New Song: "Here Comes the Shock"

[Gwen Stacy]

25 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

 

I'm not crazy about the first Network album either tbf but the new one just has way too much filler and seems likes there's only about 6 or 7 tracks that I can understand why they exist and why people like them. Most of the tracks I see no justification for their existence. And even a lot of the better tracks aren't tracks that I see myself coming back to much at all

EDIT: Maybe that's slightly unfair since the lyrical content here is actually okay for the most part

Well here's the link to my review if you wanna know why I like it. But it just may not be your taste, and that's totally okay!

[lukastjimmy]

8 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

RevRad was actually okay in terms of commercial success. Better than the trilogy and better than FOAMF. Any metrics in which the trilogy performed better than RevRad can be explained by the time period it was released; a period in which album sales were higher & streaming accounted for less. RevRad's streaming numbers are far better than the 3 trilogy albums, partially due to it being released in a time where streaming was more significant and partially due to the fact that the album was received better by fans. The streaming gap is only growing more over time between the two projects

Green Day are not going to get to the success of American Idiot or Dookie again. They probably won't even have another 21st Century Breakdown level commercial success again. But that doesn't mean that the albums are going to be poorly received by critics and fans. I'm optimistic that the band still has a lot of great songs and albums to release.

I don't think the performance of this one song is an indicator of where they're heading. It wasn't really promoted, it's not an album single. It's basically like the Xmas Time of the Year track of this era and we all know that track wasn't anything special either. Just something small between albums to keep some people happy.

not really. No one outside the fanbase cared for them since 21st and it's a fact. A sad one but it's a fact. They gave awesome shows (saw them 3 times the revrad tour) but nobody cared. "old " Rock bands that are doing ok are Muse, The Killers, Foo Fighters, compare the numbers, it's notable at least how much their popularity decreased. I'll repeat again in case i was misunderstood.  I don't care about their commercial success but it's so obvious they do and are so frustrated about it (specially BIllie). It reminds me  a lot of Rivers Cuomo circa 2009. When Rivers stopped caring about it, he made better music, the same would apply to GD i bet..

8 hours ago, Virginia Lot Lizard said:

The evolution of Green Day is fantastic and I am grateful for it. They are young and awesome and capable of so much and so much more. I applaud them for taking risks and leaving their peers in the dust. People the same age as them feel like geezers. Green Day def drank from the fountain of youth and I love the risks they take even if it pisses of their “old” fans. I feel like anyone who doesn’t want them to live life and change and evolve would basically like them to live in tombs or museums for amusement. 
 

I am glad they take risks and evolve and try new things. It shows they aren’t dinosaurs. I want them to live life and ultimately even fail sometimes. So what? It’s great.

you're not getting it. They are not "taking risks"... they are not "evolving" and they do feel like geezers nowadays. They used to be everything you said but like a decade ago. I'm not pissed at them, i'm dissapointed. You think i'm one of those guys who just likes dookie or AI? lol i actually enjoy the trilogy and can listen to the 3 full albums. It's ok to like these songs but don't call this evolution, is as simple as it gets, it's like they're not even trying. Look at bands like Muse and Arctic Monkeys, they are trying shit, evolving and whatever. GD feels more in synthony with U2 or something like that. At least they're not like Coldplay or Maroon 5 that are completely sell outs i guess. And their "live game" is so strong but don't try to convince us these songs are so great and we don't have taste or something like that cuz it's the other way around. It's ok to criticize the band you love and in this case neccesary because again.. they're not doing anything wrong, they're just lazy and mediocre at best..

9 hours ago, Clockwise said:

As far as I'm concerned, RevRad and FOAM both have one song that I feel was crafted for radio, Still Breathing and Oh Yeah, respectively. I think they're still pushed to create hits with crossover appeal, but that's no problem because they're good at it and the songs still have heart. Here Comes The Shock, on the other hand, doesn't feel like it would fit anywhere on modern radio. 

Still breathing is a great song and oh yeah was ok.. but neither of them went viral or something like that. Again, just ask anyone outside of the fanbase and wouldn't even know GD  is active. 

8 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

They can release anything they want from now on and that's great!
It would just be more great if the song were good.

i can't like this comment more. So true. Some fans here seem to be just like everything they do even if it's shit and i'm not a hater as you might think. Hell i traveled the whole world to see them and would do it again (if not for covid) . I just want them to be better because i know they can. Here comes the shark could have been written and performed by any punk band. GD always brought something extra to the table. Think of it like this... When you hear that song, do you have goosebumps? do you think any new fan can come from that song? Is it at the same height like boulevard of broken dreams , jesus of suburbia, forever now, etc? 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Gwen Stacy said:

This is going to sound bitchy but it’s genuinely not. What meaning/message are you picking up on? Because I’m reading the lyrics while listening to it again and I still can’t pinpoint the subject matter. 

There is a general message of protest, of being fed up with a situation and finally raising your voice and refusing to take it anymore. Now the list of things that are protestable in the world right now is nearly infinite, so this could be about any number of things. Some people have suggested it references BLM, while others say it is about their beef with Warner. I think it is probably all of the above. I think it was left open to interpretation intentionally so that the listener could pick their own cause. Most great art is left open to interpretation for the viewer/listener/reader (not calling this one of the world's great artistic achievements LOL, but you get my point). 

[Little Boy Named Booze]

31 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said:

There is a general message of protest, of being fed up with a situation and finally raising your voice and refusing to take it anymore. Now the list of things that are protestable in the world right now is nearly infinite, so this could be about any number of things. Some people have suggested it references BLM, while others say it is about their beef with Warner. I think it is probably all of the above. I think it was left open to interpretation intentionally so that the listener could pick their own cause. Most great art is left open to interpretation for the viewer/listener/reader (not calling this one of the world's great artistic achievements LOL, but you get my point). 

It's nothing like that. Stop trying to find something deep. Not every song have a big meaning.

[lukastjimmy]

18 minutes ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

It's nothing like that. Stop trying to find something deep. Not every song have a big meaning.

I mean they could be right and a song can have a meaning for each person. It doesn't have to be just the intention of the one that made it. Saying this.. it doesn't make the song better though. It's just meh. If you really want to find a band that makes protests chants and stuff and way better well.. that's not GD.

[greendepent]

It makes me laugh that people are so concerned about numbers, sales and popularity. Green Day themselves don't even care about that stuff. This is not a beauty contest, is about what this music do to you. Is ok of you don't like it or if you find it boring or bland. The thing is feeling something.

Oh, this thing looks a BJ's rant on letterbomb THIS IS NOT A PARTY, THIS IS A CELEBRATION

 

[lukastjimmy]

10 minutes ago, greendepent said:

It makes me laugh that people are so concerned about numbers, sales and popularity. Green Day themselves don't even care about that stuff. This is not a beauty contest, is about what this music do to you. Is ok of you don't like it or if you find it boring or bland. The thing is feeling something.

Oh, this thing looks a BJ's rant on letterbomb THIS IS NOT A PARTY, THIS IS A CELEBRATION

 

lol wtf? if you think GD doesn't care you're blind. Why did they go to Crush then? Of course they care. And as i said before.. i don't. I'm concerned about them actually. They are doing coke or they consider coke cool. Both things are so wrong, they're either immature or worse, drug addicts. I hate when fans are so blind are not critical at all.. (and this is coming from a big fan, again, i traveled the world to see them. Seen them 4 times in 3 different countries, 2 continents so don't tell me i'm not a fan or anything like that). GD used to be a band akin to The Who. Now they're like a U2 or something like that, still great with a legacy but currently making mediocre music. 

[pacejunkie punk]

17 minutes ago, lukastjimmy said:

lol wtf? if you think GD doesn't care you're blind. Why did they go to Crush then? Of course they care. And as i said before.. i don't. I'm concerned about them actually. They are doing coke or they consider coke cool. Both things are so wrong, they're either immature or worse, drug addicts. I hate when fans are so blind are not critical at all.. (and this is coming from a big fan, again, i traveled the world to see them. Seen them 4 times in 3 different countries, 2 continents so don't tell me i'm not a fan or anything like that). GD used to be a band akin to The Who. Now they're like a U2 or something like that, still great with a legacy but currently making mediocre music. 

I get where you're coming from and I share your concerns but I have faith that they're not done making great music.  I think their creative prime and peak was 21CB but that doesn't mean they didn't do phenomenal things after.  Let's see what their next major release brings.

[Freezing Melons]

Green Day is still my favourite band - I wear that badge proudly.

But I tell everyone this song blows. The Monday after this song came out and people at work asked how my weekend was, I said it was fine, but the new Green Day song sucked so, how fine could it have really been.

I think my fav comment i say on instagram was "But you guys are my favourite band...!" and I totally feel that aha.

Still going to see them when they're back in town, still will listen and probably buy whatever project they put out next. But honestly, if they just released a 7 inch of this tune, i'd skip for sure.

[Christian's Inferno!]

10 hours ago, lukastjimmy said:

not really. No one outside the fanbase cared for them since 21st and it's a fact. A sad one but it's a fact. They gave awesome shows (saw them 3 times the revrad tour) but nobody cared. "old " Rock bands that are doing ok are Muse, The Killers, Foo Fighters, compare the numbers, it's notable at least how much their popularity decreased. I'll repeat again in case i was misunderstood.  I don't care about their commercial success but it's so obvious they do and are so frustrated about it (specially BIllie). It reminds me  a lot of Rivers Cuomo circa 2009. When Rivers stopped caring about it, he made better music, the same would apply to GD i bet..

you're not getting it. They are not "taking risks"... they are not "evolving" and they do feel like geezers nowadays. They used to be everything you said but like a decade ago. I'm not pissed at them, i'm dissapointed. You think i'm one of those guys who just likes dookie or AI? lol i actually enjoy the trilogy and can listen to the 3 full albums. It's ok to like these songs but don't call this evolution, is as simple as it gets, it's like they're not even trying. Look at bands like Muse and Arctic Monkeys, they are trying shit, evolving and whatever. GD feels more in synthony with U2 or something like that. At least they're not like Coldplay or Maroon 5 that are completely sell outs i guess. And their "live game" is so strong but don't try to convince us these songs are so great and we don't have taste or something like that cuz it's the other way around. It's ok to criticize the band you love and in this case neccesary because again.. they're not doing anything wrong, they're just lazy and mediocre at best..

Still breathing is a great song and oh yeah was ok.. but neither of them went viral or something like that. Again, just ask anyone outside of the fanbase and wouldn't even know GD  is active. 

i can't like this comment more. So true. Some fans here seem to be just like everything they do even if it's shit and i'm not a hater as you might think. Hell i traveled the whole world to see them and would do it again (if not for covid) . I just want them to be better because i know they can. Here comes the shark could have been written and performed by any punk band. GD always brought something extra to the table. Think of it like this... When you hear that song, do you have goosebumps? do you think any new fan can come from that song? Is it at the same height like boulevard of broken dreams , jesus of suburbia, forever now, etc? 

That's the case with most rock bands at this point. Really it's just the fans that give a shit about their music. RevRad was better than the trilogy commercially so it was a sort of bounce back despite the falling status of rock in recent years. The fact is Green Day is never going to be a massive band again so yeah, considering these factors, RevRad was actually pretty good. No one should've expected any better from that album commercially

It seems like you're kind of overreacting here a bit. Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems you were fine with everything Green Day was doing up until FOAM. Why not just wait to see what they do next? I'm sure HCTS is not an indication of what their next album will be. People can like this song if they want. People can hate the song if they want. I've been quite critical of this song but I'm not gonna just say "this is shit. Some fans here just like shit". Nobody's trying to convince others to like the songs. Idk why people think this single song is worth ranting about.

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Little Boy Named Booze said:

It's nothing like that. Stop trying to find something deep. Not every song have a big meaning.

Why can't we just agree to disagree on this? Everyone is going to take something different from it and that's fine. That's how these things work.

[Pereprimus]

2 hours ago, BillieMyLove said:

Why can't we just agree to disagree on this? Everyone is going to take something different from it and that's fine. That's how these things work.

I think they put more interest in any network song than in this one it sounds like an unfinished song, any network song sounds better finished than this one, even the ones i don’t like…. So to me the y don’t care anymore about GD, on a creative way, it’s on l’y a commercial latter nos and recent post of mike on ig goes this Way « guitar is taking over bass » as he is playing  bass in gd and not in side projects

[Hermione]

13 hours ago, lukastjimmy said:

I'm concerned about them actually. They are doing coke or they consider coke cool. Both things are so wrong, they're either immature or worse, drug addicts.

A silly tongue-in-cheek coke sniff sound effect in a song tells you this....ok  

I agree with @BillieMyLove. Just because the lyrics of a song aren't super serious and deep it doesn't mean they have no meaning. Although it's a light hearted song overall it does clearly contain meaning and a message imo. 

 

15 hours ago, lukastjimmy said:

Think of it like this... When you hear that song, do you have goosebumps? do you think any new fan can come from that song? Is it at the same height like boulevard of broken dreams , jesus of suburbia, forever now, etc? 

It's one song that isn't intended to be the most epic and deep song of their career. It's a fun, energetic and catchy one to dance/get pumped up to. Not every Green Day song is a goosebumps-inducing one lol, plenty that don't on every album. Why anyone would expect a random single released between albums for an NHL promotion which is most likely a leftover/b side from the previous album to outdo Jesus of Suburbia is beyond me. 

[jengd]

What @Hermione said, and does anyone really think the NHL want a heart wrenching epic on the horrors of living in a pandemic or the possible deterioration of American democracy for part of their soundtrack? You may hate the song, fine, but remember the context of it.

[Flashback]

21 minutes ago, jengd said:

What @Hermione said, and does anyone really think the NHL want a heart wrenching epic on the horrors of living in a pandemic or the possible deterioration of American democracy for part of their soundtrack? You may hate the song, fine, but remember the context of it.

Thought the same. Like the speculation that Fire Ready Aim would be a song about mass shootings. That's definitely NOT what the NFL wants for their videos 😅

[Hermione]

Also, I don't think it's like they're writing songs tailored to the NHL and forcing a change in sound or censoring themselves or whatever. It'll just be that when picking which songs/song ideas to go with for this project they picked the more upbeat and lighthearted ones that they had in the pile. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Pereprimus said:

I think they put more interest in any network song than in this one it sounds like an unfinished song, any network song sounds better finished than this one, even the ones i don’t like…. So to me the y don’t care anymore about GD, on a creative way, it’s on l’y a commercial latter nos and recent post of mike on ig goes this Way « guitar is taking over bass » as he is playing  bass in gd and not in side projects

I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say here. I don't know how a one-off song for an NHL game means Green Day is over. We had a whole thread about this LOL.

[pacejunkie punk]

40 minutes ago, BillieMyLove said:

I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say here. I don't know how a one-off song for an NHL game means Green Day is over. We had a whole thread about this LOL.

I don’t think anyone here is saying they are over.  Maybe the new topic should be “Are Green Day still as good as they once were?” That seems more accurate to the comments I’m seeing here.

[Hermione]

46 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I don’t think anyone here is saying they are over.  Maybe the new topic should be “Are Green Day still as good as they once were?” That seems more accurate to the comments I’m seeing here.

One song released between albums during a pandemic lockdown just seems like a terrible thing to try and judge that on though

[Beerjeezus]

We’ve had this topic a while ago and we all know how it went

[Christian's Inferno!]

19 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I don’t think anyone here is saying they are over.  Maybe the new topic should be “Are Green Day still as good as they once were?” That seems more accurate to the comments I’m seeing here.

If you mean "Is Green Day's newer music as good as their older music?" then it's a discussion that we've had here like 10,000 times. And if that's what the discussion is, then most people will say no, Green Day's newer albums are not as good as their older ones. But that doesn't mean that the new stuff is shit or that certain people can't or shouldn't prefer albums like FOAMF, RevRad or the trilogy over their older albums

[pacejunkie punk]

18 minutes ago, Hermione said:

One song released between albums during a pandemic lockdown just seems like a terrible thing to try and judge that on though

It’s not just one song they’re basing it on. The people saying that are the same ones that have been unhappy or disappointed since FOAM. Now I’m not saying I agree with it, it’s still just one album and a single to judge where they’ve been at since RevRad, but I think if they didn’t like FOAM and they don’t like this it seems to be playing on some kind of fear or worry that it means their overall ability to make great music is on the decline. All bands have their arcs and their ups and downs for sure, so I think what I’m hearing is more fear than reality but who knows?

To me, Longshot and The Network proves they still can do great things and I think that will carry over into Green Day soon if it hasn’t already.

3 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

If you mean "Is Green Day's newer music as good as their older music?" then it's a discussion that we've had here like 10,000 times. And if that's what the discussion is, then most people will say no, Green Day's newer albums are not as good as their older ones. But that doesn't mean that the new stuff is shit or that certain people can't or shouldn't prefer albums like FOAMF, RevRad or the trilogy over their older albums

No not at all. Everyone’s opinions on individual albums will vary. This is more about speculating whether they are on a downward trajectory from here on out and I say no.

[Christian's Inferno!]

18 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

It’s not just one song they’re basing it on. The people saying that are the same ones that have been unhappy or disappointed since FOAM. Now I’m not saying I agree with it, it’s still just one album and a single to judge where they’ve been at since RevRad, but I think if they didn’t like FOAM and they don’t like this it seems to be playing on some kind of fear or worry that it means their overall ability to make great music is on the decline. All bands have their arcs and their ups and downs for sure, so I think what I’m hearing is more fear than reality but who knows?

To me, Longshot and The Network proves they still can do great things and I think that will carry over into Green Day soon if it hasn’t already.

No not at all. Everyone’s opinions on individual albums will vary. This is more about speculating whether they are on a downward trajectory from here on out and I say no.

Sorry if it seemed like my reply was targeted at you specifically. I'm not saying that you were saying "New GD is shit" or something.

I get the topic of the discussion. It just seems like people are always saying this stuff like "GD is over", "New gd is shit, they should just quit", "Why do people just like shit music" etc. I've had complaints about FOAM and about this new track but it seems like this single track seems to have been the breaking point for some people and idk why. I'm sure this track isn't indicative of what's next to come from Green Day.

[pacejunkie punk]

5 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

Sorry if it seemed like my reply was targeted at you specifically. I'm not saying that you were saying "New GD is shit" or something.

I get the topic of the discussion. It just seems like people are always saying this stuff like "GD is over", "New gd is shit, they should just quit", "Why do people just like shit music" etc. I've had complaints about FOAM and about this new track but it seems like this single track seems to have been the breaking point for some people and idk why. I'm sure this track isn't indicative of what's next to come from Green Day.

I’m sure it’s just fear and then a mediocre song drops and it validates that fear, etc.  One amazing song and the fear would be alleviated 

[jengd]

25 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I’m sure it’s just fear and then a mediocre song drops and it validates that fear, etc.  One amazing song and the fear would be alleviated 

It just occurred to me that in some cases this almost sounds like fear, as in “I love this band, please don’t be done” or a version of.  It’s been said already but all bands have peaks and troughs, there will be always be eras in a long career which appeal to some folk more than others.