don't you play shows??????

2020 - covid

I do remember laughing out loud to Stab You in the Heart and dancing to MMOTR it was so much fun. It was a great first listen but even then it felt too short. Every time I replay it it feels shorter so instead of growing on me it’s kind of shrunk?

2012 wasn’t really a short tour it was a several months long tour plus promotion that went at a wicked pace spanning several continents. 

2014 they actually did play shows both as Green Day (Australia Soundwave) and Foxboro Hot Tubs (SXSW). I think 2015 was their only true actual year off and even then they played at this small little thing called their Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony. Even their breaks are never really breaks. 

2019 they did play shows in LA and Spain as well as promotion (in addition to Longshot and Coverups)

Yeah sorry @Alf to say they only “toured” in 2013 and 2017 over the last decade is really selling short how hard these guys work. (And as if all the time spent writing, rehearsing and recording isn’t work too)

[Freezing Melons]

I think the thing that bugs me about the song are the verses. They are just - so boring, and don't match the chorus at all.

(okay im done)

...

(for now)

[Little Boy Named Booze]

I'm gonna say it. Popper Punk > HCTS

[pacejunkie punk]

19 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

I'm gonna say it. Popper Punk > HCTS

Well of course 😉

[Rumpelstiltskin2000]

Yeah I absolutely loved the Trilogy when it came out but remember some hate/complaints for it on here. I did actually really, really, really overplay it and so these days it probably remains my least listened to GD. I loved RevRad. In the beginning I was hesita t about FOAM but now it's just another GD album I listen to and whilst, not their best, I still like it. I love the new Network. HCTS is OK and I'm not really thinking anything about it or coming to any conclusions. 

I do wonder if there is a difference though because back in the Trilogy era we know GD used to practice together every day but I don't know they do any more these days

[jengd]

I like FOA, I don’t think it’s their deepest but it’s fun and I think part of the weird feeling around it was the massive gap between releasing the first stuff and the tour, and then of course COVID hit.  I still don’t understand why on earth, especially in this day and age of shortened attention spans, would you release the first single in early September and the album in February for gods sake! Madness.

[pacejunkie punk]

9 minutes ago, jengd said:

I like FOA, I don’t think it’s their deepest but it’s fun and I think part of the weird feeling around it was the massive gap between releasing the first stuff and the tour, and then of course COVID hit.  I still don’t understand why on earth, especially in this day and age of shortened attention spans, would you release the first single in early September and the album in February for gods sake! Madness.

Simple manufacturing. It takes five months to press vinyl. Releasing it only to stream (which earns nothing) or months ahead of physical copies kills your sales.  The album only did as well as it did because they bundled it with concert ticket codes.